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Report: Israel Rejects Palestinian Offer for Peace Talks

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Not Again !!

This time Israel has reportedly rejected an offer from the PA.

They say the PA did not ask for settlement freeze as they usually do.

December 28, 2011

Top Israeli officials surprised everyone today when they revealed that the Palestinian Authority had offered new peace talks without their usual precondition of a settlement freeze, and shocked everybody by revealing that Israel had turned down the offer.

No peace talks have taken place between the two sides since Israel cancelled the last settlement freeze in September 2010, and Israeli diplomats often make a big show of insisting that it is only the “Palestinian refusal” preventing such talks.

But officials say that the PA was willing to abandon the freeze demand if Israel made a show of good will by releasing 100 long-held prisoners. The offer came as a Quartet “deadline” nears for restarting talks, and Israeli officials are insisting that they don’t believe the offer was a sincere one.

The PA has denied predicating the talks on the release of the prisoners, saying they had “no preconditions” for such talks. Israeli officials are reportedly outraged that the Palestinians termed the effort aimed at “renewal” of the talks, and are demanding they call it a “resumption of negotiations” for some reason.


Palestinians Spurned on Talks Without Settlement Freeze

Is this report credible ?




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Israel has no interest of peace. And they are always crying peace isn't possible with Palestine. Hypocrites



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010
Israel has no interest of peace. And they are always crying peace isn't possible with Palestine. Hypocrites


It sure looks that way.

This time.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Both sides have proven to be non-committal when it comes to real peace plans.

Everyone forgot about Camp David in 2000 I guess?

But I suppose this will be another one-sided thread like most lately...

These threads would be quite different if people would look at both sides.

It's a shame that both peoples suffer because their leadership doesn't want peace.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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It's hard to say when the original source was an Israeli one, I have seen it mentioned by other sources however. If it is true, it appears Israel may be expressing an ultra-Zionist desire to give up on talks completely. It would also be unfortunate for Palestinian authorities to stop demanding a cease to settlement building.

Perhaps Israel are going to drop the act once and for all and refuse to give any concessions in the face of irrefutable rationality by the Palestinians. If so, it will rest largely the international community's shoulders (particularly the US) to put more pressure on them. Although, we all know that isn't going to happen any time soon.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by buster2010
Israel has no interest of peace. And they are always crying peace isn't possible with Palestine. Hypocrites


To whom would Israel sell their guns in times of peace?

To whom would America donate billions of moneys and weaponry in times of peace?

Peace would mean a social and economic collapse for many nations that survive due to the non-peaceful nature of conflicts.

Who would buy JSF planes if there are no conflicts in this world?

Why would anyone need an AK47 when their bellies are full?

The internet is the only game changer in thousands of years that could help us as a species to get away from conflict through free information exchange. Make use of it, do not delve into (new age) religions, delve into what the bastards at the top of the pyramid are doing and have been doing.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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It's fair to see it from both sides.

Israel is foolish to turn down the mere act of sitting down to start TALKING about the problem over 100 prisoners.

Palestine is foolish to refuse to even sit down and begin TALKING about the problem over a demand for 100 prisoners.


How many may die over there because both sides keep asking for what the other will never concede to...and both sides do it.....just to score political points short of even sitting down?? It tells me both sides REALLY want the fight but neither wants the credit for starting it. .........And so they push and they push until eventually one side finally pushes the other that one step too far and gets the fight BOTH have always wanted here anyway.

Let them fight it out and we can see who to make new trade deals with when it's over.
Thomas Jefferson would approve, I'm sure.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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If you knew whats going on behind the scenes of Fatah and Hamas.....yep, even I would reject any Palestinian offer.

Back to old school PLO......

www.jpost.com...



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:22 PM
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Here is the same news from Haaretz

Pal estinians offer to renew Israel peace talks without settlement freeze, offical says


The Palestinian proposal was reputedly the result of heavy pressure applied by Quartet members – the United States, the European Union, Russian, and the United Nations – on Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas to renew talks before January 26. That date marks the expiration of the three months specified by a Quartet statement in September in which Israel and the Palestinians are to resume talks and present concrete proposals concerning issues such as borders and security arrangements.



The Palestinians turn to make an offer that they know will not be excepted.

In light of Israels response to talks of a unity government comprising Fatah/Hamas ....


News of the new PA proposal came after on Sunday, Netanyahu commented on the recent moves by Fatah and Hamas to set up a unity government, saying that Israel would not negotiate with the Palestinians should such a government be established.

"If Hamas joins the Palestinian government we will not hold negotiations with the Palestinian Authority," said Netanyahu in a speech at a conference for Israeli ambassadors.

lin k



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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When UNESCO accepted Palestine's bid, the US and Israel were annoyed because they wanted the Palestinians to continue with the peace-talk route. Now they've made it clear they're willing to agree to that term, yet it still isn't good enough for Israel. It looks like nothing ever will be, short of the total cleansing of the Palestinian nationality.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
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both sides do it.....just to score political points short of even sitting down??


