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What Really Happened in Roswell 1947?

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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:07 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic911
Ya know, most days I totally believe a UFO crashed in the desert that July. Other days, I think it was something else. Common sense tells us no level of technology in 1947 could still be classified today, unless, of course, it was extraterrestrial. The only other explanation I can think of is that we were experimenting with Nazi technology and we didn't want the public to find out. We all know about Operation Paperclip and the great lengths the government went to conceal the true identities of the German scientists. I don't think the public was ready to find out post-WWII that our ballistic missile programs and early space exploration program was run by Nazis.

And not to forget that the Nazis reportedly recovered a crashed alien spacecraft and tried to make copy of it. And that Braun reportedly witnessed one of the crashed Roswell UFOs and the alien bodies with reptilian like skin.



Hell, even the Manhatten Project was able to be infiltrated by spys. How could UFOs not be? If you consider the time of the country during the atomic age and all the levels of compartmentalization that General Groves was responsible for, and those programs became infiltrated with spys, how could the Roswell incident not be infiltrated? Unless there was nothing worth infiltrating? Just a thought...


The Russian KGB spies were all over the United States, and lots of communist parties, it was Stalin's vision to make the whole world to be one communist state. There was the fear against communism, even Walt Disney was involved in the fear against communism and he reportedly called his employees "Communist sympathizers" because his employees demanded their salary to be increased.

The Russians' relation to Roswell


What do the Russians know about the most celebrated of all UFO crashes, the July, 1947 report of a crashed disc outside Roswell, New Mexico? Our next interview made it seem apparent that, even in the 40s, the Russians weren't buying the weather balloon explanation of Roswell being proffered to the American people at the time by the US military. The interview was with Valeriy Burdakov, a man who, to my knowledge, has never granted an interview to a Western journalist. In the 1950s, Burdakov was a scientist at the prestigious Moscow Aviation Institute, birthplace of the Soviet space program. Burdakov's interest in UFOs led to lectures on the subject, lectures which came to the attention of Sergei Korolyov, the dean of Soviet rocketry and the founder of the Russian space program. But Korolyov did not admonish the younger Burdakov; instead he confided in him.

As the now-60-something Burdakov relates, Joseph Stalin invited Korolyov to a meeting in 1948. The dictator brought Korolyov to a room where, spread out on a table, were piles of material and information collected during a top secret study. Some of the information was gleaned from reports of Soviet operatives in place in New Mexico at the time of the alleged crash. Stalin was anxious to know, what did Korolyov make of this reported crash of a UFO near Roswell?

"Korolyov told Stalin the phenomenon was real," said Burdakov. "He told him the UFOs were not dangerous to our country, but they were not manufactured in the United States, or any other country. Stalin thanked him and told him his opinion was shared by a number of other specialists." Burdakov says he has no doubts about the extent of the American government's involvement in the UFO phenomenon. Several branches of the American military, he says, are involved in active research and study. "We know that the United States Air Force possesses plenty of material," says Burdakov. "The U.S. Navy has a big amount of material as well. We know that special orders have been given to keep all materials secret. When curious people ask for the materials they are told they're not there, that they've been destroyed."




posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 04:37 AM
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Originally posted by DanielET
I think the space craft either crashed on purpose or it was shot down by the US military.

Chief Golden Light Eagle "Standing Elk" mentioned that he was in "contact" with one of the Star races who told him of 18 UFO crashes in 1947 from 10 different star races visiting Earth, because "she" lost focus for just one second that allowed the combination of Atlantean forces, the experimentation of Radars and lightning storm to cause the UFO's engine/guidance system to malfunction that lead them to crash. And he is not the only one who mention about Radar. Bob Dean also told that Philip Corso mention his alien encounter at White Sands were the alien reportedly "asked" Corso to turn off the Radar so he could leave with his UFO. "Standing Elk" mention the combination of Atlantean forces, the experimentation of Radar and lightning storm that caused the UFOs to crash. The alleged briefing on UFOs to Ronald Reagan mention at least two of the UFOs that crashed during a storm, so that could be the lightning storm as "Standing Elk" mentioned. Another thing "Standing Elk" mentioned is that one of the surviving aliens was killed by a soldiers' rifle butt, which corroborates with this


