How Is Our Society Creating These Monsters?

reply to post by TheOneElectric


That movie is indeed a good movie and worth watching, I might do it again. but can't atm

And to the guy about armpits, wow, that is a unique way to look at it.

Here is a vid I like about psychopathy. This vid focuses on psychopaths who are incarcerated violent offenders. It shows you how this kind of brain is physically different from someone with remorse and sympathy.

Not all APDs are violent offenders. You may have dated or been married to one. They are glib narcissists who put everything that goes wrong on you, because it's never them, it's always you.

Well anyway, I think everyone needs a refresher on this stuff, because those PTB who are seemingly above the law and go bombing children in other nations, and establish new laws that criminalize Americans, etcetera, they are psychopaths who are not incarcerated
But should be.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
If Americans want to decrease pedophilia
and all the monstrous crimes associated with hiding it
there is one very simple thing that could be done.

The so called women of the US can quit making
the prepubesent hairless body into an ideal.

The rest of the world finds armpit hair attractive,
and a sign that the person is old enough to be sexually active.

But three generations have had their sexual drives inverted
through the hairless ideals of the fashion industry.

In other words,
our American Pop culture Sexual Icons
have taught everyone to get turned off by hairy pits,
and turned on by prepubesent hairlessness.

I don't blame society.
I beleive this was done on purpose as a form of social engineering.
One can sell more products to people who feel ugly and the _need_ to look younger.

David Grouchy


according to This Article
Depilatory sales are still a growth industry.

edit on 27-12-2011 by davidgrouchy because: (no reason given)

im sorry but this has nothing to do with creating "monsters" who molest and kill children....and other said monsters going under the label of sociopath and psychopath. i cant believe you are blaming women who CHOSE to shave on the monsters of this world....

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

im sorry but this has nothing to do with creating "monsters" who molest and kill children....and other said monsters going under the label of sociopath and psychopath. i cant believe you are blaming women who CHOSE to shave on the monsters of this world....

I accept this rejection of the hairless theory.
I wouldn't believe it either without more evidence.

Could we at least agree it's worth looking into?


David Grouchy

Originally posted by xXxinfidelxXx
reply to post by Miraj

 

In the nature vs. nurture debate, nature lost out a long time ago. Think about it, if you can turn a teenager into a Marine, then society, with all it's flaws and pressures, could plausibly create psychos. Some are a bit screwy at birth, I will admit, but the majority of sociopaths, psychotic individuals or other, are pushed into it by this "wonderful" society that we live in.

That could very well be. I think that a person can only suffer so much mental, emotional and physical pain before they have to "turn off" their emotions in order to protect themselves. Once that happens completely where they no longer feel any emotion at all, they are capable of doing very bad things. They no longer care for themselves or anyone else.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
If Americans want to decrease pedophilia
and all the monstrous crimes associated with hiding it
there is one very simple thing that could be done.

The so called women of the US can quit making
the prepubesent hairless body into an ideal.

The rest of the world finds armpit hair attractive,
and a sign that the person is old enough to be sexually active.

But three generations have had their sexual drives inverted
through the hairless ideals of the fashion industry.

In other words,
our American Pop culture Sexual Icons
have taught everyone to get turned off by hairy pits,
and turned on by prepubesent hairlessness.

I don't blame society.
I beleive this was done on purpose as a form of social engineering.
One can sell more products to people who feel ugly and the _need_ to look younger.

David Grouchy


according to This Article
Depilatory sales are still a growth industry.

edit on 27-12-2011 by davidgrouchy because: (no reason given)

im sorry but this has nothing to do with creating "monsters" who molest and kill children....and other said monsters going under the label of sociopath and psychopath. i cant believe you are blaming women who CHOSE to shave on the monsters of this world....

Uuuh yeah! I'm right there with you! I don't think women that shave their hairy pits are the cause of child rapists and murderers. That's a little 'out there'!

Originally posted by greeneyedleo
Soceity is not creating them. These type of people have always been around....however, thanks to technology, we hear about it more and more.

I truly believe that these monsters are born that way or are bred that way (upbringing)......
but to blame society? If that were the case, then we would all be this way.

IMO.

edit on December 27th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)

IMO "monsters" are created by people who treat these "monsters" as outcasts from the beginning, not everyone turns into "monsters", you can see some of them on the street begging for money, some dies of their wonder drug.

But some of the outcasts are turned into "monsters" by other bad apples, imo these monsters are just f4cked up by other people.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by davidgrouchy
If Americans want to decrease pedophilia
and all the monstrous crimes associated with hiding it
there is one very simple thing that could be done.

The so called women of the US can quit making
the prepubesent hairless body into an ideal.

uhm..wow...for some reason i assumed you were one of the smarter ones here on this forum.
Because, this statement is....BIZARRE.

So you are saying our women need not to shave to reduce pedophilia?

WOW....just..wow...

