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Im mad/jealous that God doesn't talk to me or anyone I know.

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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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Originally posted by sHuRuLuNi

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Adam did the same thing, he blamed Yah for his fall


No, he did not.



Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

because Yah gave him the woman he asked for in the first place,


He did not ask for her. And it was not her who gave Adam the "apple". In fact, only Adam directly is criticized for having eaten the fruit. Eve is not mentioned in this context, though both seem to have eaten from it.

The part about Eve being the one who "made" Adam eat the fruit is the nice and dandy part the jewish priests abused for centuries to blame the women for every evil.



Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

when he could have just asked Yah to forgive him.


And that is exactly what God did. He forgave him. In fact, it was God Himself who TAUGHT Adam how to ASK for forgiveness.


Then Adam received from his Lord [some] words, and He accepted his repentance. Indeed, it is He who is the Accepting of repentance, the Merciful. - Qur'an, 2:37


But then, of course, if you would accept this simple truth, there would be no more "original sin" and no more need for "God" (Jesus) to die on the cross for us to be forgiven, so the whole paulian house of cards would shatter ...
edit on 30/12/2011 by sHuRuLuNi because: (no reason given)


Sorry dude, I read from the same Old Testament as the jews do and yes Adam did blame God.

Genesis 3:12 12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”

"The woman you put here with me, she gave me some fruit from the tree and i did eat".

Certainly looks like Adam was laying blame to me, blaming both God and Eve.

You might as well stow that sh*t about telling me what is right and what is wrong. Thats not your call to make. I'll read the bible for myself thank you very much and trust the Ruach Ha Kodesh over your personal interpretations so i don't get decieved by whatever spirit decieves you.

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posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by hoonsince89
reply to post by sputniksteve
 


There is nothing wrong with masturbation.
It depends on which directions you want to go..... the purpose of abstaining from sexual pleasures is to stop the production of sperm in the human body. When the body stops producing, the energy used in this process can then be directed to a more spiritual cause. Semen is a material version of (life Energy), If you are not pouring it out onto the computer screen, you will be harnessing its power for the development of yourself.
I am very spiritual, but still do not follow this path, for it is free will.

And have you ever wondered that he is speaking to you, but you are just not listening? Things from the other side work in mysterious ways, Like being in the right place at the right time, or meeting someone new in a time of need etc.
Maybe his talking to you in your dreams but you do not realize...


Everything in life is good in the right dose. (sometimes the healthy dose is 0). To much of something is not good but to little is not good either and It is up to the person themselves to decide. You decide whether you think you should be doing it. But from my point masturbation is natural and a way to enjoy the body god have given you,. But if you do it a lot because you are missing something else then it's not good. Forget all preconsived notions on what is holy or not. Some of the people that just live their lifes are more connected and get god/all/source better that the priests that should be trying to teach people spirituality. Namaste



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Sorry dude, I read from the same Old Testament as the jews do and yes Adam did blame God.

Genesis 3:12 12 The man said, “The woman you put here with me—she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it.”



No, he did not. And the part you are quoting is neither the word of God, nor of Moses. In fact, in most probability (and most scholars agree with this) it is written by one or more priests sometime around 400 BCE. Waaaaaay after Moses.

And about the Ruhu-l-Kuds (the Holy Spirit) - the one you call that is actually Gabriel. The angel. And he is MOST ASSUREDLY not talking to you.

In fact, if you do think that some "spirit" is communicating with you, it is not I who am being deceived, but you. Take a look in the mirror.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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Like I said you misread. I WAS saying that grace being a license to do as you pease, and scrub the slate later was a misconception. Just as much as thinking you can be "good enough" on your own which is what the law was mean to prove that we would fail if we tried to be "good enough" on our own without the gift of grace, God's nature given to us, and acted on. I was not implying God failed, we did, just as planned. So we could never go to God someday, and say "You didn't give me a chance to do it on my own."