In 1947, according to Barnett's statement, he was summoned to White Sands, New Mexico, and on June 1 went to Washington, D.C. on orders from Major General Clements M. McMullen, deputy chief of the Strategic Air Command. From D.C. Barnett and sixteen others ("mostly medical" personnel) were sent back to New Mexico to a crash site southwest of Socorro. Roswell is 163 miles from Socorro. Barnett's orders were to film the removal of debris from the crash site. He had clearance to all areas, which at that time he was told was the scene of a Soviet spy plane crash.
When Barnett got to the crash site the area was sealed off by the military. It was obvious upon arrival that the device in the desert was no Russian warplane. It was a "large disc," a flying saucer, lying upside down. (One wonders how Barnett could tell if the disk were right side or wrong side up, disks usually being described as symmetrical).

The soldiers could not approach the wreckage for some time, as it was radiating a lot of heat. Even more extraordinary were the four beings lying beside the crashed saucer. Barnett's account sensitively refers to these beings as "Freaks." The "Freaks" were screaming and clutching small boxes close to their chests. Barnett apparently arrived while it was still dark, since he says the army could not move in on the downed saucer and the "Freaks" until six A.M. The "Freaks" screamed louder as the GIs approached, and refused to give up their mysterious boxes. One soldier hit a "Freak" with the butt of his rifle and thereby persuaded the creature to part with its apparatus.

Three of the beings were taken away still alive. The fourth was dead (killed by the blow of an M1 butt?). The medical team was reluctant to treat the strange beings for their injuries, but they overcame their fear and rendered assistance. Barnett went on to film the wreckage. His statement describes the broken-up debris as being from exterior struts that supported a smaller disk on the underside (now up?) of the large saucer. The corpse of the dead "Freak" was packed in ice.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Originally posted by Cosmic911
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It would be great if I could find an example where this "preemptive debunking" was used during WWII. I agree my idea is far fetched, but it isn't easy to explain that ridiculous initial press release.


I don't think its far fetched; God knows our government has done stranger things.

Ya know, most days I totally believe a UFO crashed in the desert that July. Other days, I think it was something else. Common sense tells us no level of technology in 1947 could still be classified today, unless, of course, it was extraterrestrial. The only other explanation I can think of is that we were experimenting with Nazi technology and we didn't want the public to find out. We all know about Operation Paperclip and the great lengths the government went to conceal the true identities of the German scientists. I don't think the public was ready to find out post-WWII that our ballistic missile programs and early space exploration program was run by Nazis.

Hell, even the Manhatten Project was able to be infiltrated by spys. How could UFOs not be? If you consider the time of the country during the atomic age and all the levels of compartmentalization that General Groves was responsible for, and those programs became infiltrated with spys, how could the Roswell incident not be infiltrated? Unless there was nothing worth infiltrating? Just a thought...


I agree that the Soviets would have quickly learned the truth about Roswell (whatever that was). There must have been Soviet informants living all over New Mexico to spy on RAAF and White Sands and Los Alamos. If there really were crowds of civilians at the crash site then one of those civilians was probably a Soviet agent. Plus Donald Maclean was giving copies of everything that passed through the British Embassy to the Soviets.

On the other hand, the Soviets would never tell anybody what they learned about Roswell. I think some intelligence records were looted when the Soviets lost power, so maybe those have clues.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 08:47 AM
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Brings up another important factor in the Roswell case though. If not at the time, then soon after, Russia had fully penetrated our intelligence network, as evidenced by the many high-level spies that were caught (not even considering those that were not). So, yeah, there's a good chance that the Soviets had full knowledge of the results of Roswell.