Yes.
I get that a lot.
Usually people just ask me incredulously "Where are you from"
to which I say "Mars"

No my contribution to this thread are based on ten years of discussion with European Professors and South Asian Engineers. Also in my Travels through Japan and Korea, I never met a woman who shaved their pits or crotch.

I know it's not popular to say this.
I know there are billions of advertising dollars informing the public that I'm wrong and their products are right.

But I think the evidence (when one compares the grooming habits of various countries to their rates of Pedophilia)
speaks for itself.

David Grouchy

edit on 27-12-2011 by davidgrouchy because: (no reason given)

So if the "shaving" theory is correct, then why do some child molesters abuse boys? Also, are there no child molesters or cases of incest in Japan and Korea? If your theory is correct, then there wouldn't be any there right?

How is society not to blame?

so·ci·e·ty/səˈsīətē/ Noun: The aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community. The community of people living in a particular region and having shared customs, laws, and organizations.

No one is born broken, no one is born with knowledge. No one can be "born" anything. This kind of BS has been a disservice to human beings too long. People just don't want to share the blame in horrific acts. Even the worst despotic tyrants were once just innocent children who wanted little more than happiness. So what made them that way-Fear. What brought the fear? Society. No child lives in fear without a traumatic experience. Someone or something gave them that experience. Someone could have helped them. Everyone has a responsibility to others. When you construct a society in which people are consistently bombarded with anti-social imagery and messages then you cannot be surprised when people exhibit profoundly anti-social behavior.

Let us take the argument to another level: If people can be born monsters they can also be born artists right? So I present an Artist:


This is the fiendishly difficult Der Holle Rache from Mozart's "Die Zauberflöte". I hear something all the time that makes me want to vomit, people do this without thinking of the consequences of their actions. They say "Oh you were a born singer". Bull, complete absolute bullcrap. They say this to children, in front of other children. It damages children, the recipient of such praise takes their "gift" for granted and does not work as hard, the other non-singing children believe they will never sing because of this. They will never be able to sound good because they weren't born to, so they never try. But this is all profoundly false and robs children of great experiences. Mrs. Popp cannot sing this rather difficult aria because she was born to do so. If that was the case she would never have had to learn it, Mozart would never have had to write it. We all know that is absurd, of course there had to be creation for this thing of beauty to exist. Mrs. Popp had to spend years training for such a role. The effort was phenomenal and this is even more noteworthy than the performance. Those around her supported this effort and sacrificed their time to make it happen. She would have gotten no where with family to help, teachers to teach and colleagues to give her a chance. It was a group creation.

Take one child and put them into a hateful family with no love, subject them to poverty and no education and watch what you get. Perhaps a few will come out relatively ok, Most will exhibit anti-social behaviors. Take those same children and give them to loving families with security and education and you get something better (most of the time). "Society" is the people you are surrounded by at any given moment. Of course one can argue about "sociopaths" or "psychopaths" but the problem is we live in a society in which such behavior is richly rewarded. If you remove that reward you will see different behavior.

Originally posted by britelite1971

So if the "shaving" theory is correct, then why do some child molesters abuse boys? Also, are there [color=gold] no child molesters or cases of incest in Japan and Korea? If your theory is correct, then there wouldn't be any there right?

The writter has to know that I can't answer an absolute question like that,
as though body hair was the only factor.

I'll let this lady speak for me.


David Grouchy

I never considered going completely bare down below. I mean, that would just be creepily pre-pubescent, right?

The Soap Box: Why I'm keeping my Pubic hair.

reply to post by britelite1971


s/f for the thread Britelite. This is something that I have seen coming for years. The thing to remember is this isn't a "Monster" that appears all of a sudden and is apparent in it's fullness. What I mean is simpley this. This type of person doesn't just happen instantly. It is a slow evoloutionary process. I know I will get some disagreement from some, but that is ok.

Yes it starts with lowering the standard of human decency and morality.The standard that says it's ok to let kids do and say and go wherever they choose , with whomever they choose.The standard that says , let people watch whatever they want and make fun of tradiontional values as long as it's funny and people can llaugh at it on tv or in the magazines you can bring in a whole new standard and get people to just think it's funny . This is a problem because when we just laugh at it as something funny we tend to misss the lowering of the standard that it may replace or suplant.

I have nothing against a good joke or laughter, but in this case what I am talking about is mocking the standards of the family, Fathers, Mothers, God, Faith, Marriage, Parenting and being a Son and Daughter that repects their parents.

This started to come in the 70's ( full boar ) and has ramped up since then. and of course ,last but not least , sexual depravity and pornagraphy. People are inundated with it, online and off. You can't walk into a store hardly without seeing the magazine rack full of it. Children are subjected to it constantly on TV , Internet and so on.

My point is this. People don't get better in regards to what they become and think as time goes on . In the case of sexual depravity, they get worse without help.

