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The Bible: True Prophecy From God, Or A Playbook For TPTB? You Tell Me.

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posted on Jan, 7 2012 @ 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by sacgamer25

the problem with your viewpoint here is that Jesus has already assured us that the gates of hell shall not prevail agaainst the church.

He said the gates of hell will not prevail against HIS church.

You believe the catholic church is his church.

That does not make it so.

With Love,

Your Brother

posted on Jan, 11 2012 @ 07:07 PM
reply to post by OldCorp

is the bible a lie ? absolutely!
can you think of a better way to control the masses while a few lead the world away from all things that are truly of importance.?
and how did they do it ? why they invented a ponzi scheme known as the worlds banking system ,and they put a price on every thing in this world . it is all about greed and money. it is not about us the people or nations it is all about who wants to play GOD.
the Rothschild are famous for this and they bought and sold every government and every body with this system of mass is proven fact that this family wants to own and control the world and they rule it today as if they were where are our governments to help the people nowhere as their hands are tied by THE LAWS OF MEN.correct me but the bible i was brought up stated that the LAWS OF MEN WERE NOTHING COMPARED TO THE LAWS OF THE CREATOR.
for all of you sinners who partook of this madness and insanity and you all bought your way into hell -for lack of better terms that the majority will understand.
you contributed to the rape of the forests ,the lungs of this world or the planets which give us oxygen from our waste by products-for creature comfort and money.
you raped the fish out of our oceans as we have overpopulated worst than rabbits.for profit.
you contributed to the extinction of the worlds creatures .for fun and profit.
you contributed to the poisoning and polluting of the worlds land air sea your own selves and your own children ,your own future and destiny ,and these things make you intelligent.for profit.

NOT IN ANY ONES BOOK ,like a great comedian once said -YOU CANNOT FIX STUPID.
and yet it seems a few men and their minions seem hell bent for hire to prove this book to be the truth.
funny thing is there used to be 9 letters above the Christs head on the cross not the lying 4 that our churches put up there for all to see and believe and if any of you understood the so called good book nothing was to be changed altered or erased from it . and yet the heads of our churches did this in the late 60`s to early 80`s. they in fact erased what is known as the alpha and the omega his true first and last name -JESUS - was not you remember what the heads or all of these churches said that day ,i do ;quote -what was written there was not the truth as this is their new truths as they say?.the last time you will find this truth is in the 1929 to 1939 editions of the big family bibles -still trust them as they used to tell us all give us your old bibles and we will give you new ones ,what a lovely way to lie cheat and deceive the masses as to their heresy`s and the sheep did follow and do as they were told . what better way to destroy the truth and get away with it.and these same priests told us over and over that money is the root of evil and yet they pass the tray for cash for what -to save--OUR IMMORTAL SOULS. IF THEY ARE AS THEY SAY IMMORTAL WHAT DO WE NEED THEM SAVED FROM .

so why is it that a few so called good men are trying to make these so called prophesies come true in this day and age.-considering that the church burned people as witches and worst for saying that they could see things or heal others.
back to the Rothschild it is said that they own 500 trillion dollars or 1/2 of the worlds wealth,and they have never ever been audited,holy crap what is wrong with this what are they Zionist Israelite or the so called CHOSEN PEOPLE according to the tale they have preached to the world through the bible.chosen for what to rape the world and its resources and people .talk about misled fanatical fanatics due to their religion . this means that as the new pope said a couple of years ago quote -if you are not catholic you are of an unclean faith .what a load of crap ,the best thing going on in this world right now is that the people are leaving the harlot churches in droves and record #`s ,keep up the good work good people of the are on the right track .
question them all even your brain dead to their mind numbing arrogance and ignorance.
even though they the man and his brain dead minions are passing laws world wide that will allow them to lock us all up and throw away the key keep it up. the last time we the people saw this type of crap laws being brought in it was by NAZI GERMANY towards the jewish people well it is about to happen in every nation in this world all to keep the money and lies flowing and no one is allowed to speak their mind.
FREEDOM OF SPEECH IS NOW GONE. come little sheep do as you are being told as this is their truth`s not our`s.