If it was simply something we or another power made, that crashed, it would have easily come out by now.

I first went into the Roswell case fully expecting to be able to prove the Mogul explanation was correct, but the deeper one looks at it, the more that explanation simply doesn't fit the facts or behavior of the military during the incident.



posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by cloudyday
On the other hand, the Soviets would never tell anybody what they learned about Roswell. I think some intelligence records were looted when the Soviets lost power, so maybe those have clues.

At the era of the Soviet Union everything was secret in the Soviet Union. Russian citizens were not allowed to reveal anything, even the Soviet military people were not allowed to reveal anything except to their own superiors, otherwise they would be considered as betrayers of the Soviet Union if they tried to reveal anything, get punished like for example being sent to prisoner camps in Siberia, and/or forced to get down on their knees and get shot in their neck as death sentence. Yeah, everything was secret in the Soviet Union, even the reports of UFO sightings and Extraterrestrial encounters were considered as TOP SECRET. It was first after the fall of the Soviet Union that Russian reports of UFO sightings and Extraterrestrial encounters began to show up. For example some former Soviet Cosmonauts began to speak openly about UFO sightings in space after the fall of the Soviet Union, and former Soviet military test pilot Marina Popovich and one of the heroes of the Soviet Union began to speak openly about UFO and extraterrestrial encounters during international UFO conferences, after the fall of the Soviet Union. Marina Popovich claim that the Russian Air Force and KGB have fragments of five crashed alien spacecrafts in their possession.

Western journalists and investigators were first allowed to visit Russia to interview some of their citizens after the fall of the Soviet Union, like for example interviews like these


What do the Russians know about the most celebrated of all UFO crashes, the July, 1947 report of a crashed disc outside Roswell, New Mexico? Our next interview made it seem apparent that, even in the 40s, the Russians weren't buying the weather balloon explanation of Roswell being proffered to the American people at the time by the US military. The interview was with Valeriy Burdakov, a man who, to my knowledge, has never granted an interview to a Western journalist. In the 1950s, Burdakov was a scientist at the prestigious Moscow Aviation Institute, birthplace of the Soviet space program. Burdakov's interest in UFOs led to lectures on the subject, lectures which came to the attention of Sergei Korolyov, the dean of Soviet rocketry and the founder of the Russian space program. But Korolyov did not admonish the younger Burdakov; instead he confided in him.

As the now-60-something Burdakov relates, Joseph Stalin invited Korolyov to a meeting in 1948. The dictator brought Korolyov to a room where, spread out on a table, were piles of material and information collected during a top secret study. Some of the information was gleaned from reports of Soviet operatives in place in New Mexico at the time of the alleged crash. Stalin was anxious to know, what did Korolyov make of this reported crash of a UFO near Roswell?

"Korolyov told Stalin the phenomenon was real," said Burdakov. "He told him the UFOs were not dangerous to our country, but they were not manufactured in the United States, or any other country. Stalin thanked him and told him his opinion was shared by a number of other specialists." Burdakov says he has no doubts about the extent of the American government's involvement in the UFO phenomenon. Several branches of the American military, he says, are involved in active research and study. "We know that the United States Air Force possesses plenty of material," says Burdakov. "The U.S. Navy has a big amount of material as well. We know that special orders have been given to keep all materials secret. When curious people ask for the materials they are told they're not there, that they've been destroyed."

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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 06:09 PM
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Originally posted by Gazrok
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Brings up another important factor in the Roswell case though. If not at the time, then soon after, Russia had fully penetrated our intelligence network, as evidenced by the many high-level spies that were caught (not even considering those that were not). So, yeah, there's a good chance that the Soviets had full knowledge of the results of Roswell.

If it was simply something we or another power made, that crashed, it would have easily come out by now.

I first went into the Roswell case fully expecting to be able to prove the Mogul explanation was correct, but the deeper one looks at it, the more that explanation simply doesn't fit the facts or behavior of the military during the incident.