Then we turn around, and make His gift ineffective by making up a whole new set of religious rules. Ya know the only thing that can make the word of God of no effect, the traditions of men.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by Binder
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 


Like I said you misread. I WAS saying that grace being a license to do as you pease, and scrub the slate later was a misconception. Just as much as thinking you can be "good enough" on your own which is what the law was mean to prove that we would fail if we tried to be "good enough" on our own without the gift of grace, God's nature given to us, and acted on. I was not implying God failed, we did, just as planned. So we could never go to God someday, and say "You didn't give me a chance to do it on my own."

Then we turn around, and make His gift ineffective by making up a whole new set of religious rules. Ya know the only thing that can make the word of God of no effect, the traditions of men.


Amen, we agree then!

If you insist that it was me who misread, then that's cool, I'll accept the blame for that.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:11 PM
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He did not ask for her. And it was not her who gave Adam the "apple". In fact, only Adam directly is criticized for having eaten the fruit. Eve is not mentioned in this context, though both seem to have eaten from it.


Because Eve was deceived, not Adam. Adam chose to join his wife in her death, out of love. And the idea that Genesis was written in 400 BC is absurdity. And certainly "most scholars" do not agree.

Jesus confirmed that Moses was the author of the Torah.



posted on Dec, 30 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by sHuRuLuNi
 



He did not ask for her. And it was not her who gave Adam the "apple". In fact, only Adam directly is criticized for having eaten the fruit. Eve is not mentioned in this context, though both seem to have eaten from it.


Because Eve was deceived, not Adam. Adam chose to join his wife in her death, out of love. And the idea that Genesis was written in 400 BC is absurdity. And certainly "most scholars" do not agree.

Jesus confirmed that Moses was the author of the Torah.


Of course he did. But the Torah that was revealed to Moses was certainly not the same written one that was used or available in the time of Jesus. He even cursed the priests for CHANGING the Law, and following the teachings "of men" instead of God. This was the whole point of his mission and the only reason they wanted to kill him.

And about 400BCE - no absurdity at all. It is a known fact that after the destruction of the temple the Torah was lost - it resurfaced after that and was most certainly written by priests and various scribes. They gathered whatever oral tradition was left and added to it masses of content which was never revealed. This explains all those anthropomorphisms in the OT today and clear cut errors and contradictions.

And, no, it was not Eve who was deceived. That is the concoction by those same priests, who had a clear agenda to subdue women and make them second-class humans. It worked nicely for centuries for christians or shall I say paulians too - with Paul even writing such things as men being "masters" of women, or not allowing women to even speak in the church.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 12:21 AM
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He even cursed the priests for CHANGING the Law, and following the teachings "of men" instead of God.


That's because the Pharisees and Scribes held the Talmuds (Rabbinical interpretations of the Torah) in the same high regard as they did the Torah itself (The word of God given to Moses on Mt. Sinai).

ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE.


And about 400BCE - no absurdity at all. It is a known fact that after the destruction of the temple the Torah was lost - it resurfaced after that and was most certainly written by priests and various scribes.


Dear Jesus, the Septuagint (LXX) was codified in 300 BC, that translated the Torah and Prophets into Greek three centuries before Christ. Are you aware of the dating that's been done on scrolls found in the caves at Qumran?


It worked nicely for centuries for christians or shall I say paulians too - with Paul even writing such things as men being "masters" of women, or not allowing women to even speak in the church.


That's because in the synagogue setup men sat on one side of the isle and women on the other side. It would be better for wives to seek council of their husbands for questions concerning Christianity and it's differences from Judaism in the confines of home or outside the church than to be whispering across the isle interrupting service.

That same Paul also said that husbands should sacrifice themselves for their wives in the same manner Christ died for the church.

Cherry pick much?



