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believers in jesus...please explain this..

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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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jmdewey again your missing the point of sacrificing an animal. Lets paint you into the picture so you can get it. Lets say you looked at some womans breasts, or something similar. Then lets say you became so infatuated with her that you send her husband off to die, and take her for yourself. Do you think praying after all that The Most High is gonna be like ok!? Not even the Messiah would be ok with that, since we are a bride to him.. so what would happen is that you would have to bring a lamb upto the altar. And the rebbe would then do his part ritually, but it is gonna be you that slides the knife across the neck of the lamb. Because it is a reminder that it is YOUR blood that will be shed because of your sin. Second, you could also bring doves, flour, certain oils.. etc etc. Jesus says the path to salvation, jmdewey is straight and narrow. Why not go and look what it means, instead of letting some pastor tell you otherwise. The straight and narrow path means, you are standing outside the tabernacle and you can see the narrow path to the altar, and the basin. If you went inside you would see the rebbe then tend to the shoe-bread and the lamp stand. And in a straight path you would see the holy of holies, behind the lamp stand and bread. Which the rebbe would be able to enter once a year. So if you still dont think what I am saying is true, then tell me why is it that in Revelations it is Jesus tending to the lamp stand, and tending to the bread? Why is it portraying Jesus like this? Jesus was/is a mystic, a Jew, who read and taught Torah. A supreme Rebbe, if you cannot accept this that is your choice. After reading this you can always go on and worship the empty Americanized idol doesnt matter to me.


Think about it..
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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:06 PM
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what really boggles my mind is this:

I sit here and read this crap and say to myself, eh, whatever, it's no use. Then, i read on and i say to myself, eh, whatever, screw 'em it's not like anything i say will change their minds. Then i read on and say to myself, alright enough is enough, and i sign up with ats so i can comment. well, here it is people, like i said before, was jesus a real person or was he a fairytale? ya see, when people want to talk smack about jesus all i say is one thing, he was real, he walked this land and he was a good man. i dont care if he was black white yellow orange purple green red with a tint of white to make him seem pink, he was real. not only was he real, he was a prophet if you care to use that noun. the difference between jesus and other prophets was the simple fact that jesus said blah and blah happened, jesus said whoop and whoop happened. it is a proven fact that the bible text correlates with what archeologists have recently discovered. in other words, i doubt the gospel writings are a fairytale, i'm pretty sure they were actually writing about their homie jesus who was the bomb diggity and got killed by a bunch of pricks and he was all like yo check it out my dad is gonna be pissed at you and i'ma come back and straighten # out. get it? so whether or not ancient civilizations knew jesus is irrelevant, jesus was the son of god. god said i will give you a son. maybe god was sittin' back lookin' at the situation and he said ya know what, i'm tired of how it looks down there i'ma give them jesus. he will do good by others and preach to the people the word of god. now i'm just getting further into the belief, however, i can talk all night about how god makes perfect sense and their are 5 billion people who will talk back all night about jesus that and jesus this and heaven that and hell this, ..... fact is, when you believe something it is true for YOU. it is real for YOU. so believe what you want! i personally believe that Jesus was not joking when he said what he said. i believe that we were created, not just us, but the entire existence of distance beyond distance. and when you really start to think about how vast our universe is....you still cannot fathom where the heck it came from or how the heck it started. i say.....let all things exist, as long as they can co-exist and live in harmony.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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They are totally divorced idolaters (not all Christians are this way), who worship something totally different then what their supposed to.

Such as Canaanite heathen gods the likes of Baal and Mulock who want the first born sons as sacrifice?
No thanks and I am not an idolater, as you would have it, where I believe you are worshiping bloody stone altars set up as idols in temples.
I worship the living God and He has a name which is, Jesus.
Jesus is the name of God, meaning he is the representation of the character of God and is the name given through which we find salvation. Where you, on the other hand (in my opinion) worship an angel (who appeared to men in former times) as if it was God, thus missing the new name of God when it did show up in the person of Jesus.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
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I worship the living God and He has a name which is, Jesus.
Jesus is the name of God, meaning he is the representation of the character of God and is the name given through which we find salvation


Yeah my point you worship Jesus AS G-d. (Which is idolatry, Which you are not supposed to put anyone or anything between you and G-d) Tell me where does he declare he is G-d? Or any of his disciples!? Jesus wouldn't even allow any of his disciples to even call him "good." I reject what you say with great resentment. Because you have corrupted something that is the essence of life, that is the word. And when you go spewing out these lies, and non-sense you inherently lead others to their doom. Your just another blind guide trying to lead blind out of blindness.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:15 PM
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Jesus is the Torah made flesh!

