It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Koch brothers: secretive billionaires to launch vast database with 2012 in mind

page: 2
10
<< 1    3 >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 06:26 PM
link   
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 


I think some of the articles were unfair. Like the fact that he made a lot of money building refineries in USSR.
So what? Why should that be a bad thing. He learned about communists and became ardently anti-communist, and that is a good thing.
They believe in lower taxes and smaller government - that's good.
I don't know about that they want less environemental regulation....they funded green peace.
I don't know much about the John Birch Society, so I don't understand why it is that when they are mentioned their name seems to be used like it is a dirty word.
I do know that our present government demonizes anything that is deemed a threat to them.

I really wonder how close they are to the string pullers of the World, like King Farnese the Holy Roman Emporer who seems to give orders to everyone. I also have to wonder what it is that he has that causes them to obey, and what would happen if everyone just ignored him.




posted on Dec, 29 2011 @ 07:09 PM
link   
String pullers of the entire globe, I'd not think, but of the U.S., I'd believe it quite readily. The Rothschilds have more influence in Europe than America. I don't really see them working against eachother, to be honest. The interests of the rich are the interests of the rich. They usually run congruent to the interests of the other rich. What they don't run congruent to is the interests of the working class, the middle class, the lower class, and anyone who isn't stinking filthy, obscenely rich.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:10 AM
link   
reply to post by 11andrew34
 


You have ENTIRELY MISSED THE POINT of this thread.

The POINT is that the Koch brothers have nearly unlimited money with which to DATA-MINE this country and put together a database that none of us could even hope to create. Couple this information gathering (the likes of which are probably similar to an intelligence agency or security/ad company) with the Kochs' penchant for hijacking our politics, media, and legal landscape, and you actually have something scary and worthy of attention and attack.

If you wanna keep the blinders on though, go ahead, just don't encourage others to keep theirs on, you just look like a fool.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:12 AM
link   
post removed because the user has no concept of manners

Click here for more information.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 06:21 AM
link   

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 


Too much of a threat to the equally if not more powerful tool of the Rotchschilds, Mr Soros, the billionaire financier who owns the Democrat Party these days and pumps money into Media Matters and MoveOn Center for American Progress and others.
Funny, I never hear you complaining about Soros' ability to throw elections.


Really? Equal?
I would love to learn more about this. Do you have any sources you could suggest?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 12:12 PM
link   
If this thread was about Soros, we'd be talking about Soros. However, it's about the Koch brothers. That's probably the reason we're talking about the Koch brothers. Reading comprehension is a skill. A skill some folks apparently lack. Now, I agree, any extraordinarily wealthy family with it's hands in the making of politicians is somewhat sinister, but you derail the thread, talking about the Soros family when we're talking about the Koch brothers' database. Does Soros have such a database being established? Not that I know of. Wouldn't put it past them to have some sort of thing like this planned, or perhaps for them to use the framework provided by the Koch's database.
'



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:26 PM
link   

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 


Too much of a threat to the equally if not more powerful tool of the Rotchschilds, Mr Soros, the billionaire financier who owns the Democrat Party these days and pumps money into Media Matters and MoveOn Center for American Progress and others.
Funny, I never hear you complaining about Soros' ability to throw elections.


Really? Equal?
I would love to learn more about this. Do you have any sources you could suggest?


Sources for the aggressive activites of Soros? It's all over the freaking Internet but give me a few minutes and I will find some stuff to get you started.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:30 PM
link   

Originally posted by Grifter42
If this thread was about Soros, we'd be talking about Soros. However, it's about the Koch brothers. That's probably the reason we're talking about the Koch brothers. Reading comprehension is a skill. A skill some folks apparently lack. Now, I agree, any extraordinarily wealthy family with it's hands in the making of politicians is somewhat sinister, but you derail the thread, talking about the Soros family when we're talking about the Koch brothers' database. Does Soros have such a database being established? Not that I know of. Wouldn't put it past them to have some sort of thing like this planned, or perhaps for them to use the framework provided by the Koch's database.
'


It's not about reading comprehension unless you do not understand the concept of Soros controlling the Democrat Party being at least equal to the Koch bros influencing the Republicans via the Tea Party. Do you really not understand the concept of Soros funding MoveOn.org and Media Matters as well as the progressive Center for American Progress, ACORN for getting people like Obama elected, Soros' outright contempt for George Bush and the attempt to keep him from winning the 04 elections?
Perhaps the real problem here is willful ignorance.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 02:39 PM
link   
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 
Are they doing anything illegal?
Are they doing anything that the progressive movement isn't doing?

It's unity when the left does it, it's "Nightmare On Elm Street" when conservatives do it.

The irony is that the conservatives will probably do it better, cheaper, and with more style.




posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:30 PM
link   
Reply to Nohierarchy

Your opinion mister and name calling is not going to make you right. I have studied what is going on in the world since the 70's with an inside perspective you are not ready for. You do not understand either the spiritual or the political issues in depth. You need to study up on the Rothschilds, UN Agenda 21 and the depopulation agenda, the history of the communist revolution and the Illuminati, the backing of the Bolsheviks and Hitler by monied interests of the West and I recommend all of Antony Sutton's books. I'd start with "America's Secret Establishment" and work up to "Tri-;laterals Over Washington", "Wall Street and FDR", and "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler"
Just so you know, OWS is only partially right. They got the influence of Wall Street right but they have the solutions all wrong plus the backing of Obama and the whole Intl Socialist cabal behind him. How fast would you like your poison?