For me, that initial press release has always been the most bothersome fact. Most of the other facts of Roswell are decades-old recollections and rumors, so a skeptical person can simply write them off. But everybody must accept that the initial press release really happened. Why did it happen? It would be interesting to see what the Soviet intelligence experts thought, because they apparently did investigate Roswell (according to Anunaki10's sources). Apparently they decided it was a UFO, but the details of their reasoning would be interesting.

It is hard to imagine anything that the government would want to hide for 60 years. And if the crash really was a Mogul balloon, the only interesting debris would be the sonobuoy which looked like a long thermos bottle. Nobody could mistake Mogul for a flying disc and using the flying disc as cover for Mogul would draw enormous attention to something that the Soviet agents might not have noticed.

On the other hand if a flying disc did crash, then the press release could not have been an accident. No responsible person would have approved an honest, open release of such a monumental discovery - especially when nobody had any understanding of the alien intentions or capabilities. Imagine the panic if the story had not been immediately "debunked". It's very fishy.
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posted on Jan, 23 2012 @ 08:01 PM
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What Really Happened in Roswell 1947?


Well let's see now...

For five months that year, silver metallic flying discs were seen flying in formation all across the United States on a daily basis, displaying impossible speeds and maneuvers, causing a growing panic among the public.

Then in the middle of all this, one 'crashed'.


So is it really so hard to guess 'What Really Happened'?







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posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by cloudyday
It would be interesting to see what the Soviet intelligence experts thought, because they apparently did investigate Roswell (according to Anunaki10's sources). Apparently they decided it was a UFO, but the details of their reasoning would be interesting.

Yeah, the KGB spies were everywhere in Western countries, including New Mexico, even inside Pentagon, EVERYWHERE! And the Americ ans worked so very hard in their attempt to send out an Americ an astronaut in their attempt to be the first man in space, but suddenly on April 12, 1961 Dear Comrade Cosmonaut Yuri Gagarin became the first man in space instead and became a hero of the Soviet Union, and automatically got a high position in Kremlin. The Americans were bad loosers, the Americans were mad, sad and frustrated that it was NOT an American who became the first man in space, and employees of NASA then said >>Damn Russians!



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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Roswell is a waste of time to keep bringing up. It has been clouded by idiots, morons and glory-hounds to the point where is has all the trappings of nothing more than an urban legend. Save for one thing......

I am well loathed around these parts, because I don't ignorantly swallow the loads of bunk posted here on a daily basis, I also have the ability to use common sense, reason and logic, so that ticks a lot of gullible believers off too....however.....

That being said......how in the world could such a press release happen? I don't get it, if there was something top secret to hide, surely they could have come up with another release such as "Experimental craft crashes in dessert, 2 two killed". Heck, if they came out with that release it probably wouldn't have even been picked up by the news wire and the whole thing would have blown over.

There is something to Roswell, highly doubt it is alien related, but I often wonder what they were really doing there (and I don't buy the whole weather balloon thing, as your average idiot could know the difference between balsa wood and tinfoil compared to something other-worldly.)

Unfortunately, there is no point in getting into it now, as the whole story has been ruined by legions of useful idiots over the years.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 09:16 AM
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Originally posted by MainLineThis
That being said......how in the world could such a press release happen? I don't get it, if there was something top secret to hide, surely they could have come up with another release such as "Experimental craft crashes in dessert, 2 two killed". Heck, if they came out with that release it probably wouldn't have even been picked up by the news wire and the whole thing would have blown over.

They obviously thought they could just release about the RAAF captures Flying Saucer just like that, and they obviously thought they didn't need permission from Washington. And obviously Washington was obviously not prepared that their own locals like for example the Roswell Army should release that kind of headline, so that's why they had to come up with a cover story in such a hurry, and unfortunately for they didn't had any better cover story than the fake weather balloon story at the time.


