Iran warns oil blockade if sanctions imposed

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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Iran threatened on Tuesday to stop the flow of oil through the Strait of Hormuz if foreign sanctions were imposed on its crude exports over its nuclear ambitions, a move that could trigger military conflict with economies dependent on Gulf oil.

Not could, WILL.


“If they [the West] impose sanctions on Iran’s oil exports, then even one drop of oil cannot flow from the Strait of Hormuz...Our enemies will give up on their plots against Iran only if we give them a firm and strong lesson” the official Iranian news agency IRNA quoted Iran’s First Vice President Mohammad Reza Rahimi as saying.

Right. If you do that, China will be the ones invading you.

No way Iran does that unless the US/Israel starts bombing Iran.




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:48 AM
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are the Iranians High? we can wipe out their whole navy with one sub.

Yes, of course you can. Just like you wiped out the Viet Cong, the Sandinistas, the Somalis, the Iraqi resistance, Al-Qaeda and the Taliban. Oh, yes, and just like you wiped out the opposition when you helicoptered into Tehran on 24 April 1980 and rescued the hostages being held at the US Embassy there.

Some of you just never learn, do you?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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Merely posturing, but will definitely come to pass if UN imposes sanctions or the West imposes a blockade against Iran. Nothing will happen if the West decides not to import Iranian oil, there are other buyers for it.

Iran is not pursuing nuclear weapons and except the creative and lying scum of the world, no one else is saying they are. The only nuclear activities they are engaging in are those that they have a right to under the NPT and all of them are under the supervision of the IAEA.

One legal otpion before the West is to refuse to service Iran's claims over the Western currencies that they accept for oil effectively forcing Iran out of international trade. However, Iran could very well look to non-Western currencies not currently used for international trade as payment for its oil and the supremacy of Western currencies as international trade and reserve currencies will be over.

Since the West doesn't care about international law anyway, they may try to enforce a blockade against Iran, in which case Iran may very well block off straits of Hormuz as they threatened to, by sinking a ship or two there. Iran is likely to respond with the same tactics if the UN votes to impose sanctions on them, but that is a slim possibility since there is no reason for China not to veto such a resolution.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 05:56 AM
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Originally posted by itguysrule
I think Iran may be betting that our current "follower in chief" is so reluctant to use force that he will not do anything even if the oil supply is shut off. The "red line" is going to be if Iran attacks or sinks one of our ships with the loss of American sailors' lives. The American people will absolutely not let that go unanswered. 0bama will be forced to do something or he will be crushed in the upcoming election.


Look up the USS Liberty. We have no problem with our people getting killed and doing nothing about it.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 06:21 AM
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If Iran did that .. they would most likely have a war on their hands a lot more quickly.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Originally posted by milkyway12
If Iran did that .. they would most likely have a war on their hands a lot more quickly.

If they don't, they will be invaded and crushed, like Iraq was, after a few years in which time a few million will have died from the Western blockade and the country is in shambles. It would be silly to choose that option.

So the smart thing would be to block the straits of Hormuz and see what happens.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 07:59 AM
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Iran will be blamed for the coming economic collapse as well as the coming global war.

Never mind that they were bullied into it and the economy was going to collapse anyway, now you have your bogeyman ....

your two minutes of hate may now begin ...

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by MegaMind
Iran will be blamed for the coming economic collapse as well as the coming global war.

Never mind that they were bullied into it and the economy was going to collapse anyway, now you have your bogeyman ....

your two minutes of hate may now begin ...


Who cares who will be "blamed" for it?

If Iran is militarily attacked, it will not just be Iran that will be going down. They will take down most of the world with them. They may not have the military power to directly hurt the West, but they sure as hell have enough missiles to take down the oil installations in the middle east and the "US embassy" in Iraq. After the oil from the middle east goes of the grid for a decade at least, it will be an extremely interesting world to live in



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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My IQ dropped by 10 points per page of this thread. I am now a complete retard.

Seems the same things is happening to many rednecks, neocons and warmongerers in this thread. Except they were already pretty retarded.

USA! USA! USA! USA! USA! USA!



