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U.S. Navy won't tolerate 'disruption' through Strait of Hormuz

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posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 01:59 AM
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Iran can lock down the strait easily and has more than enough surface to sea and sam missiles to make a US presence in the strait suicidal for some time. As a sovereign nation Iran has just as much right to do whatever it deems necessary when it comes to technology as any other and it's about time a nation stood up to the relentless warmongering and lies.

Any assault on the strait will have to remain air centric for a very long time to achieve anything and the Russians will be more than happy to test their latest hardware against our birds. If this is enough to provoke Russia and China into direct action they have both already proven they can outsmart and maneuver US forces with subs and could send any battle group to the bottom before we knew they were there.

America as aggressor, judge, jury, and executioner is long overdue a lesson in the errors of criminally insane hubris in the ME.




posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by v1rtu0s0


The rhythm of the war drums continues to increase as we take another step closer to World War III.

I personally think we need to take a few steps back and worry about the homeland instead of policing the world, and enriching defense contractors and politicians in the name of death... i mean "peace."

edition.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Thank you! Exactly!



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 06:17 AM
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So, the US is justified in going after Iran because they block their access to oil.
Then if the logic continues, Japan was justified in bombing Pearl Harbor when the US cut off their access via credit to oil.



Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0


The rhythm of the war drums continues to increase as we take another step closer to World War III.

I personally think we need to take a few steps back and worry about the homeland instead of policing the world, and enriching defense contractors and politicians in the name of death... i mean "peace."





edition.cnn.com
(visit the link for the full news article)


Is it not problematic and a violation of international law when freedom of navigation is denied in international waters? Correct me if i'm wrong but people scream every time the US holds maneuvers / war-games, and we have not gone to the extent Iran has in the straights of Hormuz or the threat to shut it down if sanctions are put in place on Iran.

Im guessing since it deals with a country other than the US its ok?



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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oh my.

Just....wow.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 06:49 AM
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I know there's more oil in the ME regions than North Europe but couldn't Britain survive on European Oil?

The USA needs the oil more than us Brits.... i'm pretty sure we don't need to get involved in this one but i'm assuming we will... considering we do back up the US on everything they do....

hmmmm..... now i'm wondering when one of these Countries are going to say 'thats it.... its time to drop a bomb'.... it may not be a Nuke bomb but it will be a bomb of somekind.

Will it be the spark for all out war in the ME, Asia and Europe? Very Possibly.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 07:58 AM
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The I.D.F killed 9 turks in international waters no one cares,the US and israel make up
laws as they go along.The new world NAZIS are so transparent ,never have so many
wished for the destruction of so few SATANISTS.The internet has exposed all the
evil doers all over the world.All there days are numbered,they will leave earth as they
have done in the past.How can you not repeat history by not remembering,when our
history has been changed and manipulated by these scumbags.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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People didn't care because it was not a violation of international law on the part of Israel. If you spend some time researching classifications a neutral vessel who announces their intention to violate a blockade no longer makes the vessel neutral shipping. They can be boarded and if they fail to stop, can be attacked and sunk for violating the blockade.

If Turkey decides to escort those vessels they are no longer neutral, but part of an armed group also making them legitimate naval targets under International law, a term people like to throw around yet fail to research and apply appropriately.


edit on 29-12-2011 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by DarknessMatters
It's all just the prelude to the symphony of utter destruction that Obama is composing to ensure his re-election in 2012. You know, so riots will erupt here in the US, he declares Martial Law and viola, no one can force Obama off his throne.


Isn't this the same thing that everyone on ATS was saying Bush was doing???




posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 10:56 AM
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Seems like exactly what the navy should be doing... We have jurisdiction over international waters, right? Oh... wait...



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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We don't have jurisdiction over international waters, but we do have everyright to protect our own (and allies and economic partners) international trade routes. Europe, Japan, and even China get alot of oil from that route.

The US Navy can sink the Iranian navy in about 5 minutes. It has a dozen or so destroyers, about double that in frigates, a couple of old Kilo class subs and the rest are motorboats with suicide drivers. The 20mm and 50 cal gunners deckside will have a field day with those.

The biggest problem is all the Silkworm Missile batteries on shore, but I am betting a good chunk of those are already plotted. Those that arent' destroyed by cruise missiles and/or airstrikes and actually launch the CIWS and RAM launchers would take care of. We may have a few ships hit, maybe even a destroyer or two sunk. But this, "Iran will sink the 5th fleet is so far fetched....The only way they come close to that is if Iran fires first. Keeping the strait of Hormuz open has been something they have trained and planned for since the 70's.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Take that back....did some checking, Iran's Navy is based on 3 50 year old destroyers, 5 frigates (about 30 years old) and 3 Corvettes. That's there surface fleet. Besides Minesweepers and Patrol Boats.