There is something to Roswell, highly doubt it is alien related, but I often wonder what they were really doing there (and I don't buy the whole weather balloon thing, as your average idiot could know the difference between balsa wood and tinfoil compared to something other-worldly.)

There were lots of UFO sightings before as well as after Roswell, and i think the nuclear bomb testings at New Mexico may have drawn attention to the UFOs.



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by MainLineThis
Unfortunately, there is no point in getting into it now, as the whole story has been ruined by legions of useful idiots over the years.

Well, at least there is the revealing Ramey memo, and the Roswell debris tested. General Ramey was ordered to make that fake weather balloon story, but later he decided to turn his back on the United States Shadow Government by saying about the Roswell debris >>It was out of this world, Son. Out of this world!



posted on Jan, 24 2012 @ 03:45 PM
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Hi Mainline

Have you read THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL by Lt. Phillip Corso (who handled some of the Roswell Wreckage with his own hands and took a 'sneak peak' at the floating Alien Bodies (3 of them) suspended in glass coffins in a blue liquid when he was a young military man on post at FWAF (Fort Worth Air Field, Texas) in July 1947 ?


Also have you checked out the TRANSCRIPT of the TELEX in the hands of General Ramey in the 'crashed' BW weather balloon pics ?

Please see the transcript (below) of the US Army Communique dated 9 July 1947 – digitally-enlarged using the most recent Computer Enhancement Techniques (sort of using CIA photo-technology against them…) and can now be read.

It seems from the US ARMY Communique that a ‘DISK’ with ‘VICTIMS OF THE WRECK’ were recovered by the US Army then shipped to Wright Field via Fort Worth TX which aligns with what Lt Phillip Corso wrote in his book THE DAY AFTER ROSWELL…and that the Weather Balloon Story was INDEED a Big Cover Story to fool the masses into submission….

ENLARGED TEXT # 1

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[…that some o]F THE AVIATORS IN THE “DISK” THEY WILL SHIP FOR: A1 – 8th Army AMMC BY B-29 ST [special transport?] OR BY c-47 WRIGHT AF [B] stop.

ASSIST FLY OUT AT ROSWELL A[F]B stop.

ASSSURE THAT CIC TEAMS SAID THIS – WHICH MIS-STATES MEANING OF STORY & THINK LATER TODAY NEXT SEND OUT PR RELEASE OF WEATHER BALLOONS WWOULD FARE BETTER IF THEY ADDED – LAND D E M or a W I N

- Ramey”

ENLARGED TEXT # 2

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“…FWAAF [Fort Worth Army Air Field?] ACKNOWLEDGES THAT A ‘DISK’ WAS LATER RECOVERED – NEXT TO NEW FIND WEST OF THE CORDON stop

IN ADDITION WAS A ‘POD’ NEAR OPERATION AT T.R.I. ‘RANCH’ WHERE WAS FOUND VICTIMS OF THE WRECK YOU FORWARDED TO ARMY SAS AT FWAFF

- Ramey”

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Having read this photo evidence, how can you say that the IDEA of alien / inter-dimensional / time-traveling 'visitors' is all bunk?

Aren't you overlooking some of the very PRIMARY EVIDENCE when you dismiss the alien hypothesis out of hand?

Then there was the evidence of the US Army using TESLA RAY against these encroachers near Los Alamos Nuclear Test site - to say nothing of the more than 50 (mostly credible !!) eyewitness-testimonies to not only what the US Army was up (including local mortician Glenn Dennis) to on Mac Brazel's ranch but also several persons (Mac Brazel's son for one) who handled the wreckage with his own hands and saw first hand that it was 'not of this world' i.e. all those Shiny Liquid Aluminium pieces that 'could not be burned, scratched, punctured, penetrated, kept in place after being twisted (went back liquid-like into EXACT original shape when bent) ....or otherwise damaged...

