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Originally posted by star in a jar
If TPTB want a collapse they will let a collapse happen
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by n00bUK
Having worked in an industry where I saw Polish nationals arriving to work for us, I can say that you are wrong.
I have direct experience of what's really happened in the UK when it comes to immigration, not some third-hand account from some nationalist rag like the Daily Fail.
British youth do not want to work. They're lazy, arrogant, can barely read or write at a basic level. They turn up late, and want to go home early. They miss weekends because they got drunk the night before. They're argumentative and cannot follow simple instructions. They demand the Earth and are prepared to give the bare minimum in return.
In contrast, I could call any of my Polish staff and ask them if they could work an extra shift, and they'd jump at it. I could explain anything to them and they'd understand it and follow those instructions to the letter. I could move them from one place to another and they'd smile and appreciate a new environment or experience. They would not be on the phone complaining every ten minutes. They would not be making demands and being argumentative if they had to do something very basic that they had never done before.
Basically, my Polish staff were hard working, respectful and professional. Most of my British born staff of the same age were unreliable, lazy, arrogant and unprofessional.
I'm talking about those aged 18 - 30. We had plenty of British staff over that age range who were great too. Generally, the older employees and those from other countries were the best we had.
That's why I entirely refute the brainwashed argument that immigration has harmed us. Without those people actually willing to work we would be in a far worse economic state.
Originally posted by detachedindividual
reply to post by n00bUK
Having worked in an industry where I saw Polish nationals arriving to work for us, I can say that you are wrong.
I have direct experience of what's really happened in the UK when it comes to immigration, not some third-hand account from some nationalist rag like the Daily Fail.
British youth do not want to work. They're lazy, arrogant, can barely read or write at a basic level. They turn up late, and want to go home early. They miss weekends because they got drunk the night before. They're argumentative and cannot follow simple instructions. They demand the Earth and are prepared to give the bare minimum in return.
In contrast, I could call any of my Polish staff and ask them if they could work an extra shift, and they'd jump at it. I could explain anything to them and they'd understand it and follow those instructions to the letter. I could move them from one place to another and they'd smile and appreciate a new environment or experience. They would not be on the phone complaining every ten minutes. They would not be making demands and being argumentative if they had to do something very basic that they had never done before.
Basically, my Polish staff were hard working, respectful and professional. Most of my British born staff of the same age were unreliable, lazy, arrogant and unprofessional.
I'm talking about those aged 18 - 30. We had plenty of British staff over that age range who were great too. Generally, the older employees and those from other countries were the best we had.
That's why I entirely refute the brainwashed argument that immigration has harmed us. Without those people actually willing to work we would be in a far worse economic state.
Originally posted by Observor
Originally posted by monkofmimir
reply to post by Observor
doesn't Ireland count as a country anymore?
Oops! My mistake.
So are they sealing the border with the Republic of Ireland?
Originally posted by bigyin
reply to post by detachedindividual
reply to post by detachedindividual
I agree with you that many eastern european immigrants are hard working and reliable. It could have something to do with anybody who is prepared to get up off their ass and relocate to a foreign place where they can't speak the lingo and work night and day to make themselves a better life. Good luck to them.
However, if you have a lazy young person at home and they wont do anything and you solve it by getting somebody else in to do their work then that is never going to teach them anything.
There are a lot of layabouts in UK and the only way to get them to do anything is take their benifits away and tell them they will eat when they do some work.
Why should hard working diligent and honest people pay so that the lazy bstards can sit in front of a playstation all day. Sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to selfishness;
From selfishness to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;
From dependence back into bondage.
-Alexander Fraser Tytler
Originally posted by monkofmimir
reply to post by Vitchilo
well its undeniable that the U.K. has got an economic collapse coming but at the moment Europe is looking like it'll get there first.
Originally posted by monkofmimir
reply to post by this_is_who_we_are
If the global economy collapses your going to see some countries trying to merge and a lot more simply closing there borders and ignoring the rest of the world. There will be Greece style riots in every major city in the world. Supply lines will be shattered and there will be massive food and goods shortages... where it goes from there though is anyones guess...
Originally posted by detachedindividual
Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by detachedindividual
That's some scary stuff, but, that's pretty much how I see it going down. I was actually looking into buying some physical gold or silver today. I hope we have the time you predict to organise ourselves. Times like this you wish the UK had gun laws like the yanks.
IMO, Silver and Gold are only wise investments for those who have more than 5k invested elsewhere. For the average person, we should be investing our couple of thousand $'s or £'s in physical goods to ride out the collapse.
You can't eat Silver or Gold, and the idea of trading it is pointless. Look at our societies, none of those people will understand the value of precious metals beyond what a ring costs in a catalog.
We'd all need rationed food supplies to last 3 to 6 months, fuel, and farming goods in case it lasts longer than expected.
As for gun laws, we're no worse off in that regard IMO. The only reason it would be wise to own one in the USA is because of the numbers of firearms in public hands already. In the UK, because we don't have that threat, we don't each need to consider a defense against it. In a civil unrest scenario in the USA, people will have to consider arming themselves against looters, but here most will be armed with bats.
Not a pretty picture, but it's not all bad. Once the collapse is over we will have a better society. We'll be more inclined to increase national self-reliance, people will have a greater respect for the value of things. Communities will likely be smaller, stronger and more scattered.
I think we'll see the end of larger cities for a while at least. People won't want to live in them in that kind of poverty and crime.