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Originally posted by antonia
I'm confused, last I checked you didn't even like liberals. Why are you worried about who they vote for?
Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Southern Guardian
If were going to criticize, investigate, then it should be applied to equally.
As far as I know, Obama supporters and liberals in general were doing olympic-class contortions to explain away Wright and give as much distance from Obama as they could.
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I don't understand racism allegation charges against the only one on the podium that doens't want to continue bombing brown people and putting blacks and hispanics and of course whites in jail for non-violent crimes.
Ron Paul is against the war on drugs, NOT because black and Hispanic people use drugs, but because it's a Libertarian stance.
Ron Paul is against the war in Afghanistan, NOT because the people are brown, but because of his Libertarian stance.
Using Paul's libertarian stances and pretending that he has these positions because of some sort of empathy for minorities is a really sick and racist way to think, IMO... And I'm not talking about you. He said the same thing... He used his position on the war on drugs to refute the racist newsletters...
Hey, I want to end the war on drugs - that proves I like black people!
Originally posted by peacemaker55
He is for freedom and liberty for every american citizen, right?
Well... That's what many would say. And that's what HE would say... But he wants to overturn Roe V Wade and allow states to make abortion illegal... As a woman, I don't feel that he places MY freedom and liberty very highly... The more I learn about him and his followers, the less I like him.
Originally posted by proximo
Ok I have a question - how do you want him to defend himself against a charge of racism. Obviously just denying isn't good enough.
But fine assume he is a racist, you basically admit in this post you don't think it would affect his policies because he values his libertarian ideals more. If that is true how would his racism really harm anyone if we was actually a racist.
it is completely a nearly irrelevant issue.
Originally posted by Southern Guardian
I'm sure you don't me answering this question in my own view?
Originally posted by proximo
Ok I have a question - how do you want him to defend himself against a charge of racism. Obviously just denying isn't good enough.
No it's not good enough. If you found 'hate whitey' newsletters from the 90's or 80's with Obamas name as the author, from a newsletter he clearly is linked to, and he merely denied having any part in them, would you be so quick to just accept his excuse? I'm fairly certain you wouldn't.
How can this issue be solved? Well if Ron Paul is so sure he didn't write it, the ghost writer himself could come out and admit to writing it under Pauls name, with evidence of course. There are many pointing to Lew Rockwell as the author of all these racial newsletters, but Lew already denied any responsibility for them.
Originally posted by proximo
But fine assume he is a racist, you basically admit in this post you don't think it would affect his policies because he values his libertarian ideals more. If that is true how would his racism really harm anyone if we was actually a racist.
I think Paul is deep down a racist, and I base this belief on his position that state governments should have the power to enforce Jim crow laws on American citizens. His positions against the SCOTUS rulings of Brown vs Board of Education, Loving vs Virginia, lawrence vs Texas point to me as him holding some kind of a racist bigotted belief.
Originally posted by proximo
it is completely a nearly irrelevant issue.
Abortion is certainly not an irrelevant issue. There are many folks who wish to outlaw abortions, or atleast return powers to their State governments to outlaw it. Ron Paul wishes to do exactly that, he wishes to overturn roe v Wade.
This isn't about the decisions needed to be made by the individual, this is about control, this is about giving state governments unprecendented power over the Individual American. Ron Paul wants this, as do his supporters.
Originally posted by TinfoilTP
The racist Ron Paul Newsletters make him unvotable by liberals, because they would have to abandon their overwhelming minority support in doing so.
Originally posted by proximo
Well, if it was a newsletter from 20 years ago, he disavowed it, said someone else ghost wrote it, and his voting record showed he did not think like a racist, than yes I would discount it greatly.
So what if he truly doesn't know who wrote it, then what?
Originally posted by proximo
Well you didn't answer the question I asked, again if he values the rights of individuals over enforcing some federal racist policy why does it matter?
How does giving the states the power to write their own laws and not be beholden to federal laws racist?
The states were always supposed to hold the true power in the nation according to the constitution not the federal government, he just wants it returned to the way it was.
Giving people laws at a more local level gives them more control over there own lives - more freedom.
It is not unprecedented - it is a return to the way the nation was founded
Originally posted by proximo
The only reason you don't want state rights is because you want to dictate your beliefs to the whole nation.
Originally posted by krossfyter
can you please answer this point souther gardian. im enjoying the discussion but i would like you to answer this one specifically. thanks.
Originally posted by proximo
The only reason you don't want state rights is because you want to dictate your beliefs to the whole nation.
I want a big government with little or no waste associated with greed, that truely represents the people as much as it resembles corporations. Big government is not our problem, our problem is a severe conflict of interests!!!!!