Britain’s Borders Could Be Temporarily Sealed: Daily Mail Story From 12/28/2011

Originally posted by ThorsBrother

Originally posted by Observor
UK making preparations to stem a load of economic migrants from failied EU states is understandable. But why the preparations for evacuating British citizens? Are they expecting comple societal collapse in these states that their citizens there cannot leave in an orderly manner? Wonder if other countries planning the same.

To be honest i think the way the government are probably looking at it is to say, if a Brit, living abroad in a Eurozone country and thing have gone a bit tits up for them i.e they have lost the job in which they went over for, they can have the choice to come back to Britain if they want to and the government will take care of them

Thats the way i look at it, not like many, possibly yourself who are misguided/mislead by the headlines of many articles on the web that make it seem as though the government will round up every last brit abroad and order them home, easy mistake to make judging by headlines mate

I wasn't interpreting it in the sense of the UK government rounding up and ordering its citizens back to the UK, but more like evacuating them to protect them from potential harm to themselves as often happens where civil wars breakout. But it may be to financially help UK citizens leave the particular EU state as you suggested.

Originally posted by jrmcleod
if they are taking the jobs, which they aren't (they are taking the jobs none of the Brits will do because Brits are too proud i.e. care home work etc), then the UK citizens who are jobless need to get the finger out and take anything that's going.

My experience is somewhat different. As an agency worker desperate to do just about anything I found many of the lower end care vacancies blocked because of the influx of E European migrants in that area. When I finally got a job, I found myself working with other Brits who were having to do round trips of 60 miles per day just to get low paid work - for the same reason. They also drive down pay - for example a Pole living in temporary multi occupancy accommodation (which they do in this area) can live and work for a lot less than his British counterpart with a full rent/mortgage.

Originally posted by Observor

I wasn't interpreting it in the sense of the UK government rounding up and ordering its citizens back to the UK, but more like evacuating them to protect them from potential harm to themselves as often happens where civil wars breakout. But it may be to financially help UK citizens leave the particular EU state as you suggested.

It has already been well reported in this and earlier articles www.telegraph.co.uk... that contingency plans were necessary in case Brits abroad did not have access to funds - ie if bank accounts/cash machines went into lockdown. I would guess there is also some concern about civil unrest.
I am worried about some friends who sunk their savings into a business in France. At the moment though, they are either not concerned or not aware.

Originally posted by starchild10

Originally posted by jrmcleod
if they are taking the jobs, which they aren't (they are taking the jobs none of the Brits will do because Brits are too proud i.e. care home work etc), then the UK citizens who are jobless need to get the finger out and take anything that's going.

My experience is somewhat different. As an agency worker desperate to do just about anything I found many of the lower end care vacancies blocked because of the influx of E European migrants in that area. When I finally got a job, I found myself working with other Brits who were having to do round trips of 60 miles per day just to get low paid work - for the same reason. They also drive down pay - for example a Pole living in temporary multi occupancy accommodation (which they do in this area) can live and work for a lot less than his British counterpart with a full rent/mortgage.

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you are totally correct... i found the original statement one of pure ignorance and lack of understanding.. he certainly doesnt speak for the UK either..

Originally posted by Observor
UK making preparations to stem a load of economic migrants from failied EU states is understandable. But why the preparations for evacuating British citizens? Are they expecting comple societal collapse in these states that their citizens there cannot leave in an orderly manner? Wonder if other countries planning the same.

I don't think that any of us can imagine what happens when a banking system fails. If there is no access to funds, complete desperation would ensue. No money for petrol to drive anywhere, no money for food, no new food into shops which is the only source of food for the vast majority of people, chaos and opportunism by those people who believe that their whole value is derived from material things, people breaking into shops and homes for food etc

The EU has been laying the foundation for a consolidated Europe for a long time. Get them used to prosperity for a long while, then start to remove wealth, force mass immigration under the guise of multiculturalism which creates disharmony in any society then scare them all by threatening complete collapse and the loss of everything that they have been taught to value (possessions instead of God).

Create the problem, manage the reaction and implement the desired solution.

The UK is no different. Neither is any other western country. The same scenario is being played out everywhere.
The ideology of "isms" have been brainwashed in our youngest generations, they are godless, worship materialism and do whatever pleases themselves. Lack of love for one's neighbour is at an all time low as demonstrated in this article. Potentially seal off our borders to human beings who have no food? I would pray to God that plans are being drawn up to assist ALL people in need regardless if they are UK citizens or not.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


Flagged and starred. I'm not religious but I believe you nailed it.
Just witness the reaction when a couple of ATMs go down for an hour or so. If it happened en masse and for days/weeks at a time there would be mayhem.
We saw what happened in the summer riots when the mob mentality went on the rampage. We ain't seen nothing yet.
All this business about telling Europe where to go. We will be driven to the brink of disaster. We have already had not so veiled allusions to the threat of war. When people are desperate enough, we will be told that consolidation within Europe is the only answer. Such is the current Euro scepticism, it's the only way the British public will accept it.