This is the central theme in Messianic Judaism which is neither Judaism or Christianity but some sort of rationalization to make a composite sort of religion which is not acceptable to either Jews or Christians but the hope is for a small segment of society will fall for it, enough to have something to point to, saying, here is this great bringing together of the two religions when it is really a farce and is the anti-christ of Satan.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:24 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeavenWolf
 

Jesus is the Torah made flesh!

This is the central theme in Messianic Judaism which is neither Judaism or Christianity but some sort of rationalization to make a composite sort of religion which is not acceptable to either Jews or Christians but the hope is for a small segment of society will fall for it, enough to have something to point to, saying, here is this great bringing together of the two religions when it is really a farce and is the anti-christ of Satan.


LMAO this is totally hilarious.. tell me what word was around at the time of Christ!? Why is the Messiah constantly written about throughout the Torah, and the writings of the Prophets? Tell me where do you get your foundation, without Torah you would have no realization of what is good or evil.. please stop trying to rebuke me because you are making a fool of yourself. When the messiah comes again it will be a messianic era, so the people who are messianic or are jews but recognize Yeshuah (Jesus) as their Messiah are anti-christians!? Jesus is an anti-Christ!? Yeah, you better get in check with what is actually written, and not what some Catholic Methodist Presbyterian Priest or whatever ever other flavor there is..just sayin
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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:26 PM
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Correct, before Calvary the blood of animals only covered sins. Atonement for sin happened at Calvary.
I'm sure you would like to quote a verse for that, right?



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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What?? Ezekiel was prophesying to the demonic powers behind the throne of Tyre. Adam was never perfect in beauty, he was never full of wisdom either. It's addressing Lucifer. Heck, Adam wasn't even created in the garden, he was placed in the garden by God after he was formed from the dust of the Earth to work and to keep the garden.
This is some really odd-ball philosophy if I have ever heard one.
Did you get this from a Misler video?
I'm sure you will want to quote some Bible verses to back this up, right?



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by HeavenWolf

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by HeavenWolf
 

Jesus is the Torah made flesh!

This is the central theme in Messianic Judaism which is neither Judaism or Christianity but some sort of rationalization to make a composite sort of religion which is not acceptable to either Jews or Christians but the hope is for a small segment of society will fall for it, enough to have something to point to, saying, here is this great bringing together of the two religions when it is really a farce and is the anti-christ of Satan.


LMAO this is totally hilarious.. tell me what word was around at the time of Christ!? Why is the Messiah constantly written about throughout the Torah, and the writings of the Prophets? Tell me where do you get your foundation, without Torah you would have no realization of what is good or evil.. please stop trying to rebuke me because you are making a fool of yourself. When the messiah comes again it will be a messianic era, so the people who are messianic or are jews but recognize Yeshuah (Jesus) as their Messiah are anti-christians!? Jesus is an anti-Christ!? Yeah, you better get in check with what is actually written, and not what some Catholic Methodist Presbyterian Priest or whatever ever other flavor there is..just sayin


Of course the Torah is about the Messiah.

The Son of Man IS the Messiah.

The Son of Man is the physical representation of the Holy Spirit, spirit of life, within all mankind.

So, while it is One man, at one time, it is a representative of all of us.

Now unless you have 7 billion sets of eyes, or are willing to see through those eyes, that they may speak as one, well then you probably can't fathom the concept.

With Love,

Your Brother



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:33 PM
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grow up christians.

its pathetic watching you defend your imaginary friend with your fairy-tale book

even if we could explain all of life and existence with 100% good old science the christians would not believe it because it is against what their book says and they are too guilty of the sin of pride to admit that they were wrong. so, its pointless to try, they will just have to find out when they die and in the mean time i hope they stay out of my way and all end up killing each other over religion i just hope i dont get caught up in the crossfire



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical
 

Correct, before Calvary the blood of animals only covered sins. Atonement for sin happened at Calvary.
I'm sure you would like to quote a verse for that, right?