Smoking Gun? You'd have to be quite a skeptic NOT to be impressed by some of the primary evidence...especially since the San Antonio, New Mexico (August 20-23 1945) crash witnessed by two 9-year old Mexican boys Remigio Baca and Jose Padilla - who managed to secret away some pieces from the craft they snuck on to when the Army 'was having their lunch'...(now securely locked away in an Albuquerque Safe Deposit Box and will be examined by professional labs for Aluminum Content in 2012) - these two are still very much alive - two LIVING eye witnesses who actuall SAW WITH THEIR OWN EYES live (crashed) alien EBE's after the initial August 20 1945 Crash

LINK

www.rense.com...



posted on Feb, 12 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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Listen to what this guy here on www.youtube.com... at 56:01 says in the next part of the video, in www.youtube.com... at 1:30:28 about Roswell. Then make up your mind.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 02:58 PM
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Originally posted by Rolci
Listen to what this guy here on www.youtube.com... at 56:01 says in the next part of the video, in www.youtube.com... at 1:30:28 about Roswell. Then make up your mind.


Thanks for the links.

I'm not interested in UFOTV presentations for the most part but these are rather better than most.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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Look at some interesting facts...the Air Force released their explanation in the 90's and in that explanation they admitted there were bodies(dummies) and there was a craft made of strange material to the layman. Kind of funny but if you look at it that way they admit it happened for sure. Now I ask if it was a Mogul balloon as they said it was why were there bodies of dummies with the crash wreckage...not only that time traveling dummies from experiments conducted in the 50's. They also say folks got the time frame of reference off and it occurred in the 50's...if that is true then how did as the AF admitted did Brazel find it in 47 since they say 'yes' he found ballon parts in 1947. Just going on facts and these are the facts as the AF presents them in their official report.

Also, weigh into account that if you have ever handled or had to exposure to nuclear weapons...the military takes it serious and they like bright intelligent people handling and delivering them and if these folks were from the first atomic squadron, why would they tell their commander they found a disk? or why would said commander tell press he found a disk? jump forward everything after the Army Air Force's explanation every single person...all of them...mistook what they observed and handled...all of them? Seems even the military didn't know what they had either since their press story was recanted...why? Do they not know the shape of a disk?
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posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 07:31 PM
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As much as I would like to believe an alien spacecraft crashed at Roswell in 1947 I just can't. For the following reason:

Mac Brazel was the guy that originally found the debris, you can google him and read his testimony, but basically it goes like this;

He found some material scattered around one of his fields, this material was so un-awe-inspirng that he didn't even bother to examine it at the time, he just left it there.

He returned 3 weeks later to have a closer look at it. He described what he found as "balsa wood sticks, rubber strips, tin foil, scotch tape and a small fin glued to a surface". He said he collected most of it and put it on the table in his shack, he estimated the total weight of the material to be about 5 pounds. There's no mention of a huge gouge, a disk or alien bodies, all this was added over the years to give momentum to something quite ordinary.

From the description Brazel gave I think the most likely explanation is that it was a project Mogul balloon string or something of that ilk. Sadly I think there's nothing extraterrestrial to the Roswell story at all.

If you just read Brazel's testimony it will save you a lot of money on all of these fanciful ET yarns, you can just put a line through them.

I also think that Brazel's testimony is deliberately overlooked when people write about the Roswell story, you hear of Marcel, Cavitt, and Ramey all the time, but Brazel very rarely, and when you do hear of Brazel the detail of his testimony is very rarely mentioned.

How many of you knew there was a 3 week gap between Brazel finding the material and actually taking a close look at it for example?

How many of you are familiar with his description of what he found?

Does anyone out there really believe you could build a vehicle capable of inter-stellar travel from the sort of components you could pick up from any hardware store for $10.00?



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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I feel your points are valid. However do we know when Brazel said what he said above?..before or after the military got to him?



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 10:26 PM
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"The miltary got to him" is the standard response from the true believers.