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It's the Daily Fail, no further discussion is needed really. But...

All nations have measures in place to close their borders, it's nothing new. The Daily Fail is widely known for exaggerating and creating stories out of nothing.

You have to consider that the UK is massively exposed to Euro debt. When the Euro collapses most of our banks here in the UK will close their doors, we'll see runs on them, we'll see panic buying and looting, we'll be no better off than most other European nations.

The nationalism the Daily Fail expresses in this is fictional. We are no better off and I very much doubt people will be flooding our borders to experience the collapse here instead of in their own country.

reply to post by detachedindividual


I have supplied other sources subsequent to the OP. Telegraph, Bloomberg, RT. Take your pick.

Originally posted by monkofmimir
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

well its undeniable that the U.K. has got an economic collapse coming but at the moment Europe is looking like it'll get there first.

Well, for the first part ... the German kanslar doesn't seem to be fit for the job. For the second, the French have chickened out.

But I wouldn't bet against them, yet ... it is obviously a war, between Europe and US/UK. What will happen, we'll see ... personally, I hope that Europe will take extreme measures and stop being a pussy. But I am afraid, they'll give in ... and lose.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr

Originally posted by supamoto
"Don't beleive the hype".
When it comes to politics this newspaper is know for lies and false info'.
They are pro-government & are rumourmongers of the worst kind.

I share your view of the Daily Fail, but The Sunday Times headline a few weeks ago, was about the government drawing up plans for evacuating UK citizens from Spain and Portugal. Over 1 and half million British ex pats.

And just where exactly are these 1 and half million sun tanned folk supposed to go when they get back to blighty ?

I don't have much sympathy for them. They made their bed let them lie in it. Why do they want to come back here anyway,

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Q: And just where exactly are these 1 and half million sun tanned folk supposed to go when they get back to blighty
A: "The Winchester", 39 Monson Road, New Cross, London, England, United Kingdom.

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Well if everywhere's going to go tits up , you might as well be poor in the sun rather than poor in a raining cold Blighty.

reply to post by WhoKnows100


There are things we can predict if we think about the connections.

When the € collapses, almost all European banks will either see a run or they'll close their doors. In the USA they'll declare a bank holiday, but this won't help the markets. Most banking institutions will completely collapse over night because of their exposure to debt.
Over 90% of the population will be left without access to cash.
Stock markets around the world will likely crash within hours as people fear the spread of the collapse. This will cause a domino effect as people pull their money from the markets. Lines will form outside surviving banks and they'll close one by one.
Leaders will make announcements that the majority of the people will ignore. Why trust them when they've failed so catastrophically so far?

The average store has three days worth of stock, at a normal trading level. In a panic buy situation most stores will run out within a day. The supply chain will break down as businesses fail due to being without access to their own funds. Failure of trust between businesses will end almost all trade. The staff needed to run the supply line will be in the same position as everyone else and will not be doing their jobs.
Because all ATM's and card payment systems are shut down the panic buying will become looting. All stores will be empty within 48 hours.
Gangs will start targeting distribution centers if forces have not been deployed to protect them.

Police will be outnumbered, they can't deal with the looting, the robberies, the riots and the fuel panic buying. Mindless people take advantage of the chaos and food runs become smash and grabs for anything and everything. The numbers of people protesting and rioting in the major cities becomes out of control and we see a repeat of the UK August riots or the LA riots, but it spreads around the world.

Local authorities are ousted as the people take control of their own towns and cities, seeing their elected fail to cope. Militias and gangs form to patrol the streets and secure regional resources.

There's plenty more that can be predicted. And while various governments have plans to deal with these things, most of those plans are likely to focus almost exclusively on the capital cities and infrastructure of the country. They won't care about, or be able to deal with, the massive chaos across the country.
It's likely that most countries with the € right now are making sure they have a secondary currency ready to replace it. This isn't the same in the UK or USA.

I've said it before, but the people here on ATS are in a far better position, because we are aware. The moment we see the first European bank close, or the first market starting to slide, we can get out and get planning before the collapse spreads. Most people have absolutely no clue, and we can be sat at home surrounded by our 3 month supply of whatever we need watching it all happen on TV before most of the population have even caught on.
The only difficulty we have is deciding when that moment happens. What triggers the collapse? Personally, I would wait until I see a bank publicly fold, a market start to fall and the first report of a run starting on a bank in Europe. That's probably when I'll be getting my money out and stocking up.

reply to post by detachedindividual


That's some scary stuff, but, that's pretty much how I see it going down. I was actually looking into buying some physical gold or silver today. I hope we have the time you predict to organise ourselves. Times like this you wish the UK had gun laws like the yanks.