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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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We are brainwashed by organized religions that either "God" speaks with a thunderous voice or other attention getting effect or just to certain select people.
Quiet your thoughts for a moment, and just listen. You will hear that small voice whispering to you. That is God. Why all the side show histrionics, the magic show performances, and having others speak for God? Consider what God is suppose to be. A quiet whisper is enough for anyone of us.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by sputniksteve

Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
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Why would God talk to you if you are hurting others, or leading others to sin. Furthermore each time you look at a woman with lust you are sinning against God's future bride. Do you not also know that God hates all that do iniquity?
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Because I thought God was supposed to be pretty understanding of us mortals and not so decisive as to hate us for masturbating or looking at porn. I would think God would try and reach out to us sinners instead of only talking with his followers. I thought that was the whole point, that's why I am asking questions because I don't understand. You sure God hates people?


What part about him being the "righteous God" is hard to comprehend? So you think if you do evil things the righteous God is supposed to talk to you anyway? Thats a rather conceited way to look at things.

He did reach out to you he sent Yahshua (Jesus) the Christ. So your response is to blame him for your failures? Adam did the same thing, he blamed Yah for his fall because Yah gave him the woman he asked for in the first place, when he could have just asked Yah to forgive him. You want God to talk to you when youre living outside of accordance with him. Wow thats some audacity. You have no right to ask anything of him as long as you refuse to submit to him and keep living in your wickedness.

BTW, food for thought. Whenever youre pulling your plug or watching porn, he sees everything youre doing, he and any angels thatre battling the fallen in your midst. The part about him being omnipresent and omniscient is he knows everything and he is everwhere. Thats gotta be embarrasing

edit on 30-12-2011 by lonewolf19792000 because: (no reason given)


I have to be honest, some of the hard line responses in here are quite entertaining. Obviously there have been different views throughout the history of Christianity and different sects believe different things. Some are literalists and some are contextualists when it comes to interpreting the bible.

But the ridiculousness of trying to tell me that masturbation is evil or that viewing porn is evil is beyond simple ignorance of biological functions and starts to border with fanaticism in my opinion. God won't talk to me because I physically stimulate a body part of mine? I am not trying to tell anyone they are wrong in that belief, you go ahead and teach that to your children and you go ahead and live a life where you don't think you are able to masturbate without the threat of eternal damnation, but don't seriously expect any critically thinking average educated person to go full speed into that type of mentality let alone contemplate adopting that philosophy.

So it seems in this thread we are at a split decision possibly. Half of the people telling me I am on the right path and just need to change my expectations, and that God IS talking to me and others all the time. We just have to recognize it for what it is.

The other half says masturbation is Evil and no God is not going to talk to a masturbator, he is too busy talking to hypocritical child molesting priests, and Meth smoking, gay sex having (but anti both) pastors to bother with the questioning crowd. If your goal is to spread your beliefs and hopefully influence others you are doing a terrible job.

I really think I got everything I could out of this thread and I appreciate all of the replies. Even the negative ones were pretty enlightening, maybe even more so. For the few of you that dropped some seriously deep nuggets of wisdom on me I thank you dearly. I might not have responded to them in my haste to reply to the haters but it didn't go unnoticed and unappreciated.

I am not trying to run away from confrontation or argument but that is not at all what I wanted to accomplish by starting this thread. I wasn't trying to start a discussion on the merits of religion or whether or not I should believe, I just really wanted to know if God talked to people other than believers, as simple as that. Frankly I don't have the time to go further into the topic.

In summation what I think I learned is it is my job to listen to whats being said, and to find some meaning in the experiences and relationships I forge, not Gods job to point them all out to me. This is all assuming I begin to believe in that God in the first place but that is I guess digressing. And that yes, God, the Angels, and possibly everyone else in Heaven IS watching me masturbate. I knew it all along!

So thanks again and take care everyone, have a happy new year!
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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 05:37 PM
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Wouldn't you think those people in heaven would have better things to do then to judge you while you're doing YOUR business?

Basicallly you're thinking everyone in heaven is a sick pervert, and have nothing better to do then wait for people to start pulling it... so they can alll watch and say Tisk tisk...

Somehow i doubt it honestly bro




posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 05:39 PM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Dear Jesus, the Septuagint (LXX) was codified in 300 BC, that translated the Torah and Prophets into Greek three centuries before Christ. Are you aware of the dating that's been done on scrolls found in the caves at Qumran?