Here's a start for ya buddy, and let me know when you catch up to this. After that you can go back to the Alex Jones Prison Planet with a fresh perspective.
www.reformed-theology.org...
edit on 30-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

edit on 30-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

edit on 30-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 03:57 PM
link   

Originally posted by NoHierarchy
reply to post by 11andrew34
 


You have ENTIRELY MISSED THE POINT of this thread.

The POINT is that the Koch brothers have nearly unlimited money with which to DATA-MINE this country and put together a database that none of us could even hope to create. Couple this information gathering (the likes of which are probably similar to an intelligence agency or security/ad company) with the Kochs' penchant for hijacking our politics, media, and legal landscape, and you actually have something scary and worthy of attention and attack.

If you wanna keep the blinders on though, go ahead, just don't encourage others to keep theirs on, you just look like a fool.


You just don't like the responses you are getting. Does the word "marionette" come to mind?



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:09 PM
link   
Yep. Speaking of the whole Nazi thing, they were backed by Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush's father, and George W. Bush's grandfather. The man also backed the Business plot, a plan to convert the US into a fascist corporatocracy back in the 30s. Who're the Bush's related to by marriage? The Koch family.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:20 PM
link   

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 


Too much of a threat to the equally if not more powerful tool of the Rotchschilds, Mr Soros, the billionaire financier who owns the Democrat Party these days and pumps money into Media Matters and MoveOn Center for American Progress and others.
Funny, I never hear you complaining about Soros' ability to throw elections.


Really? Equal?
I would love to learn more about this. Do you have any sources you could suggest?


Sorry I needed to get back to this point for you. A quick google finds all sorts of stuff on Soros

beltwaywatchdogs.com...
urbangrounds.com...


Here's a piece from 04
www.aim.org...

awakentheelephants.com...

iusbvision.wordpress.com...

When liberal investor George Soros gave $1.8 million to National Public Radio , it became part of the firestorm of controversy that jeopardized NPR’s federal funding. But that gift only hints at the widespread influence the controversial billionaire has on the mainstream media. Soros, who spent $27 million trying to defeat President Bush in 2004, has ties to more than 30 mainstream news outlets – including The New York Times, Washington Post, the Associated Press, NBC and ABC.


www.americanthinker.com...

Perhaps, he just wants to pay back George Soros, who was so instrumental in helping his election and the election of fellow Democrats across America. George Soros is the Patron Saint of the Democratic Party and was a very early and generous supporter of Barack Obama's. Soros even used a loophole in Federal campaign laws that allowed him and his family to give outsized donations to Barack Obama; he also fielded his army of so-called 527 groups (such as MoveOn.Org) to help Obama win the Oval Office.


www.americanthinker.com...

www.discoverthenetworks.org...

Here's an article comparing Koch and Soros
www.opensecrets.org...

blog
www.sodahead.com...

How about abc news?
abcnews.go.com...

George Soros is known as "the Man Who Broke the Bank of England." On September 16, 1992 Soros delivered an important message to the world. He proved the U.K.'s reluctance to raise its interest rates or to adopt a floating currency was a costly blunder. To reveal that institutional investors had become more powerful than big government, he short sold more than $10 billion in pounds, earning him an estimated $1.1 billion.


Soros has also had a foray into American politics. In a 2003 Washington Post interview, Soros said removing President Bush from office "is the central focus of [his] life." He furthered, "[it is] a matter of life and death." Soros later added that if necessary, he would sacrifice his entire fortune to defeat President Bush. Soros threw his considerable financial support behind Obama during the 2008 presidential election.


and oh in case you thought he isn't involved with the Obama administration policy


Although Soros continues to support the current administration, he is upset at Obama's advisors because he proposed bank reforms modeled on the "Danish System" but, "they went their way."



So, I think this is sufficient for a start and I will find some more later.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:23 PM
link   

Originally posted by Grifter42
Yep. Speaking of the whole Nazi thing, they were backed by Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush's father, and George W. Bush's grandfather. The man also backed the Business plot, a plan to convert the US into a fascist corporatocracy back in the 30s. Who're the Bush's related to by marriage? The Koch family.


My posting history here shows that I have posted on Bush family financing Hitler and posted extensively on Antony Sutton who exposed Skull and Bones and the Bush family I have never said that I liked Bush or his policies.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:23 PM
link   
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 


You could have saved a lot of time by just answering honestly and saying "No, I cannot even begin to demonstrate the stated similarities between the two that would make them polar but equal."
After looking at each link, that is really all you posted. Thanks for trying though.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:24 PM
link   

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Grifter42
Yep. Speaking of the whole Nazi thing, they were backed by Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush's father, and George W. Bush's grandfather. The man also backed the Business plot, a plan to convert the US into a fascist corporatocracy back in the 30s. Who're the Bush's related to by marriage? The Koch family.