posted on Jan, 17 2012 @ 09:28 PM
reply to post by OldCorp

i have an interesting question for you .
the bible states that when he returns he will destroy 3 groups of people !
who are they? remember his words!
the great armies of the world
the great governments of the world and
the great churches of the world.

and what 3 groups seem to be playing god in this our world ?
i wonder if he knew way back then who the true anti -christs really were.!see the 3 above.
lets see the governments that told us we had to make war and pay for it .the military`s that KILLED all to protect what because it is not our countries or our people as they seem to die in the millions during these conflicts that our politicians seem to start .and they forced us the people to pay for this madness and insanity . remember do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
these same 2 groups unleashed the fire that would destroy us all and then they gave it to the rest of the world as long as you are their allies. GERM ,CHEMICAL ,NUCLEAR , BIOLOGICAL ATOMIC WARFARE,AND NUCLEAR ENERGY.AND THEY ONCE AGAIN FORCED US TO PAY FOR THIS MADNESS.
and where were our churches who propose that they are doing GODS WORK ,hiding their heads in the sand when all of this is going on here and they are doing nothing more than lying to us all and putting their hands into our pockets just like the rest of them.and this has been going on for centuries . some things never change ,but then to we the people also known as the slaves of the world have always done as they have said -as we know no other way .because every time we kill them and their kind- more fools stand up to take their places .like Marie Antoinette said let them eat cake ,funny a lot of the worlds people can no longer afford bread once again.
all because the worlds churches ,leaders and military once again put greed ahead of all things that are important ,and it is nothing that they back or support.they are our worst enemy from within our nations so why can`t you the people see them for what they really are .
self serving lowlives.

posted on Jan, 19 2012 @ 03:41 AM
You have hit on an interesting point...TPTB do use the Bible to try to falsely fulfill prophecy....

Let me explain.

The whole point of all these luciferian secret societies who make up the power structure of the TPTB are working towards the goal of bringing their god Lucifer to power to formally become ruler of the Earth and receive worship by the masses instead of all the behind the scenes stuff he has been doing for most of the last 6000 years, only showing himself sometimes to his chosen 'initiates'. What they are putting in place is the control grid, laws, and economic calamity that will create the necessary environment that will cause the most people to be deceived in believing the false second coming of Jesus. Satan can change his shape into any form and has some decent supernatural powers (he was the highest created being before he rebelled against God because he was jealous of the angels in heaven that paid worship to Jesus and not him). Before Jesus comes, Satan is going to come and counterfeit His return (even having the nail holes in wrists and legs and performing various miracles). In a lead up to this he will try to fulfil various other prophecies such as the battle of Gog-Magog.

I say falsely fulfil this prophecy because the common understanding about it being between various countries is not Biblically accurate. The Bible says that the Battle of Gog-Magog is after God's second coming, after the 1000 years that God's people (symbolically referred to as Israel in the Bible) spend with Him in the Heavenly city (NOT on this earth), and this battle finally occurs when Jesus returns to Earth for the third time with God's people in the heavenly city and God resurrects all the wicked for them ready to receive Judgment. It is at THIS POINT in time that the battle of Gog-Magog is, when Satan rallies his troops and inspires the wicked mob that they will be able to take the heavenly city that now has come to rest on the surface or the earth.

The battle is not literally against Israel, it is symbolically against Israel, all those that are God's people (those that keep God's commandments and love Him). The whole point that the US needs to protect Israel the country because it is in Bible prophecy is not true.

The powers that be use biblical prophecy to further their agenda because most Christians have such a weak understanding on prophecy that they can easily be misled by false interpretations that would fulfil the agendas of TPTB when they are needed. They didn't just create the nation of Israel after the second World War for no good reason (discussed in the letter in 1871 Albert Pike the then head of Freemasonry wrote to Mazzini the then head of the illuminati).

Albert Pike letter that he wrote to Mazzini, Dated August 15th 1871 in which he outlined plans for three world wars that were seen as necessary to bring about the One World Order. For a short time this letter was on display in the British Museum Library in London and it was copied by William Guy Carr, former Intelligence Officer to the Royal Canadian Navy

"The First World War: to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia (protectors of Orthodox Christianity) and bring about an atheistic communist state.