I think Brazels acoount is true and accurate for the following reasons:

1) I apply the 'Occams Razor' approach to analysis, the simplest answer is usually the right one. Is it more likely that a balloon string made of materials that closely matched those described by Brazel crashed in the field or an alien spacecraft capable of inter-stellar travel. I would suggest the former. An alien space vehicle capable of inter-stellar travel is going to be constructed in a way we couldn't even imagine today, it would be capable of generating enormous amounts of energy, it's not going to be brought down by us, the weather, or some kind of systems failure, it just wouldn't happen.

2) Brazels description of what he found matches a Mogul balloon string extremely closely, even down to the 'flowers' on the balsa wood sticks. Mogul was supposedly a super secret project, if the military had got to him they would not have allowed him to describe what he had found. The story from Brazel would have have been "I found some material in my field, the military guys looked at it and found it was a weather ballon". That would have been so simple, not the story that he gave which attracted attention.

3) Brazel says he found the material in the field and didn't look at it closely for 3 weeks, nuff said really, this was before even the sherrif got involved, I believe this account to be true, it just 'feels' true to me, if whatever was in that field was interesting he would have reported it right away. I doubt this is what the miltary told him to say.

4) The story has become more and more fanciful over the years, because Brazel didn't mention any alien bodies a second crash site had to be invented where the bodies were found. This is how the story has expanded over the years:

There's a crashed disk. When there wasn't enough debris and no sign of any kind of propulsion system there had to be another crash site where most of the craft, including the propulsion system came down. Enter the second crash site where most of the craft is located. Then there are dead alien bodies at the second crash site. Then there are dead alien bodies and one live alien found at the second crash site. And so it goes on expanding and expanding as more books with even more fanciful claims appear.

The bottom line is people like a good yarn and are prepared to pay for it.

I wrote a novel recently about some UFOs being detected on radar over the UK in 1991 and the ensuing military involvement. When I read some of these books that are put forward as truth I sometimes think I should have done the same, claimed it was a true story. I would probably make a fortune.



posted on Mar, 8 2012 @ 11:17 PM
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Good stuff there. Don't read any context into this question...but why did folks say he was completely different after the military questioned him and he actually never spoke about it in the open again. I'm intrigued by your response and it's definitely thought provoking and very valid. But what about Brazel going to the Proctors and showing them this wood like plastic that wouldn't burn? They said he said it was pretty darn odd and wished they would come checkout what he found but they didn't bother to go. Also, like Stanton Friedman states the balloon itself was not classified nor what it was made of...but what the ballon did was classified. Had nothing to do with the military's reaction to the event...the guy basically found some uneventful sky garbage go pick it up no big deal Roswell is nothing. I bet tons of those gallons went down all over the place we should have 100 Roswells by now. I have to agree you with you people do like a good yarn.
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posted on Mar, 9 2012 @ 12:37 AM
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Darkstar12:

I think the main reason Brazel involved the sherrif in the first place was that there was a reward out for the recovery any flying disks, after Kenneth Arnolds sensational claims there was a bit of 'saucer mania'. Brazel recalled the "sky garbage" and thought he would show it to the sherrif under the 'you never know your luck' protocol.

He thought he might get some cash for this "sky garbage", not get rousted by the military.

When it comes to that family you mentioned I have no idea, I don't recall reading that part. If I had to guess I would say this is most likely an enhancement that was added later.

With regard Stanton Friedman, his favourite phrase is "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I'm sure there are preists etc all over the planet that would agree with him, and if I wanted to flog some books about this stuff without being able to produce a skerrit of evidence I would probably agree with it too, but it is nonsense. I would say documents without provenance should be discarded. Simple as that.

As far as Mogul being classified goes, I would think that if a project is classified, the military are not going to want any aspect of that project revealed, that's what "classified" means isn't it.

Can you imagine: "Sorry I can't tell you anything at all bout project Mogul, but I can give detailed schematics and construction plans for this high altitude balloon string project that we're using to listen for Soviet nuke tests and missile launches that just happens to be based at the same location as Mogul ". Yeah, right, of course, wouldn't doubt that for a minute.



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