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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What's with all the hubris? Iran could temporarily shut down the Strait of Hormuz effectively if they had to and did it swiftly enough before other navies could come in and intervene. They have a wide arsenal of anti-shipping mines and a few kilo class subs that could hinder shipping of crude for quite some time.


Iran's navy as of 2000 had 20,000 men, but they were young and inexperienced, and most of them were riflemen and marines based on Persian Gulf islands. At higher levels, there had been a fierce rivalry between the IRGC and regular navies for scarce resources. Due to these shortcomings, Iran's three Kilo-class submarines would be vulnerable, and they were limited to laying mines in undefended waters. Mines, however, are one area in which Iran had made advances. It can produce non-magnetic, free-floating, and remote-controlled mines. It may have taken delivery of pressure, acoustic, and magnetic mines from Russia. Also, Iran was negotiating with China for rocket-propelled rising mines.

Iran's navy had held more than a week of war games in the Persian Gulf using tactical submarines and small vessels carrying missile launchers. The March 2007 exercises were the latest in a series of maneuvers staged by Iran's military in the Persian Gulf, where the United States had deployed two aircraft carriers in recent months, a move widely seen as a warning to Tehran over its nuclear ambitions. Though Iran cannot come close to matching US forces, it could cause trouble for shipping in the Persian Gulf and disrupt the flow of oil in the waterway through which 40% of the world's traded oil flows.

Despite having a submarine capability, in the 1990s Iran's navy is neither the best equipped nor the strongest in the region. Upon the acquisition of the Kilo-class submarines by the Iranian Navy, Saudi Arabia arranged for delivery of three upgraded La Fayette-type frigates (armed with anti-ship and anti- aircraft missiles, torpedo tubes and anti- submarine warfare helicopters) and one new Sandown-class coastal minesweeper. Iran's Navy, one of the region's most capable, can temporarily disrupt maritime traffic through the Strait of Hormuz using a layered force of KILO Class diesel submarines, ship- and shore-based antiship cruise missiles and naval mines.


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While not certain how long or how severe of an effect this temporary blockade would produce, Iran could be assured they would be attacked and a wider conflict would ensue.
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Brink of annihilation, how many times have I heard this line...


Maybe it is time for you unplug the internet, put down the Coke can and move to the hills...



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:54 AM
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I dont think Obama is the sole decision maker here, there are a lot of Military elites that probably (speculation) pull his strings and push his buttons (why else could he take a 17 day vacation in the middle of all of this, because he does not run anything)...

Then you have all the other countries that rely on the oil to survive, also he wants to be re-elected... etc...



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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I agree with much of your post.

Who is to blame for the crash of the economy and the wars that are to come?

Doesn't matter?

Really?

If the American public knew what was really going on and who to blame none of this would be happening in the first place.

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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Some people are of the belief America will just wipe the floor with Iran. Ok Afghanistan ten years on from the war and over 70% of that impoverished nation is still controlled by the Taliban. Ya hows that American military might working out for ye over there?

Are some people that dumb in the States do you think there not ready for your attack. Belief me they have been armed by Russia and other nations like North Korea and China for numerous years. In the end the United States, would win the war against a nation like Iran, but there so many factors would might not expect to happen, but does, and there be dire consequences for everyone around the world.

Imagine a Russian engagement into Iran to fight and push out American and Israel forces?. I can't see how Russia would not jump into this fight if this happened, like it will never allow, American troops been stationed and housed that close to their borders without their permission. Its vital Iran has no western influence for the good of Russia, and its security. Personally i think if there was a war it wouldn't be a ground war unless things got out of hand and American felt it wasn''t achieving its aim and goals. First attacks will be by air only hoping to collapse the regime and by sea as well. Because any attack by air. The Iranians would have no other option but try to close to down HORMUZ.

Iran, has shown recently with the take down of a stealth drone. They have more sophisticated technology then the world has given them credit for. So attacker be beware of your enemy before attacking them.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:22 AM
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Ah the plot has thickened.


The U.S. Navy said Iran's threat to block the strategically and economically important Strait of Hormuz is unacceptable.
"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity," Navy 5th Fleet in Bahrain spokeswoman Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday.
"Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated."


www.cnn.com...