The Second World War: To originate between Great Britain and Germany. To strengthen communism as antithesis to Judeo-Christian culture and bring about a Zionist State in Israel

The Third World War: A Middle Eastern War involving Judaism and Islam and spreading internationally." William Guy Carr, 'Satan
rince of This World'..........Doc Marquis, "Secrets of the Illuminati"

Albert Pike, "We shall unleash the nihilist and the atheists, and we shall provide a formidable social cataclysm which in its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity,...will receive the pure light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer...the destruction of Christianity and atheism. Both conquered and exterminated at the same time." ('Forth Reich of the Rich', Griffin p71,72)

Communism used by TPTB to destroy Christianity in Russia from 1917 revolution planned by the Jesuits (who created both Freemasonry and the illuminati to destroy protestantism because after the reformation the Catholic church hand already been outed by all the reformers as being the Sea Beast power/Little horn (rev. 13/daniel 7) and could not carry out such willful destruction of God's people under its own name any longer).

What most people don't recognize is that it is the Vatican and the Jesuits that created and are ultimately behind all the secret societies controlling them. Check out the testimony of the illuminati defector Svali and what she says about the still ongoing role the Vatican plays in all these events. And further top video on all this

You should find excellent detailed info on this link about the biblically accurate understanding of Gog-Magog Battle

edit on 19-1-2012 by JesuitGarlic because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 16 2012 @ 11:21 PM

Originally posted by Elsha
reply to post by Edward Palamar

2. Islam rejects the christian concept of the Trinity and the Koran even asks and answers the question of whether God can have a Son and the answer in the Koran is no God cannot have a Son. Allah and the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are not the same God. This is not just an illusion but a literal epistemological difference. The history of Islam also indicates Allah is not Yahweh. Mohammed chose Allah among many pagan idols of his day in an attempt to stop polytheism and bring in Monotheism. Allah was a moon god.

There is better interpretation here :

It is a miracle that the simple command "recite" brought forth the Holy Koran. Allah is the Arabic for God, but in the Holy Koran, use of "allah" is by the devil speaking for himself, who admits to his fall in the closing chapter. The preface for these details can be seen as such :

The Crusades center upon control of Jerusalem, the city where Jesus Christ was crucifed, resurrected and taken up to Heaven.

Hapless murdering was not the goal of the Crusades. Historically, the bulk of the warring centers upon a simple misquote of the words spoken by Jesus Christ. The misquote centers upon the procession of the Holy Spirit from the Father. The misquote is in the form of an addenda, the addition of the words "and the Son". Christ specifically taught that the Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father. Though the Father and Christ be One, and the Father has handed everything over to Christ, this mechanism of procession remains unchanged, for He Who glorifies the Son is the Father : in the words of Christ : "I am the Vine, My Father is the Vinedresser."

The custom of adding the words "and the Son" in Ritual Worship began as early as the end of the 4th century. The logistics of Heaven's response to this was to send an angel to a descendent of Ishmael to correct an error begun through the descendents of Isaac, Ishmael and Isaac being brothers via Abraham. The correction was given in a simple command "Recite", for if those adding "and the Son" to the Creed in worship were to check Scripture, they would see their error.

It wasn't until the Pontificate of Leo III (795-816) that the matter came to be seen as a definite error. Eric John, the editor of "The Popes", sums it up this way on p. 132 :

"It is difficult not to see that the addition to the Creed is both in accord with Scripture and reason, and the pope could do nothing but support it."

By this time, Islam was already on the rise in response to the angelic apparition, burgeoning with similar error. Even today in Jerusalem, there is the muslim quarter, the Christian quarter, and the like, remnants of error and correction from centuries past. Yet, through humanity's struggle in that city, the Cathedral of St. Anne, the mother of Our Spotless Virgin, has remained intact, a sign of Christ's legacy and leadership.

posted on Feb, 17 2012 @ 01:44 PM
reply to post by IAMIAM

no I do NOT think that the Catholic Church is the true church. Not at all.........

posted on Mar, 3 2012 @ 07:59 PM
I made a movie regarding this. The elites know how it all ends and have joined sides a long time ago.