Seems the U.K is trying to cut the life boat away from the sinking ship. Seems like a smart move to me.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

That's some scary stuff, but, that's pretty much how I see it going down. I was actually looking into buying some physical gold or silver today. I hope we have the time you predict to organise ourselves. Times like this you wish the UK had gun laws like the yanks.

IMO, Silver and Gold are only wise investments for those who have more than 5k invested elsewhere. For the average person, we should be investing our couple of thousand $'s or £'s in physical goods to ride out the collapse.

You can't eat Silver or Gold, and the idea of trading it is pointless. Look at our societies, none of those people will understand the value of precious metals beyond what a ring costs in a catalog.

We'd all need rationed food supplies to last 3 to 6 months, fuel, and farming goods in case it lasts longer than expected.

As for gun laws, we're no worse off in that regard IMO. The only reason it would be wise to own one in the USA is because of the numbers of firearms in public hands already. In the UK, because we don't have that threat, we don't each need to consider a defense against it. In a civil unrest scenario in the USA, people will have to consider arming themselves against looters, but here most will be armed with bats.

Not a pretty picture, but it's not all bad. Once the collapse is over we will have a better society. We'll be more inclined to increase national self-reliance, people will have a greater respect for the value of things. Communities will likely be smaller, stronger and more scattered.

I think we'll see the end of larger cities for a while at least. People won't want to live in them in that kind of poverty and crime.

Originally posted by Observor
As far as I know, the UK doesn't have as any land borders with any other country. So am not sure what this "sealing the borders" means? Are they going to make visa a requirement for entry to europeans of specific memebr states of the EU who today don't need a visa? Are they going refuse entry to all kinds of foreigners, except say diplomats etc?

Isn't northern Ireland on the border with Ireland?

If TPTB want a collapse they will let a collapse happen, otherwise they will start to quietly pump their own funds in the system to keep it afloat, unless an collapse is exactly what they want and when that happens we will see the rise of the private army who answers to corporations and private masters.

This is one of TPTB's 'rainy day' scenarios. People forget that they cold untold trillions of treasure that they have amassed throughout the centuries, planning for a checkmate.

Silly comments saying immigration isnt the problem. . are you fkin crazy. been part of the EU and immigration go hand in hand in the destruction of our working class.

we have no fkin jobs because their taken by majority Polish, Lithuanians and every other foreign person allowed in.

Stop saying thats its racist we say close our borders, no it isnt at all - i like any race, but i dont liek the fact that even if they dont contribute to our economy, there allowed here. We have massive working class where over 45% of our population is on minimum wage, we dont need more taking up the lower skilled jobs - they aint taking doctor jobs, CEO jobs, their taking lower skilled jobs - this is THE problem. . not color, nationality, culture - its the taking of jobs which WE need.

Over 75% of our laws/policies are decided in Brussels by people who are not even elected - these people tell us where we can create work, where we shoudl trade and who should be allowed to come to our country.

Leave the EU. Stop ALL immigration and stop ALL aid. Only accept people who are going to CONTRIBUTE to our society on a higher skilled job.

Originally posted by star in a jar
If TPTB want a collapse they will let a collapse happen, otherwise they will start to quietly pump their own funds in the system to keep it afloat, unless an collapse is exactly what they want and when that happens we will see the rise of the private army who answers to corporations and private masters.

This is one of TPTB's 'rainy day' scenarios. People forget that they cold untold trillions of treasure that they have amassed throughout the centuries, planning for a checkmate.

And then you have an unstable and devalued currency. You can't simply print money indefinitely to prevent an economic collapse, it just holds it off for a little longer. Your currency is still devalued, and that affects global trade and living costs at home.

Even if assets are held in reserve (how much does the USA or UK actually have?) they have been out of supply, and adding them to the supply is the same as printing that money.

What we are seeing is the attempt to control the collapse to make the civil unrest and disruption minimal. All the measures we are seeing are designed to be staged and staggered, allowing the collapse to be drawn out over years rather than in one month. And all the while, the wealthy are using it as a method to increase their profit.

Truly independent economists are coming out and gaining a voice against the paid-off "specialists" the MSM has been rolling out for the last three or four years, and they agree that the collapse is coming. No matter what governments do, the € is going to fail.
All they can do is try to slow it down and hope that we don't notice our taxes going up, the cost of food and fuel rising, the bankers walking away to their little island hideaways with billions in bonuses, the collapses and buy-outs of banks and corporations... If it all happened at once, it would lead to those wealthy and those in government likely loosing their heads in the protests - literally.