Special Pleading Fallacy.

I do not see a single Bible verse you've presented above to back up your posts.



Special Pleading is a fallacy in which a person applies standards, principles, rules, etc. to others while taking herself (or those she has a special interest in) to be exempt, without providing adequate justification for the exemption. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


Fallacies: Special Pleading

When you begin to provide Biblical support for all your replies and posts then I'll begin to take seriously your request for others to do so. In the meantime, save your fallacies for others who are ignorant to their irrationality.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:37 PM
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its pathetic watching you defend your imaginary friend with your fairy-tale book



Then why are you in the religion forum clicking links where Christians congregate to discuss religion and Theology?



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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. . . you became so infatuated with her that you send her husband off to die, and take her for yourself. Do you think praying after all that The Most High is gonna be like ok!?

This is sounding like David and in the story, your god of the most high places, Moloch, takes the first born son.

Jesus was/is a mystic, a Jew, who read and taught Torah. A supreme Rebbe . . .
That's just a made-up part of your anti-christ religion.
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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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I'm not saying I am supreme, nor that I could even fathom seeing out of 7 billion different eyes. Actually I encourage people to look inward, because the more they do the more they will be able to be real with themselves and move closer to the throne through the acts of the Messiah. I am not condoning Christians, not at all, I am for the salvation of every man woman and child, but I do not like it when people just post things that are not true. I guess the old proverb rings true, every man is right in his own eyes.

Peace



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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I'm sure you will want to quote some Bible verses to back this up, right?


Wait, let me get this straight again. I need to provide biblical support for claiming that the verse mentioned is NOT talking about Adam, yet you don't feel the need to provide any Biblical support that the verse you addressed IS talking about Adam?




posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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Originally posted by k1k1to
according to many religions...mostly christianity


the way to avoid damnation and eternal punishment in hell....is to accept jesus christ as your lord and savior.

my question is? what about the mayans? the ancient egyptians? the incas? cavemen etc...what about them? how were they to accept jesus christ as their savior when he wasnt even born yet? are they to live in eternal hell for this?

how were the natives living in north america supposed to know jesus was born? why was he born in a certain part of the planet, and not the other? that doesnt seem fair..


i hate paradoxes


This may be hard for you to understand if you have no faith in our saviour, but there has been a few Christians whome Jesus has actually given visions of hell too. Here is one of Mary K Baxter if you click the link.

spiritlessons.com...


As a faith believer in Christ, I believe Mary K Baxter account in my spirit. But of course, when I say in the Holy Spirit this means nothing to a person who does not believe, but to those who do know the power of the Holy Spirit we know it leads us and we are given the gift of discernment through it,

Mary explains in her account that Christ actually went to hell to release many people before he came to earth, I believe this is because these people had no knowledge of him, but when he presented himself to them in hell the ones who believed would have been saved, If you read her account you will see many in hell are still ignorant to believe Christ is the true God. They would rather hold their idols than escape from hell.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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In the Bible it is written that Everyone is born with a consciouns
Everyone knows that lying is wrong,just like killing,stealing,having sex with another lady that is not yours.
And God will judge all the decisions that they took in their lives.

Of course everyone makes mistakes.But they will be sought trough if they repented for what they have done..

I hope this helped....rply if you got more Q's



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Tell me where does he declare he is G-d? Or any of his disciples!?



Thomas:

"My Lord and my God."


Jesus doesn't rebuke Him, He tells Him that later on people who do not need to see and touch His wounds are blessed for coming to the same conclusion he did.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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This will be the third time I said this today, same guy, different costume, different name. The creator judges you on your actions here on Earth regardless of who or what you believe in. Why would he punish his own childeren for learning the wrong way?? Are we responsible for the mistakes our ancestors made.....NO, if you are brought up to only learn and know what you are told, and it is wrong, does that make you guilty?? My God judges his people based on the heart and intention. It drives me mad that some people think that he is cruel and intolerant, he will forgive anyone who is truly sorry. We are his childeren, anyone who has kids of their own can understand unconditional love, that is what he has for everyone, regardless of what they have done, and that will never change.
But God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 5:8

PLPL



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