My posting history here shows that I have posted on Bush family financing Hitler and posted extensively on Antony Sutton who exposed Skull and Bones and the Bush family I have never said that I liked Bush or his policies.


You seem to say it all the time without ever mentioning Bush. You actually seem to be a huge fan of his policies.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 04:28 PM
link   
reply to post by NoHierarchy
 


You know, you being the collectivst type that your posting has shown, I am glad to know my posts cause you to face palm because it shows I am stirring up the hornets nest of collectivism residing in you.
Have a nice day.
edit on 30-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:08 PM
link   

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Grifter42
Yep. Speaking of the whole Nazi thing, they were backed by Prescott Bush, George H.W. Bush's father, and George W. Bush's grandfather. The man also backed the Business plot, a plan to convert the US into a fascist corporatocracy back in the 30s. Who're the Bush's related to by marriage? The Koch family.


My posting history here shows that I have posted on Bush family financing Hitler and posted extensively on Antony Sutton who exposed Skull and Bones and the Bush family I have never said that I liked Bush or his policies.


You seem to say it all the time without ever mentioning Bush. You actually seem to be a huge fan of his policies.


Then you have not seen my posts where I talk about the PATRIOT ACT. I have said here on this forum that I even gave a Power Point at school on the PATRIOT ACT, and people came up to me after and shook my hand. I cited EPIC, one of the biggest supporters of online privacy. I had the Illuminati logo from darpa on every slide in the presentation. I have never said I was for any of these endless wars and the same is true for the wars Obama is engaging us in.
Do not mistake that for a lack of caring about the Defense of this great country America. It is necessary for the protection of every lifestream living here. Obama is both engaging us in more wars than he said he would get us out of, and also destroying our real defenses and giving Russia the advantage in the START treaty.
Do not mistake the stupid pacifism of the Left with real peace, as the radical Left is as warmongering as the Right, but they hide it well and convince the masses they are for peace. It is an illusion.

I have also posted here that Bush and Kerry, both members of the same Skull and Bones secret society ran as opponents in the 04 election, one representing Right Hegelianism and the other representing Left Hegelianism, the classic conflict of opposites producing the synthesis which is neither right nor left but represents the NWO. That is why there is such a blending of the two parties and people say it seems like both parties are the same, although they are not the same, the synthesis produces a result whiich is neither right nor left.
edit on 30-12-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 05:33 PM
link   

Originally posted by NoHierarchyThe kochs present a terrible alternative to state-society, they are a bastardization of anti-government ideology, the kind that true activists/freedom fighters/dissidents/anarchists despise and fight against. Whether you are right or left-wing, keep two keen eyes on the kochs' co-opting of our politics and resist them, they are snakes and will use your beliefs to convince you to work naively against your own best interests. They want us divided against each other while they watch from afar, sipping champagne and using their billions to toy with our world.


. i'm going to tell you this once but you're not going to believe it.
you're under control because you need money to supply yourself with resources that your human body needs to survive.

transform your body into something more than human.

then you will no longer need money because the resources you'd previously need will be obsolete in the maintenance of your new body.

thus.. you are no longer under control .. and... this all will be a drastically MOOT point.. unless you want to help others.

practice white tantra and activate your kundalini FOR REAL.. it will supply you with amrita and rejuvenate your body into an immortal state.

....i told you you would not believe me. by not doing so you will administer the most epic face palm to yourself when you realize.. only too late how correct I am in telling you this.



edit on 12/30/2011 by prevenge because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 07:47 PM
link   

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Grifter42
If this thread was about Soros, we'd be talking about Soros. However, it's about the Koch brothers. That's probably the reason we're talking about the Koch brothers. Reading comprehension is a skill. A skill some folks apparently lack. Now, I agree, any extraordinarily wealthy family with it's hands in the making of politicians is somewhat sinister, but you derail the thread, talking about the Soros family when we're talking about the Koch brothers' database. Does Soros have such a database being established? Not that I know of. Wouldn't put it past them to have some sort of thing like this planned, or perhaps for them to use the framework provided by the Koch's database.
'


It's not about reading comprehension unless you do not understand the concept of Soros controlling the Democrat Party being at least equal to the Koch bros influencing the Republicans via the Tea Party. Do you really not understand the concept of Soros funding MoveOn.org and Media Matters as well as the progressive Center for American Progress, ACORN for getting people like Obama elected, Soros' outright contempt for George Bush and the attempt to keep him from winning the 04 elections?
Perhaps the real problem here is willful ignorance.


SOROS PROVIDES FAR LESS FUNDING TO GROUPS LIKE MOVEON THAN INDIVIDUAL CONTRIBUTIONS DO. SOROS IS NOT A PUPPETMASTER, HE'S JUST AN EXTREMELY WEALTHY PERSON WHO IS FUNDING GROUPS WHO WORK AGAINST HIS BEST INTERESTS AS A WEALTHY ELITE. HE'S ONE OF THE "GOOD" GUYS AMONGST THE SUPER-RICH. How can you NOT understand this??



new topics

top topics



 
10
<< 1    3 >>

log in

join