Here is Part-1

and Part-2

posted on Mar, 4 2012 @ 12:09 PM
reply to post by JesuitGarlic

Jesuitgarlic...that was refreshing to read coming from someone else...haha. I agree with pretty much everything you noted and im sure you must have put the time in reading etc etc to sort it all out. One thing I wanted to point out to you in case you never read it....there is a great book out written by Peter Lemesiur called "The Armeggedon Script".

Great book and the author is an insider, I believe through the New Age. However the book does contain a lot of information pertaining to how the Illuminati deals with bible prophecy etc etc.

The author noted that the Illuminati is not dumb enough to think that bible prophecy will not occur. After all, in the end, Satan is the head of the Illuminati (as we dont wrestle against flesh and blood but principalities and powers)........and Satan knows that bible prophecy will be fulfilled.

When the illuminati attempts their fake second coming and produces the Beast System, they WILL FOLLOW THE BIBLE. I think that some things may be out of the illuminati's hands such as Wordwood etc etc. However things like Messiah re-building the temple, sacrifices again in Israel, miracles signs and wonders etc etc, the Illuminati will try to fulfill these in any way they can......

anyways great book, check it out at amazon if u never read it.......

Oh by the way, David Bay of cutting edge ministries who cover the New World Order and the Illuminati went to a conference involving Lemesiur and other occultists/illuminists. At the conference, when it was asked during question and answer who would be the religious leader of the Global religion, the answer was The Pope...(Whom I think could be the false prophet of Revelation 13 (unless the United States itself is the False Prophet as some theologians think may be possible)

posted on Mar, 5 2012 @ 04:18 PM
How about both?

Everyone seems to think its like God Vs Satan, round 1, round 2 etc.

It's a playbook for TPTB because they must complete the prophecies as they are commandments from God. God creates good and evil. God is omnipotent, omniscient, and omniscient, three key facts that everyone forgets when discussing TPTB.

posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 04:59 AM
reply to post by DelayedChristmas

true enough but although God allowed Satan to afflict Job, Satan still did the afflicting......TPTB will have to face whatever it is they have done just as all humans who are not born again will have to answer for what they did

posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 05:27 AM
reply to post by Elsha

Yes, satan did the afflicting, but it was God that allowed satan to do it. God creates both good and evil; satan must obey God because he is a creation of God, but his rebellious and prideful state is what led him to what he is now from what he used to be, the most beautiful angel, and he will pay for his actions

posted on Mar, 6 2012 @ 05:58 AM
Everyone forgets that inspired scripture clearly states that God uses the wicked to destroy the wicked. He sets up a kingdom to accomplish punishment and correction to His people then has another wicked group to destroy the first. And we forget that the wicked do not understand ANY of this, that they are completely led around to fulfil His wishes and to fulfil His plans.

Non-believers have to be given earthly excuses for everything that happens, like "HAARP", earthquake generators and weather modification. But what believers know, without a doubt, is that it doesn't matter HOW earthquakes are increasing but rather the fact that they ARE increasing. "Nations rising against nations" refers to ethic/race wars. And who is fueling and pitting that within society? The wicked. And who will fight race against race? The wicked. His righteous of any race will embrace and hold firmly together as the body of Christ and will not succumb to the propaganda. "Kingdoms rising against kingdoms" are wars between countries. Again, the wicked leaders will be brought against each other, fulfilling His plan. Pestilence and famines are being engineered and released into the world by the wicked which will bring hunger and death to an ever increasing multitude. But the adherents to this new age religion" have been brainwashed to believe that this is "acceptable" to cleanse their beloved "mother earth" and they are actually relishing the idea of watching untold billions perish. Again, they'll never understand that evil hates them and that "mother earth" won't do a darn thing for them as they succumb to their beloved evil and wicked MANMADE religion.

Just as Noah preached the coming of judgement for 120 years, people scoffed and laughed and went on in their daily earthly life. The same thing we see today in the nations of the descendants of Christians. Everybody has been given time on this Earth in a physical body, and the vast majority don't give any thought or time to an eternal existence beyond what we know. The nations of the descendants of faithful Christians have been taken down spritually with most of the youngsters believing the controlled media lies that they were created by "aliens" and most of the "Christians" have succumbed to false gospel. But for those who do not ask to see the Light of Truth, it means a time of confusion and blindness to the rising tide of evil because THEY LOVED NOT THE TRUTH AND SO BE SAVED.

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