Originally posted by DB340
Appreciate your words and undersand them but I am not sure how I hung up the phone when I physically responded to an emotional feeling which was quite new to me; that of me putting a large TV into my nice car and a homeless man being turned away by an unkind woman. Surely I'm the nice guy here? He didn't even come to me... I went to him
Christopher Hitchens died of cancer - he didn't 'deserve' it, some say he did deserve it (which is a little cruel, I think) but, generally speaking, nobody deserves cancer as a killer. It's beyond our control, though.
I genuinely believe that ANYBODY (let's move on from homeless people, shall we?) can make a difference in their life simply by creating opporutnity. What you put it will usually come out in your favour. Sometimes you'll get bonuses and sometimes you'll lose a bit, but all in all, you'll have balanced, 'worthy' life that you deserve.
As I said, I stacked shelves. Technically, I would have had an uninteresting life. Not massive support from family and a simple, 'poor'-ish life both financially and reward-based. But, I chose to jump into the French language a while back, find a job teaching English in France (paying for a TEFL certificate and getting distinction) and living in France, meeting a French girl etc etc,. I still see a few similar faces when I go home to that same Tesco! Imagine. 7 years later, I am here and they are still stacking shelves. They may be happy but they have what they 'deserve'. That's all. I'm not saying if it's a better life or requires more brain power. They have what they deserve (stacking shelves for £1200/month) because they put in just waking up and going to work and going home. I, however, moved abroad and already have a huge list of experiences, three foreign languages, 1 of which used as an interpreter (the other 2 in the making) and other things I don't need to list now but which have occured through effort and 'deserving' them.
It's about effort and creating opportunities out of thin air. Send an email, set up a meeting, publicise a talent, create a portfolio of work and present it to established people/organisations, travel abroad and get a cheap simple job cleaning plates in a restaurant kitchen, pick up the lingo, walk in mountains in Italy, basque in the sun on your day off on a beach in Greece. Such opportunities don't require huge effort yet can lead to unbelievable experiences.
If anything, I'd like to hope at least one person feels a little inspired to change their life for the better after reading my words. After all, I'm not looking for confrontation. I'm still young, have many things to learn and experience and many people to meet and enjoy.
But it won't happen sitting outside a shop.
All countries have their share of poor people, some more than others. If there are rich people, then there must also be poor people. You can't have one without the other. Everyone has the ability to work hard and get ahead in life, but not everyone will get ahead in life. Some times a person might lose their job because another employee lies and sets them up. Or the collapsing economy might cause a business to let go of employees to cut costs, or even worse the whole business could go down and all the employees could go jobless. Situations like this could force a person into debt, they might even lose their home and become homeless if they can't find another job and house fast enough.
Because I chose to not stand outside a shop and beg.
Why did he get the fiver if he didn't deserve it? How do you know he didn't do something productive with that money after you were kind enough to show him some consideration? Those magicians you were talking about, why did they help you out? Did they expect you to pay them? Imagine if no one had the decency to help another person unless it benifited them in some way. You will find that you are where you are in life because many different people have helped you get there, and you've helped others get where they are in life. If life was just a constant competition between everyone and no one helped out their fellow man when they were in need, this world would be a very, very, sad and lonely place my friend. Some times you need to go with your heart instead of your mind.
To the homeless man: I want my fiver back. Go and do something with your life.
Originally posted by DB340
The homeless man was what got me thinking about people having what they deserve. People know that most homeless people will drink or buy drugs. Heck, you even SEE them everywhere you go with bottles and cigarettes. You're from the UK it says... well, we have a few towns and cities with homeless people. If the majority smoke and drink from the money they are given, how is that seen as doing them a favour?
Second, my post is primarily about anybody who should realise the world is full of opportunity and that, no matter your material wealth (from birth or acquired, and no, I am not 'rich', I just enjoy rewards from my created opportunities) you should have the same choices about how you live your life: as a good, intelligent person or as a bad, stupid person. You can be both from a poor or rich background. History and current news events show us that is true.
That's all I'm saying, really. Nothing about being better and nothing about selfishness or living a wonderful life. I have tons more things to do; I haven't even done half of it yet! But, as I've said all along, it won't happen by doing nothing. Doing nothing can be sitting outside, stacking shelves or wasting my life on YouTube, for example.
It was this, that I hoped people would pick up on more than anything else.
Originally posted by MischeviousElf
You certainly do,
And in one of the most famous Near Death Experiences ever recorded that man may have made some very important choices before he came to earth, and certainly not about 5 quid lol
Near Death Experiences The Famous and Documented 3.5meg PDF
Her book, Embraced by the Light, became a New York Times bestseller. Her NDE is considered to be one of the most detailed and most profound NDEs ever documented. The argument can be made that her NDE and book was responsible for causing other experiencers to come forward with their own NDEs, thereby proliferating the knowledge of the NDE to millions of readers.
Wanting to explore the universe, she is escorted by two light beings into the vastness of space. She travels to other worlds similar to earth having intelligent beings on them. She returns to the garden and is taken to a place where many spirits are preparing for life on Earth.
Her guides show her a drunken man lying on the sidewalk. They ask her what she sees. She sees only a drunk wallowing in his own filth. Her guides show her who the man really is. They reveal to her the man is filled with light and love and who is greatly admired in the spirit world for being a reminder to people of the need to help others.
Originally posted by DB340
There is only so much I can write to keep up with things. I didn't respond to each situation individually because I wanted to be brief without ignoring you.
The person who stood in front of the tank. What did you think would happen to him? If I walked in front of a tank or two, I would expect to eventually be arrested and other things happen. I mean, there is sensible protest and there is senseless protest. He got what he deserved, which isn't always positive, as I have stated in other posts. The thief will get what he deserves in the form of imprisonment. The hard worker will be rewarded by more money or a promotion. The traveller will be rewarded by memorable experiences and interesting people to enrich his life and knowledge. The man who reads books will become knowledgeable. It's cause and effect, no? If you stand in front of a chain of tanks, I can't really imagine a positive outcome to be honest. It might be 'unfair', just like dying of cancer (as seems to be my running example), but it was 'deserved'. Think about it - the people who didn't stand in front of the tank... they didn't get killed, did they? No. Quite. If I said I was going to do that, everyone (correctly) would tell me I'm an idiot. There are more successful ways of protest.
I can't be sure that every homeless person is there through choice or not, it goes without saying (so why do I have to say it!?) but everyone should agree that a 'large majority' of them do indeed use money for drinking or buying drugs.
I'll say again, since some people seem to be missing my point:
Creating opporutnities results in reward. People don't just spring up homeless on the street, do they? They travel in a downward spiral until they arrive there. In the same way people living lives they don't want to live usually do not create opportunities to move up and away in their lives.
Please stop using homeless people as a counter-argument. He was what got me started on 'reap what you sow' - my thread is not entitled "Why homeless people are homeless", it is entitled "People get what they deserve", and that includes rich people and poor people as well as homeless.
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by DB340
I have a couple of small thoughts on your Opening Post. One, is the idea that we get what we deserve. I sincerely hope not. I rely on forgiveness, mercy, and kindness on a regular basis. "Treat others as you would wish to be treated."
Two, it's not about the guy in the street. It's not about his choices and his life, who can know those? It's about you. Do generosity and kindness flow from your heart? Can you love those that others hate? Are material things your measure of success?