A Radical $50 Alternative to Prison - I Urge You to Contact Congrss to Implement.

we all know prisons cost $100000 at least per prisoner per year.

prisons don't reform people and actually crime info exchange makes it worse as they learn each others bad habits and re-offend when they leave prison.

prison is a university for crime.

after much thought i thought of this brilliant idea.

why not cart them to a country which is poor and does not have any of these temptations to rob,steel,murder.

why not send them to africa?


they would be dumped near a primitive village and basically given a survival handbook and $50 which is a years wage in africa and left to sink or swim by themselves.

they should be dumped with only $50 in the outlying areas and made to fend for themselves and banned from coming back to u s a for 3 months to 20 years depending on the crime.

this will wean them of tv and junk food,consumerism,material goods obsession...keep them busy with surviving day to day and since there is nothing worth stealing in africa, keep them straight.

this will improve their character get them away from iphone bling,drugs,violence,money,meth,jewelery,rap music,ipods,tv ,computers,porn,cell phones,designer wear,cars ,junk food,junk drink,peer group pressure .....and so on...

improve their minds by focusing on survival.

when they come back to america it will be like paradise to them and they will be better human beings and not want to leave this paradise again.

more info

reply to post by nobodysavedme


How about changing the archaic LAWS that govern the system ?

Example......

Going to jail for 15 years,under the "three strike law" for shoplifting a 30 cent pack of gum.

But doesn't Africa Have a lot of Pirates, criminals that have very big guns and just all out disregard for life?
Most of our criminals would do very well over there working for the overlords!!!
$50 would buy there way into this way of life! They would be living and killing over there without fear of the law because they would be the law!!

Turn them into pssd off mercenaries ? Might not be a good idea . You could GPS chip them then drop them off and follow where ever they go . Chip them here for that matter , prior to release . hmmmmm

How about a 50 cent solution to dealing with hardened, career criminals? Two behind the ear, add a little extra for cremation but you bill the family for the bullets and the cremation costs. I would be willing to bet that recidivism would drop very quickly.

reply to post by nobodysavedme

I take it you have never been to Africa? also wouldnt the Africans have something to say about this....

Don't think Africa would be too happy about that.

Seriously though, it's a bit arrogant to think you can just ship your undesirables off to some other land.
It's been done before! ie: Australia, and 200 years later we beat our old country at virtually every sport they play..

So these people would only come back 180 odd years later and put you to shame at baseball, basketball and gridiron lol.

But just so you know. America only has a right to dictate what happens in America, not the rest of the world.
This shouldn't have to be said, honestly, it should be common sense.

Seriously... this is the reason why Americans get such an unfair wrap in the rest of the world, because certain members of the population seem to think that the entire world is their plaything.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by nobodysavedme

 

I take it you have never been to Africa? also wouldnt the Africans have something to say about this....

Absolutely. How about we just drop all harden criminals on OP's doorstep. See how he likes it.

The fact that someone would come to conclude that an elaborate plan of mass relocation to a new continent is preferable or at least more likely than reforming the current penal/justice system with all it's outrageous and ultimately useless penalties, it's propensity to attach guilt and it's half-hearted dog and pony way of finding innocence is a great testament to the horrendous situation of American government.

Originally posted by nobodysavedme
we all know prisons cost $100000 at least per prisoner per year.

prisons don't reform people and actually crime info exchange makes it worse as they learn each others bad habits and re-offend when they leave prison.

prison is a university for crime.

after much thought i thought of this brilliant idea.

why not cart them to a country which is poor and does not have any of these temptations to rob,steel,murder.

why not send them to africa?


they would be dumped near a primitive village and basically given a survival handbook and $50 which is a years wage in africa and left to sink or swim by themselves.

they should be dumped with only $50 in the outlying areas and made to fend for themselves and banned from coming back to u s a for 3 months to 20 years depending on the crime.

this will wean them of tv and junk food,consumerism,material goods obsession...keep them busy with surviving day to day and since there is nothing worth stealing in africa, keep them straight.

this will improve their character get them away from iphone bling,drugs,violence,money,meth,jewelery,rap music,ipods,tv ,computers,porn,cell phones,designer wear,cars ,junk food,junk drink,peer group pressure .....and so on...

improve their minds by focusing on survival.

when they come back to america it will be like paradise to them and they will be better human beings and not want to leave this paradise again.

more info

edit on 28-12-2011 by nobodysavedme because: (no reason given)