The progression often goes something like this. Pornagrphy, More Pornagraphy, child porn, or beastiality, and then even rape or kill flicks. I am not saying that everyone that watches porn ends up at the end of the list. I am saying that those who do wind up in the news for the horrific.offenses like these and craigs list killer etc didn't start full boar as far as the exposure they had to porn . It was a gradual step..

reply to post by CherubBaby


You are so right. I have seen things before about how these things progress. S/F for that awesome answer to my post. Would it be correct to say then that as a person progresses from a beginning level of say like child porn to more hardcore child porn, etc., that it seems less bad to them as they progress? For instance, I once heard a serial killer say on a show that the more people that he killed, the easier it became. Does any of that make sense?

reply to post by britelite1971


That is exactly the point. It becomes an issue of needing more darkness to get the "Rush" if you will. It's the same principal as greed and gambling. Once is too many and a thousand is never enough.

According to the statistics link it does not necessarily indicate an increase in instances of crime due to the fact more people willing to come forward and report crimes. Plus decades ago there was, most likely, higher instances of relatives or friends dealing with perpetrators...aka, vigilantism.

The homicide rate is fairly consistent though and is hard to misrepresent. The rapes are actually an improvement of people willing to come forward to report them coupled by much more willingness to ingest alcohol (to intoxication) so that alone would increase "acquaintance" type occurrences. Considering all factors it does not seem so out of the ordinary.

I could be wrong since i just made a cursory examination of the statistics and not really good figuring out numbers.

To fully appreciate where life is, it takes understanding billions of year of evolution. There are still a lot of gaps and ongoing debates with what we actually do know but some things are pretty clear. Monsters survive until they come across bigger monsters in the jungle. Through the story of DNA we have many ancestors and relations that survived because of what they done, good and bad.

As for where morality first surfaced is still being discussed and proven. Morality has been around for quite some time and is not limited to humanity as many animal species do exhibit compassion, empathy and other core basic moral functions. Consequently with the complexity of life these functions are not present in every individual due to both nature and nurture implications.

With war a predominate part of our recent history an increase in savage and abhorrent behaviour is to be accepted as there is an increased social acceptance of these actions. While there is no profits in peace I fail to see any resolution to this extreme, unfortunate and sad behaviour.

Originally posted by notonsamepage
IMO "monsters" are created by people who treat these "monsters" as outcasts from the beginning, not everyone turns into "monsters", you can see some of them on the street begging for money, some dies of their wonder drug.

Sadly the most deadly of all monsters are not treated as outcasts from the beginning or even recognized for what they are until after the fact. Some monsters meticulously construct a respectable facade that allows their infiltration into society. They are often embraced even valued by a society that all too often makes fatal errors in judgement.

Monsters are given full access to a never ending supply of victims by families and society all the time. Even when something bad happens many still refuse to believe it. They make excuses or deny they could ever be so fatally wrong about something that should be so apparent. People of this mind set unwittingly empower monsters.

It's the old don't judge a book by its cover...if someone seems too good to be true they probably are. The BTK killer is a great example and imo it's the reason he was so hard to catch, he surrounded himself with respectability. Sometimes family members have their suspicions but when the person seems so wonderful it goes right out the window. It's far more palatable believing the lie than facing the possibility that someone you trust and admire is capable of evil.

so you are saying,, what?

reply to post by britelite1971

How Is Our Society Creating These Monsters?

Trough fear, hatred, no patience, ignorance, listlessness, apathy, disillusions, sticking your head in the sand, and never looking at the actual problem for what you don't what to see it as. But most of all. Just not enough love to go around.

But really op this quote has something to do with this subject.

"Those who fight monsters should take care that they never become one. For when you stand and look long into the abyss, the abyss also looks into you." ~ Frederich Nietsche

Some people need help in overcoming there monsters, but in this world we are all monsters on some levels..We just don't look at those levels, or even acknowledge them. And what we do not want to see, does not always go away because we don't want to see it.

And society is no more creating these monsters, then these monsters are creating society, one creates the other just as one is created by the other. It's all just a vicious circle, to change the circle you must first understand the circle.

Unfortunately I must quote the great mustachio once again. Once in a past you will not understand or can really understand and grasp, you all had only two options...Today you have a bit more options. But anyways, witness a part of the circle.

"Cursed I call all who have only one choice: to become evil beasts or evil tamers of beasts; among such men I would not build my home...Frederich Nietsche"

reply to post by galadofwarthethird


Very interesting and deep quotes! You have some good points. We're all capable of doing bad things and hurting others but what makes the difference between those that only think about committing a crime and those that actually do it?

The problem with the news is you hear about an ax murderer in Minnesota and then your afraid of society.

If you didn't watch the news, you would of never, ever heard about it.

The news has always been the same. Crime is lower, its the same crime we have ALWAYS dealt with.

As I always tell people, if you looked at your neighborhood and you never watched the news or read the paper, how bad is it really?