In my opinion that is the key point. Each side does the same thing.

They are doing no favors for their people.

Their blind supporters do them no favors either. I don't know why people would jump to blindly side with one or the other when it is so clear to anyone with even a basic familiarity of the situation that both sides are at fault here. Over and over again.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by arollingstone
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It looks like nothing ever will be, short of the total cleansing of the Palestinian nationality.


Considering the rejection of Barak's offer in 2000 at Camp David one could say the same thing about the Palestinians regarding Israel.

Again, both sides.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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I thought peace deal's were about Compromise?
Israel= "100? you have got to be kidding me"
Palestine="ok lets make it 80"
Israel=" call it 50 and we have a deal"
Palestine="Ok deal"

If I was God I would come down and bash their heads together, it's like they don't want peace isnt it?
Bloody school yard stuff on a massive scale.
Just sort it out both of you!!!

Sorry for rant but Iam sooo sleepy and cant sleep due to my kidney stone



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:47 PM
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Well, Israel has gone about their business of reclaiming all of what was once their lands. The west bank is just the start, Gaza will be next. It may be the zionists plans, but theyre rebuilding what they once had. In these times there is no such thing as peace, it is only false peace and lasts about as long as each side is done using the other or whichever side is done using the other side first.

I think were just beginning to see the tip of this iceberg, theres a whole lote more under the surface were not seeing yet but i have a feeling it's going to be revealed pretty soon...

The sh*t is about to hit the fan in a major way because there is alot of turmoil and upheaval world wide and the middle east is just the beginning. The world economy collapsing, Russia, China, Iran, Syria, Israel, U.S., U.K., E.U. are all balancing on the edge of a razor and this whole deal could go either way and go there fast.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by UmbraSumus
In light of Israels response to talks of a unity government comprising Fatah/Hamas ....


News of the new PA proposal came after on Sunday, Netanyahu commented on the recent moves by Fatah and Hamas to set up a unity government, saying that Israel would not negotiate with the Palestinians should such a government be established.

"If Hamas joins the Palestinian government we will not hold negotiations with the Palestinian Authority," said Netanyahu in a speech at a conference for Israeli ambassadors.

lin k

Wait...so...before, the Israeli government didn't have any serious peace talks because the Palestinians were divided, and any deal with one party wouldn't be representative of the people of the other party...and now that they are unified (for a time, anyhow), they won't deal with them at all, because they don't like Hamas?

Admittedly, their reason for that is obvious enough- the Hamas charter wants all of what was originally Palestine for all of the Palestinians. HOWEVER, Hamas has since conceded (numerous times) that the issue of Israel's right to exist could be put up for a referendum, and then later even agreed on a settlement that involved 1967 borders (which would implicitly affirm Israel's right to exist).

Not that recognising Israel's right to exist will seriously make any difference. When that is done, Israel will come up with another issue, and stall talks further. Then both sides will become complacent and lethargic with age and mass, then some NEW group will show up espousing violence as a solution, which then Israel will use again as an excuse to stall talks.
The PLO recognised Israel's right to exist in 1993, and Hamas only came (partly) into power in 2006. No significant change for the better has occurred in the Middle East since then.

Heck, aside from the PLO recognising Israel's right to exist, and a couple of ceasefires (which were then subsequently broken, either by one side or another), there hasn't been much improvement in the conflict since it started all those decades ago. Makes a person sad.

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posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 01:34 AM
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just remember if you ever hear the Israelis crying that the Iranians want to wipe them off the map, tell them to take one look at the Palestinians and ask them what they did to them?



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by buster2010
And they are always crying peace isn't possible with Palestine.


Well, when the hamas charter states....

"Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement........There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors"

They also claim the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" is factual....



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 03:06 AM
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We all know who wants Peace and who wants War
Israel is the most hypocrite regime in the world
always crying to be the victim while they are the aggressor and oppressor



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 04:44 AM
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Oh please, I'm all for objectivity but the 'both sides' argument doesn't cut it when it comes to Israel and Palestine. Why talk about something that happened 11 years ago? We're talking about now. If you want to bring up history on this issue, then let's discuss 1947 or the pre-1967 borders.

Fact of the matter is, Palestine are willing to negotiate and even offered the leave the settlement discussion out of it, which they really shouldn't.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Neither of them have an interest in peace. This time it was Israel's turn to reject peace talks. Last time it was "Palestine's". It'll continue back and forth like this for a long time. Israel doesn't want to give up any land to foreigners. "Palestine" doesn't really want to be independent and have to take care of themselves, and stop being the poor, kicked around underdog. This is a long dance, and they keep making up new steps.

/TOA



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