Let's see who calls the first bluff. Does the Gulf of Tonkin and the sinking of the Lusitania ring any bells???




posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by majesticgent
Ah the plot has thickened.


The U.S. Navy said Iran's threat to block the strategically and economically important Strait of Hormuz is unacceptable.
"The free flow of goods and services through the Strait of Hormuz is vital to regional and global prosperity," Navy 5th Fleet in Bahrain spokeswoman Cmdr. Amy Derrick Frost told reporters on Wednesday.
"Anyone who threatens to disrupt freedom of navigation in an international strait is clearly outside the community of nations; any disruption will not be tolerated."


www.cnn.com...

Let's see who calls the first bluff. Does the Gulf of Tonkin and the sinking of the Lusitania ring any bells???



This could be the start of something big. The sanctions are biting Iran must be feeling the pinch to come out with this statement now. It wasn't a maybe we'll do this "we will" thats a firm threat or intention to do it. And we know America does have a habit of starting illegal wars to obtain oil and makes commercial profits from it. So any threat to the movement of oil in that region, in the minds of the American establishment, is a direct threat to the interests of the economy of the United States.
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
So Iran threatens the world with a Naval Blockade that isnt realistically sustainable with their outclased Navy. Just wait until they get Nukes.


We should see some real high quality blackmail then


The blackmail will be just as empty. One thing that isn't taken into consideration when war hawks and profiteers are trying to scare the bijeezus out of the empty headed masses, is all the missile defense systems in the region. I remember Patriot missiles knocking SCUD's bound for Israel out left and right. And I'm sure you're aware we have much better systems now. If Iran were to pop one a nuke off towards Israel, it's certainly no guarantee it will make it anywhere close, but what is guaranteed is Iran would be glass since Israel has hundreds.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:47 AM
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Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by SLAYER69
So Iran threatens the world with a Naval Blockade that isnt realistically sustainable with their outclased Navy. Just wait until they get Nukes.


We should see some real high quality blackmail then


The blackmail will be just as empty. One thing that isn't taken into consideration when war hawks and profiteers are trying to scare the bijeezus out of the empty headed masses, is all the missile defense systems in the region. I remember Patriot missiles knocking SCUD's bound for Israel out left and right. And I'm sure you're aware we have much better systems now. If Iran were to pop one a nuke off towards Israel, it's certainly no guarantee it will make it anywhere close, but what is guaranteed is Iran would be glass since Israel has hundreds.


But what if Iran were to fire a 1000 of its best missiles at Dimona what do you think will happen then ?


Anyhow this is situation will only come about if sanctions are imposed on Iran's oil business, and that will have to be voted on at the UNSC which no doubt Russia and China will veto.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by 27jd

Originally posted by SLAYER69
So Iran threatens the world with a Naval Blockade that isnt realistically sustainable with their outclased Navy. Just wait until they get Nukes.


We should see some real high quality blackmail then


The blackmail will be just as empty. One thing that isn't taken into consideration when war hawks and profiteers are trying to scare the bijeezus out of the empty headed masses, is all the missile defense systems in the region. I remember Patriot missiles knocking SCUD's bound for Israel out left and right. And I'm sure you're aware we have much better systems now. If Iran were to pop one a nuke off towards Israel, it's certainly no guarantee it will make it anywhere close, but what is guaranteed is Iran would be glass since Israel has hundreds.


I never understand why attack on Iran is essential because Iran's survival is hoefully depend on Isreal surviving as well. They'll never attack each other with nukes unless they were wanting destruction of each others people and land.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by ken10
But what if Iran were to fire a 1000 of its best missiles at Dimona what do you think will happen then ?


They already have those. I'm referring to the scare mongering about Iran getting a nuke, as if they are too stupid to realize using it would bring a violent and abrupt end to their nation.



Anyhow this is situation will only come about if sanctions are imposed on Iran's oil business, and that will have to be voted on at the UNSC which no doubt Russia and China will veto.


We'll see. Sometimes it seems like they just play good cop/ bad cop, then divide everything up in the end.





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