Make that 2 minutes to sink.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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Originally posted by SrWingCommander
Take that back....did some checking, Iran's Navy is based on 3 50 year old destroyers, 5 frigates (about 30 years old) and 3 Corvettes. That's there surface fleet. Besides Minesweepers and Patrol Boats.

Make that 2 minutes to sink.


And a minute of that is to load the tubes.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by CaptChaos

In a naval exercise called Millenium Challenge, the Navy's Blue team, representing an unspecified Mideast "rogue regime", using motorcycle couriers and carrier pigeons instead of radios, speedboats and unguided rockets instead of computer guided missiles and GPS guided aerial drones, in simulation, basically sank two entire battle groups in the Persian Gulf, the Navy's Red team, in 30 minutes. The Navy immediately stopped the exercise, regrouped, and changed the rules so that this couldn't happen again. There's no way dumb ragheads could defeat the mighty US Navy! The commander of the Blue team quit immediately in disgust.


You got the colors backwards Red was OpFor & Blue was Allied.
Red launched a preemptive strike that flooded the Surface group with anti-ship missiles. This has been know to be a weakness in carrier battle groups since the Cold War. Heck, you make the argument that we were taught that lesson back in the 1940's.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Leave it to the good ol us of a to have their noses into an area that doesn't even belong to us. The only reason we are threatened by this is because of the oil export coming out of the area. It's okay for us to put sanctions on some countries but when they try and do it to us we don't want to play anymore



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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More of the same....historically.



This is the classical example of the Hegelian Dialectic

Problem

Reaction

Solution...

Throughout history How many times have we seen this before used as a pretext for war ?

The Opium wars began because the Chinese didn't want to accept the British's Narcotics in payment for their trade deficit in Tea with the Chinese....which was to have been legitimately and legally paid in Silver Bullion.

The British wanted to pay in Opium....a very addictive narcotic instead....the Chinese refused.

The British Gunboats were pulled in and the Chinese were defeated...and the Opium was forced onto them....

This is also exactly how the justification to eradicate the Native Americans via war was orchestrated.

The Native Americans tried to play the game diplomatically at first abiding by the treaties presented.

But then the rules were changed and the treaties broken meaning they could no longer live on their own homeland forcing them with no other option than to go to war.

We pretty much know how that turned out....how many Native American's live in your local neighborhood ?


So today's war du Jour is instead of Cowboys and Indians we now have Cowboys and Iranians.

Abide by our rules allowing us to stymie your economy via sanctions or go to war ....

What kind of Options is that ?

It's not intended to be an option....but simply another pretext to war.

More of the same....lets go to war and beat up on someone else to take their stuff simply because we CAN.

Same Old $hit....different decade...

Is this really what Capitalism is Really All About ?

Killing others who have/own capital that can be made one's own via Killing others ?

Sad ....and we continue to consider ourselves Civilized.


Peace



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 03:23 PM
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Why is a navy spokesman preaching politics and deciding foreign policy?

Also, how nice of America to be upholding international law when it suits them, quoting nice UN maritime laws and such. They'd be the first to violate them with some excuse if necessary.

Oh, attacking Iran would also be the best way to 'destabilise' the region, which they falsely claim they are trying to avoid (yet threaten).



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 05:34 PM
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SEIG heil you spin doctor your analysis is flawed just like your mind,you are depressed
because you have lost all decency and direction.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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great post s&f. just makes me sad now, all this war. so many dead for nothing and now its just starting all over again.



posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Lest not forget that rubberized Chinese sub that popped up between a US Carrier and it's minders a couple of years ago.
There was a big whipdeeedo over that one and I am sure some stripes got ripped too.
Personally I got a big laugh out of it, I mean that Air Craft Carrier was dead.
China needs the oil and if you think that the US has the navel means to bully Iran and China you better do some reading up on this.
One small rubberized non nuclear sub basically sunk a Nuclear Air Craft Carrier and everyone in the world knew it then and knows it now.

Strategy and not brutal force usually wins in these kinds of situations.
A narrow straight will not prove conducive to a huge powerful force where they cannot maneuver without running aground.
Regards, Iwinder


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posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 05:56 PM
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The reason for that was Japanese aggression towards nearly every one of their neighbors, so yes if we did cut them off for no reason then pearl harbor would've been justified, but it was done to keep America from interfering in their conquest of Asia.




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