Are the stories of 911 "jumpers" true?

Originally posted by Starwise


I have my Time Magazine which has the spread, google it. I do not have a scanner to scan it, and they are packed away nice and safe. As far as some of the jumpers, I watched it LIVE on TV. You can google falling man on 9-11 images and he was real, he looked like he was falling in the shape of the Tarot Card The Hang Man, HIM I will never forget.....

If the point was to spread propaganda, I would think TV and Life magazine would be fine mediums, hence the topic of this thread.

We're talking about the WTC. To my knowledge there are no such images of bodies charred to the bones, and every image I've seen of the alleged jumpers was a fraud.

You cannot have seen an image from a jumper jumping 100 something stories down on concrete - but there is some footage where you can see the reddish tint from a distance...and there is a footage of firemen inside the building and you can hear the THUDS of the people splashing to the ground.

You can not have seen an image of a body because a body from 100 stories high would be "liquified" it would literally explode. There wouldn't be much left of a body.

HOWEVER - there are some pictures of jumpers where it looks they are on fire and on occasion it looks like their arms/bodies are black and burnt down to the bone...while they're falling down.

There is also footage of other people seen waving in the holes...and footage of people waving but being on fire or smoking. (That famous woman in the impact hole footage, for instance).

Furthermore, there is ENOUGH footage where you can clearly see people trying to escape, trying to change floors by climbing from the windows etc...then slipping and FALLING...despite the other, countless footage of people "jumping" and falling...some from pretty close up.

Why do we even need to debate this silly subject?

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Ahh I just watched the video in the post....LOL Her argument to me does not prove anything. AND I cant help what I am about to say next BUT, did you see her NAILS? YUCK. Her right hand had nail polish on and you could see the dirt under her nails with polish. Her left hand nails were also gross WITHOUT nail polish!! Believe it or not that is a huge tell tale sign of her mentality......How is that for some PSYOPS LOL!!

re:

"Propaganda and 9/11 Footage"


it wouldn't be the first absurd claim of how footage was doctored for the sake of "propaganda". There is just a little flaw:

When 9/11 happened, in one of the biggest cities of the world with the biggest media coverage and countless news and TV channels - LIVE TV coverage started basically immediately once it was known that a plane hit a tower.

This was even *before* it was known that we're dealing with a terrorist attack - there was already copters i the air and footage broadcasted from the first minute on.

There was simply not enough time to "fake" footage - unless you want make us believe that all the footage shown this day was "pre-made" or some other, bizarre theory.

Of course, this does not account eye witnesses and real people (fire fighters etc.) which saw that stuff with their own eyes.

Originally posted by flexy123


Why do we even need to debate this silly subject?

Why is this silly subject automagically true? Because it's so horrific? This is the nature of the big lie.

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Originally posted by flexy123
re:

"Propaganda and 9/11 Footage"


it wouldn't be the first absurd claim of how footage was doctored for the sake of "propaganda". There is just a little flaw:

When 9/11 happened, in one of the biggest cities of the world with the biggest media coverage and countless news and TV channels - LIVE TV coverage started basically immediately once it was known that a plane hit a tower.

This was even *before* it was known that we're dealing with a terrorist attack - there was already copters i the air and footage broadcasted from the first minute on.

There was simply not enough time to "fake" footage - unless you want make us believe that all the footage shown this day was "pre-made" or some other, bizarre theory.

Of course, this does not account eye witnesses and real people (fire fighters etc.) which saw that stuff with their own eyes.

"Live" TV isn't.

Why would you think the footage would be premade? I guess that does make sense though...what proof do we have of the timestamps of these images. Are there any negatives? With thousands of witnesses, there should have been plenty of non-digital cameras at work.,,surely hundreds of photos can be verified, right?

I have already linked to Leslie Raphael's piece that the firefighter's claims are to be taken with a large handful of salt:

Originally posted by septic
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Yeah, the "thumps" are my point. The sound drums up that gut-wrenching horror. From Leslie Raphael:

26. Yet another staged scene : top left (43:32), Pfeifer giving a sly look to his left, as if waiting for a prompt, his aide Ed Fahey on the right of the picture, fiddling with something out of shot, and between them in the centre, Mike Hurley, Director of Fire Safety at the WTC, staring at something in the distance (the shot opens with a close-up of him doing it, then widens out). Top right (43:33), Pfeifer has apparently been told to look down at his radio — as Fahey is already doing, perhaps. Bottom left (43:33), the start of their head movement as they allegedly react to the crash of someone hitting the ground outside the building, after falling or jumping from the upper floors. Bottom right (43:33), their final position — looking in three different directions — different from each other (compare picture 8b, another fake reaction shot), and different from where each was looking in the first frame — before the camera swings left (west) towards the front of the building. Hurley switches from east to west, Pfeifer from downwards to south-westwards and Fahey from down to south-eastwards.

Something like 200 people were killed that way at the North Tower between 8.46 and 10.28, an average of one every 30 seconds : are we really supposed to believe this would be the reaction of people in the lobby every time they heard that sound ? That 200 times, they would instinctively jump and look around them, to see where the noise was coming from ? The head movement is obviously deliberate and scripted : the crash is arranged, and so is their reaction, down to different directions designed to create artificial suspense.

Source

Here's a thread that really digs into the question.