Lol, you think I am Jesus?

P.S. - And yes, I am aware of the qumran dating, most are around the BCE/CE switch, some are possibly as old as 200 BCE. But, that's it.

You DO NOT have any manuscripts older than 400 BCE.


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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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Originally posted by Akragon
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Wouldn't you think those people in heaven would have better things to do then to judge you while you're doing YOUR business?

Basicallly you're thinking everyone in heaven is a sick pervert, and have nothing better to do then wait for people to start pulling it... so they can alll watch and say Tisk tisk...

Somehow i doubt it honestly bro



I never said everyone in heaven is a pervert you did. I don't believe there is anything wrong with masturbating, I think it is natural and healthy and shouldn't be demonized like it is. So in essence I don't think there is anything wrong with God/Angels/Dead family members watching me do it. Prior to my maturaty on the subject though I did have guilt about it. In regards to my last post I was speaking facetiously, which means being sarcastic. Its too bad my comment about masturbation so thoroughly sidetracked this thread because I think it could have been a lot more interesting without it.

But to answer your question, I was told constantly growing up that God was everywhere and saw everything and knew everything. Was I to assume that excludes masturbation time or that they simply looked the other way while we did that? I really think maybe you should try and re-read my original post. The whole reason I even mentioned it was to try and show how much influence a religion that I don't believe in, nor ever believed in still has over my psyche even 3 decades later. I think you totally missed the point of this topic.

Bro.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 08:35 PM
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Originally posted by Binder
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Like I said you misread. I WAS saying that grace being a license to do as you pease, and scrub the slate later was a misconception. Just as much as thinking you can be "good enough" on your own which is what the law was mean to prove that we would fail if we tried to be "good enough" on our own without the gift of grace, God's nature given to us, and acted on. I was not implying God failed, we did, just as planned. So we could never go to God someday, and say "You didn't give me a chance to do it on my own."

Then we turn around, and make His gift ineffective by making up a whole new set of religious rules. Ya know the only thing that can make the word of God of no effect, the traditions of men.


Exactly. Traditions of men, the exact same thing Jesus was trying to convey to the Sanhedrin and they stopped up their ears so they couldn't hear his truth.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by Brandyjack
We are brainwashed by organized religions that either "God" speaks with a thunderous voice or other attention getting effect or just to certain select people.
Quiet your thoughts for a moment, and just listen. You will hear that small voice whispering to you. That is God. Why all the side show histrionics, the magic show performances, and having others speak for God? Consider what God is suppose to be. A quiet whisper is enough for anyone of us.


Lol, read the bible. If i recall corectly God didn't speak to Moses in a tiny voice inside his heart the first time he spoke to him, he boomed it out loud and probably scared the crap out of him. As i recall it when Moses asked God who he was he boomed out I AM THAT I AM.

That small voice is your conscience that Jesus often uses to rebuke you through when you do wrong.



posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 08:49 PM
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Well, here's one to ignorance then because you clearly do not know what God has classified as "sexual immorality". Go ahead and keep jerking your chicken and watching porn if you think it's not evil, God knows i ain't gonna try to stop you.

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posted on Dec, 31 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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see this statement...


And that yes, God, the Angels, and possibly everyone else in Heaven IS watching me masturbate. I knew it all along!


was what i was replying to...

Either way... relax


I meant no disrespect, i just find the idea that people or angels in heaven have nothing better to do then to spy on their family when they're doing such things.




posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:16 AM
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Why are people so self important that they think they have a "personal relationship with god" ...oh yeah ..ego and id



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 05:41 AM
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Originally posted by gambon
Why are people so self important that they think they have a "personal relationship with god" ...oh yeah ..ego and id


He's promised that to anyone who diligently seeks Him. Has nothing to do with but being special, but perseverance.



posted on Jun, 4 2012 @ 06:19 AM
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and those who dont claim a personal relationship with god arent as diligent so they arent as worthy?sounds like ego to me...Where was this personal relation ship promised?
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