As seen, the RGB data can not be trusted (we get different results) so this can't be the right solution (I don't believe they'd use fuzzy logic in solutions). I remember only one alternative solution from the original thread
(it's sooo long), the division.

"The 417/333 are X/Y coordinates for your picture. Try pixels.
The three numbers are RGB values at the point.
What you do with those RGB values I am leaving for you to discover.

Z Out"


Zsandmann said this. If it was a false clue, he would be banned.

I think he would only be banned if he KneW it was wrong.
I think thats what he thinks about the solution but
after mark said I found it he acted like he already knew it
he said something about a site place.

Originally posted by Cutwolf
"The 417/333 are X/Y coordinates for your picture. Try pixels.
The three numbers are RGB values at the point.
What you do with those RGB values I am leaving for you to discover.

Z Out"


Zsandmann said this. If it was a false clue, he would be banned.

I dont know any more than you guys do, those were my thoughts cause H_A asked for the captains to help. I cant win so Im not trying the coordinite stuff around. All I know is the 417/333 will give you three numbers, they will give you the next document and a prize. Try Drjims directory, try hamm5, try ATS, whatever.

It isnt on ID.com unless they hid it in the site somewhere I havent seen, but we would love everyone to come over and participate. If people want to accuse me of posting false clues, Ill quit helping, I am NOT part of the game, nor are any of the captains as far as I know.

Does the document says Members or Numbers i really need to know so i dont waste anymore time.
Zsandman you can still participate cant you? I know you cant win anything but we sure could do with you experienced FTR captains.
I thought i was on to something im just struggling with 417 what sort of way will we know if we have hit the prize? Will it be a form on a website or something saying you have found blah blah blah?
Or would we have to email someone? I just want to know how far we would have to go to find the prize or whatever?

It's supposed to be
three numbers at coordinate 417/333

my guesses:

108 97 131 RGB from picture 1 pixel 417/333

129 108 151 RGB from picture 3 pixel 417/333

1 2 5 from 417/333=1.252252252252

Even if it is Numbers i dont get how these numbers will give us the solution if it is numbers theres a hell of a lot of research going to have to be done.

Originally posted by zsandmann

Originally posted by Cutwolf
"The 417/333 are X/Y coordinates for your picture. Try pixels.
The three numbers are RGB values at the point.
What you do with those RGB values I am leaving for you to discover.

Z Out"


Zsandmann said this. If it was a false clue, he would be banned.

I dont know any more than you guys do, those were my thoughts cause H_A asked for the captains to help. I cant win so Im not trying the coordinite stuff around. All I know is the 417/333 will give you three numbers, they will give you the next document and a prize. Try Drjims directory, try hamm5, try ATS, whatever.

It isnt on ID.com unless they hid it in the site somewhere I havent seen, but we would love everyone to come over and participate. If people want to accuse me of posting false clues, Ill quit helping, I am NOT part of the game, nor are any of the captains as far as I know.

Zsand, don't take offense to what I said. I just thought that you were part of the game (well, at least knew the solution) so I figured if you weren't and gave what sounded like a clue, you would have been banned.

I wasn't saying you gave a false clue, just trying to sort through what's possible and what isn't.

Sorry, didn't mean to offend.

with the previous game, there was a form that had a number, you emailed it to H_A to verify you found the correct thing. Then you got your prize.

And it definetly says numbers

Ahh, well there should be some rules and instructions as to what you do when you find the numbers then as we dont know if we have to look further into it or just email them to H_A we should have explanation to what exactly we have to do theres just no structure.

Maybe when we find the documents, they will include instructions as to what to do next?

As to the RGB values, I've stuck them into every search engine, login form, and 'key hole' I can find. Any ideas where they would go?? I've even tried several diff sets of values. ( have you-all settled on R105 G98 B129 as the correct ones ?)

Another thing (if this is the right thread for this subject?)---What do you guys make of that 'empty box' on the upper left of the bigbend99 site. When I double click it, I see a white vertical bar, and when I select all, I see a couple of gray bars that are 'menu top and bottom'. Where's the rest of the menu ?--Would that be where the links would have been that the author of the site claims to once have had on there.?? Or something else might still be there?

The source code doesn't tell me much, have any of you 'whiz kids' had a go at it??

I poked around on the freewebs site, tried the 'new account' form, and found that they use the 'site name' as the 'user name' ( i.e. bigbend99), at least until the owner changes it. I tried the values as password, with bigbend99 as user name--no luck.

What do you guys make of that 'empty box' on the upper left of the bigbend99 site. When I double click it, I see a white vertical bar, and when I select all, I see a couple of gray bars that are 'menu top and bottom'. Where's the rest of the menu ?--Would that be where the links would have been that the author of the site claims to once have had on there.?? Or something else might still be there?

The source code doesn't tell me much, have any of you 'whiz kids' had a go at it??

I think the empty box is a part of the template they used for the site.

Source code only gives the clue of username "hammurabi" on the counter.

I think that part of the problem is if this has got something to do with the values of RGB at 417/333, then we aren't sure which image we should be concentrating on. I think that I'm right in saying that the values have changed in the two images first posted . I'm getting one result for the original images and another for those same images once they had had the "it's all a game" added to them. I don't know if anyone else has both sets saved so that they can confirm this?
The only image that has remained the same is the one with the explosion that ranger provided. This is probably the image "in the wild" that was referred to in the document?
the only problem is that the values that I've got for that image are
R 129, G108, B149
which will not fit into the pattern of DrJim's files, which is the only place that I can think of where we could possibly use any numbers that we find.
Also , three numbers don't fit the pattern as all of the file names have consisted of 2 sets, unless we are going to find three parts to the next document.

oooohhhhh dear, round and round and round we go, where we stop no one knows

I just wish that someone could give me a clue as to whether I'm at least luke-warm or just freezing.

I'm checking all the numbers u guys find.
Hope u are cheking mine too.
image3 (explosion)
129
108
151

Why is something pulling me towards ham5 site?

I remember ther H_A said that the solution (probably to 417/333) was already mentioned, but we don't know where use it yet.
BB99 site told about a discussion board conversation. Has anyone worked on this? I tried to search with google, but I didn't find anything relevant.
Has somebody tried to find the solution while logged off? Thas was needed in the ring hunt.
Just some ideas that I wanted to bring out again.

I thought of this:

41 qaz - 35 tgb
73 edc - 13 edc
33 edc - 43 edc



Now, rather than looking at the 41, 73, 33 - we look at the 3 numbers across from them. 3 numbers at those coordinates. Yet even with that, I couldn't figure out what to attempt to do with them.

I've been messing with those files for a few days now. Nothing. Tried piecing them together like a jigsaw puzzle and everything. Can't do anything with em.