I have 2 questions about the WTC jumpers

So my question is: You have been researching 9-11 for 10 years? Are you under the assumption that it was an inside job and your goal is to expose it? If that is the case, why is it hard to believe in the jumper theory? I guess I am missing your point of view. You believe there were jumpers or people who fell off the edge or you do not? If not why exactly? How would it tie into your belief of 9-11 AND did you lose somebody in 9-11? What exactly made you interested in digging so deeply? What sparked your desire? I am interested and not trying to poke any fun. What do you think is the ULTIMATE purpose of it all anyway?

All I know is there was a choice for those people stuck up there . Take a 5 second plunge or suffer burning alive for 5 minutes. I would rather jump personally. Now if it was all photoshop or not . What would you do in a situation like this .

reply to post by GoodOlDave


As other users have shown, your link was bogus.

Is it possible the jumpers were just another act in the propaganda play that was 911?

Can anyone provide anything other than the claim that there were jumpers? The images appear to be false...are there any genuine ones out there?

It's like the claims of molten steel running like a river...no images.

As a cleanup crew how would you deal with river of molten steel? Would you tackle it while it's molten or wait till it cools? If it cooled, then there should be images of a hardened lake of steel somewhere. See how these lies fall apart?

There should be proof of jumpers, but all that's offered are hearsay and doctored images.

Originally posted by freedomSlave
All I know is there was a choice for those people stuck up there . Take a 5 second plunge or suffer burning alive for 5 minutes. I would rather jump personally. Now if it was all photoshop or not . What would you do in a situation like this .

Sure, do you think the behavior modification specialists at the CIA would have come up with a less compelling story?

I have been in life and death situations before so I can tell you with certainty I would do whatever it takes to survive, and since to jump meant certain death, that would mean trying to take one of the three fire escapes, as we would have trained to do through regular fire drills.

Originally posted by Starwise
So my question is: You have been researching 9-11 for 10 years? Are you under the assumption that it was an inside job and your goal is to expose it? If that is the case, why is it hard to believe in the jumper theory? I guess I am missing your point of view. You believe there were jumpers or people who fell off the edge or you do not? If not why exactly? How would it tie into your belief of 9-11 AND did you lose somebody in 9-11? What exactly made you interested in digging so deeply? What sparked your desire? I am interested and not trying to poke any fun. What do you think is the ULTIMATE purpose of it all anyway?

After your crack about my age and your fingernail observation, I'm not sure you are being genuine.

Lets just say as a child of the sixties I took seriously the issues for which my parents marched, and I deeply resent my life and labor being siphoned-off to pay for the murder of others.

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I saw people jumping on that day when their aired that live. A man and a woman held hands together and took the drop because they couldn;t get around the fire on the floors below them. 60+ stories is a long way down.
If you know youre going to die anyway, but you know people have survived falling from as much as a mile up when their parachutes fail, it makes more sense to jump than to try and ride the building down.

And yes i heard stories about a guy who rode the building down while on the roof and it's utter bullsh*t.

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Yeah well I went to your profile and read your other posts and am now genuinely interested. Sorry about the comment about your age..

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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I saw people jumping on that day when their aired that live. A man and a woman held hands together and took the drop because they couldn;t get around the fire on the floors below them. 60+ stories is a long way down.
If you know youre going to die anyway, but you know people have survived falling from as much as a mile up when their parachutes fail, it makes more sense to jump than to try and ride the building down.

And yes i heard stories about a guy who rode the building down while on the roof and it's utter bullsh*t.

Well, I appreciate a good story too, but they simply fall apart under scrutiny...especially the "holding hands" accounts. What you're repeating are the same kind of wartime propaganda stories used to mobilize armies for generations.

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YES CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ALL POSTERS WHO STATE THEY WITNESSED THE JUMPERS LIVE!! Does that not count??????????

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Starwise
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Ahh I just watched the video in the post....LOL Her argument to me does not prove anything. AND I cant help what I am about to say next BUT, did you see her NAILS? YUCK. Her right hand had nail polish on and you could see the dirt under her nails with polish. Her left hand nails were also gross WITHOUT nail polish!! Believe it or not that is a huge tell tale sign of her mentality......How is that for some PSYOPS LOL!!

I'm more worried about your mentality than hers...

Im sure you are being sarcastic as such was I

Whats slightly weird but interesting is the Jumpers angle was never reportd on uk news at all.I only read about it on sites such as these.I even checked with others and they too were in the dark about it.Nothing in the papers either.

Of course the many Jumpers story is fake,who would take a tumble on to hard concrete over mild burns or rescue.

Originally posted by septic

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000
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I saw people jumping on that day when their aired that live. A man and a woman held hands together and took the drop because they couldn;t get around the fire on the floors below them. 60+ stories is a long way down.
If you know youre going to die anyway, but you know people have survived falling from as much as a mile up when their parachutes fail, it makes more sense to jump than to try and ride the building down.

And yes i heard stories about a guy who rode the building down while on the roof and it's utter bullsh*t.

Well, I appreciate a good story too, but they simply fall apart under scrutiny...especially the "holding hands" accounts. What you're repeating are the same kind of wartime propaganda stories used to mobilize armies for generations.

Thats not propaganda bro. Propaganda was when in WWII just before the D-Day invasion Hitler radio broadcasted that the allies should leave their parachutes at home because they would be able to walk down on the flak alone. That's propaganda. Prapaganda is used to instill fear, not piss people off so they want you dead in the worst way and willing to drop nukes on you to achieve that goal.

Originally posted by Starwise
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

 

YES CAN SOMEBODY PLEASE ACKNOWLEDGE ALL POSTERS WHO STATE THEY WITNESSED THE JUMPERS LIVE!! Does that not count??????????

It would count more were it not for all the fraudulent images thereof.