There are too many in the system that would just use this to their advantage to begin a new reign of terror. Even in prison there is a pecking order and the strong always beat the weak. If all were given $50 and survival gear the strong would kill the weak for their $50 with no consequences being in another country. They would always find a way to better their position in their environment. You can't change anything by environment. You can change by education and showing someone that they are capable of doing something different. There are also those that can't or don't want to learn a new way. Many in prison have come from the worst home lives you can imagine and have survived this long by doing what they do. For many, prison is better than home. They have food, shelter, money, etc.....They have learned to adapt...that is a human quality. Would you not do anything you could to survive if it came to that? If you were thrown into prison for "X" number of years and had to figure a way to survive do you think you would without having the knowledge of that culture?

Throwing prisoners into another country wouldn't do anything to solve the problem....it would only remove it until years later it came back to bite us in the form of a new revolution forming from all prisoners that would have no hesitation taking what they wanted and feeling justified in doing so because after all, they were abandoned with $50 in a foreign country to fend for themselves.....that is the mentality.

Not saying there aren't those that can be reformed, but the majority are in it for life and don't really want to reform as it is all they have known. Those that just make a mistake one day that they end up in jail for are the ones that feel remorse and can change and make reparations for their mistakes. Those that have made a life of prison and change are few and far between.

Very bad idea:

1. Cruel and unusual punishment is wrong and forbidden. Government must take care of the sentenced, including their safety and basic needs.

2. Dumping criminals into Africa is going to endanger innocent local people.

Justice system is not an area where every dollar should be saved at all costs. But if you want to, decriminalising victimless crimes is the way to go.

reply to post by Raivan31


I heard that a lot of Aussie's are coming to England for a holiday...criminals always return to the scene of the crime jk jk jk (I have AUS family...boy hope you have a sense of humour lol )

Sorry dude had to put it in seeing you lot beat us at all sports we play......except the good ones

I agree with you that some American's seem to think the whole world is their playground..

reply to post by nobodysavedme


Why not just give them a job, which they are forced to do each day for less than minimum wage for a number of years, or prison. They get to choose. They will know they got the eyes focused on them all the time, and one slip up, and off to prison they go. I´d wager this would be alot cheaper to society, as most people would rather work than be in prison.

Africa has enough murderers from around the world already. Africa has enough corrupt governments and people already. Africa has enough rapists already.

Keep yours!!!!!!!!!

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Awww... What did Africa ever do to you, to upset you so much? Poor little continent would never see such a horror coming. Wow... Reverse the wrongs of Slvery by sending BACK monsters where once the "West" stole good men and families to enslave.

The only good way I could see this is to drop them right into the middle of the most brutal area known to the African Continent for beasts of both wild and human variety. I don't know...I hear the Democratic Republic of the Congo is nice this time of year? If they get out of that place, alive and with their sanity...I'd even say they've earned the right to live OVER THERE for life.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
reply to post by Raivan31

 

I heard that a lot of Aussie's are coming to England for a holiday...criminals always return to the scene of the crime jk jk jk (I have AUS family...boy hope you have a sense of humour lol )

Sorry dude had to put it in seeing you lot beat us at all sports we play......except the good ones

I agree with you that some American's seem to think the whole world is their playground..

It's all jokes!.. you'd be hard pressed to find an Aussie that really cares about the whole 'convict' thing
And making fun of England is just a national passtime, for kicks and giggles lol

It all happened 100's of years ago so no one cares anymore.... Hmmm, now how would that attitude apply to people in other western nations??

Originally posted by NeoVain
reply to post by nobodysavedme

 

Why not just give them a job, which they are forced to do each day for less than minimum wage for a number of years, or prison. They get to choose. They will know they got the eyes focused on them all the time, and one slip up, and off to prison they go. I´d wager this would be alot cheaper to society, as most people would rather work than be in prison.

That's called parole. And for some it does work, but the repeat offenders could care less most of the time. Sure they will show for the job for a bit, but it isn't long before they are back with their buddies and doing the same old same old.

They have sedation dentistry.
How bout sedation prison?

We sedate the prisoners so they are asleep most of the day.
They eat. Shuffle about for exercise and shower.

It would work. There's bound to be some company drooling over the contract to provide the meds for that.
It would be a win win for everyone.

Great Briton tried that a couple hundred of years ago and look how Australia turned out.
brice

Originally posted by brice
Great Briton tried that a couple hundred of years ago and look how Australia turned out.

brice

HEY!! rabble rabble rabble rabble... I heard that!
lol