AMAZING!!!!!! this will get a repost 
A Message For All Of Humanity (You will want to share this), page 7
reply posted on 28-12-2011 @ 03:05 AM by Lightbringer38
Originally posted by Disciplining
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It has finally updated views and it has over 21,000 views in just over a day! It needs more though!!
reply posted on 28-12-2011 @ 09:59 AM by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by Asktheanimals
Dear Asktheanimals.
Are you aware that you logic is totally and laughably flawed and warped? You hate Democracy, and yet you advocated DEMOCRACY in Tribalism. Do you even understand both doctrines before you start to spout your hates and likes?
Tribalism is the oldest form of democracy. For a tribe to exist, it would need a mutual common understanding and set of rules so that those diverse and different humans can co-exist peacefully, for protection and progress.
To create those set of rules of common behavior, it comes not from one man, but a council of men, with each FREE to SPEAK UP. And after all had spoken, the leader will have to make a decision, and it will be his decision that all men will follow, to their progress, or to their demise.
As you can see, it still follows basic democratic actions similar to our present day form. The difference lays in the CHECKS & BALANCES that we modern societies had inbuilt into the governance system for humanity, so that when a final decision is made, that responsibility lays with the PEOPLE, and not only the leader.
No human can predict the future, but can only anticipate the possible actions. We are flawed mortals and prone to errors, but we have the capacity to correct them and change, much wiser than before. Our civilisation advanced and progress till today, not because humanity is smart, but simply only because we learnt from our mistakes.
And it is only the doctrine of Democracy that allows such corrections, with terms limits for leaders. Other political doctrines had failed miserably, as we this fortunate generation had witness, of how dictators held on to power continually, even when its society went into wrong and dangerous directions.
I know I cannot change your mind, but I hope that you may reconsider the positive values of Democracy, and how we are where we are today, instead of either dead or starving like those in Somalia.
I apologise to OP for derailing this thread and hope that it is only temporary. I only responded because of a misconception by a poster that had tarnished the selfless words of a great human being to be forever immortalised and cherished by mankind.
Dear Asktheanimals.
Are you aware that you logic is totally and laughably flawed and warped? You hate Democracy, and yet you advocated DEMOCRACY in Tribalism. Do you even understand both doctrines before you start to spout your hates and likes?
Tribalism is the oldest form of democracy. For a tribe to exist, it would need a mutual common understanding and set of rules so that those diverse and different humans can co-exist peacefully, for protection and progress.
To create those set of rules of common behavior, it comes not from one man, but a council of men, with each FREE to SPEAK UP. And after all had spoken, the leader will have to make a decision, and it will be his decision that all men will follow, to their progress, or to their demise.
As you can see, it still follows basic democratic actions similar to our present day form. The difference lays in the CHECKS & BALANCES that we modern societies had inbuilt into the governance system for humanity, so that when a final decision is made, that responsibility lays with the PEOPLE, and not only the leader.
No human can predict the future, but can only anticipate the possible actions. We are flawed mortals and prone to errors, but we have the capacity to correct them and change, much wiser than before. Our civilisation advanced and progress till today, not because humanity is smart, but simply only because we learnt from our mistakes.
And it is only the doctrine of Democracy that allows such corrections, with terms limits for leaders. Other political doctrines had failed miserably, as we this fortunate generation had witness, of how dictators held on to power continually, even when its society went into wrong and dangerous directions.
I know I cannot change your mind, but I hope that you may reconsider the positive values of Democracy, and how we are where we are today, instead of either dead or starving like those in Somalia.
I apologise to OP for derailing this thread and hope that it is only temporary. I only responded because of a misconception by a poster that had tarnished the selfless words of a great human being to be forever immortalised and cherished by mankind.
reply posted on 28-12-2011 @ 12:59 PM by Chewingonmushrooms
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
Yes you are right to certain extent but the differences between democracy in tribalism and in nations states are two different things. Democracy is the language (our voices) we employ while our Constitional Republic is the method of implication of those voices. The consititution is our script. Tribalism is small village like environments in which everyone knows each other. That would be impossible in nations states, or city states because of the scale. It's like comparing NBA basketball to 3 on 3 street ball, both are technically basketball but certainly aren't the same game.
Yes you are right to certain extent but the differences between democracy in tribalism and in nations states are two different things. Democracy is the language (our voices) we employ while our Constitional Republic is the method of implication of those voices. The consititution is our script. Tribalism is small village like environments in which everyone knows each other. That would be impossible in nations states, or city states because of the scale. It's like comparing NBA basketball to 3 on 3 street ball, both are technically basketball but certainly aren't the same game.
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reply posted on 28-12-2011 @ 07:01 PM by Asktheanimals
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101
Hi Seeker, I'm all for democratic principles but the current form of democracy is a plutocracy in disguise. Much of the Chaplin speech rings true and is inspiring but I felt it appropriate to expand on the practical aspects of what such a system entails.
The word "Democracy" is bandied about endlessly by our government officials as if it were the highest aspiration of man. That should clue most folks in to what is behind such benign sounding tomes, certainly not the meaning and applications most would make of it. It is a rarity to hear anyone in government other than Ron Paul use the word "Republic".
The people have the power and can take control of their own respective governments if we can act in concert and are willing to share the burdens and privations that will necessarily come with such a movement. Currently, we seem to be separated as people in too many ways for such an event to occur. If we can destroy these barriers we may just be able to secure a peaceful and prosperous future for all.
I point out tribal societies because imo they are best examples of how we can live peaceably together while remaining inclusive of individuals. People the world over must come together to gain their freedom despite the differences that currently separate us.
Hi Seeker, I'm all for democratic principles but the current form of democracy is a plutocracy in disguise. Much of the Chaplin speech rings true and is inspiring but I felt it appropriate to expand on the practical aspects of what such a system entails.
The word "Democracy" is bandied about endlessly by our government officials as if it were the highest aspiration of man. That should clue most folks in to what is behind such benign sounding tomes, certainly not the meaning and applications most would make of it. It is a rarity to hear anyone in government other than Ron Paul use the word "Republic".
The people have the power and can take control of their own respective governments if we can act in concert and are willing to share the burdens and privations that will necessarily come with such a movement. Currently, we seem to be separated as people in too many ways for such an event to occur. If we can destroy these barriers we may just be able to secure a peaceful and prosperous future for all.
I point out tribal societies because imo they are best examples of how we can live peaceably together while remaining inclusive of individuals. People the world over must come together to gain their freedom despite the differences that currently separate us.
reply posted on 29-12-2011 @ 02:45 AM by hyperion.martin
reply to post by Asktheanimals
Sir I am confused... Since when is Athenian Democracy the BEST system of Democracy? Though it admittedly did endow certain rights on people it excluded women, non-citizens, non-landowners, slaves, etc. This happened because Athenian democracy did nothing to prevent the creation of factions within itself, that is, grouping through influence and taboo (majority control).
Your argument has already been addressed by James Madison in the Federalist Papers (No. 51 I think) which argued for a Constitution before it was ratified by all the states. America is SUPPOSED to have conflict in politics and NOT be Athenian direct representation, and be functioning exactly the way it is!
The basic idea is that if we create many competing groups they will balance each other, and once that is achieved we have a representative democracy. This system is great because it allows room for Vast populations and spans of distance, both of which America has.
A good example is the system of checks and balances (not an Athenian concept). When congress gets deadlocked, it is a GOOD thing because it proves that there is no dominant faction thus no "super party" to dominate politics.
I wrote a paper on this once and would be happy to provide it to you if you are interested.
Sir I am confused... Since when is Athenian Democracy the BEST system of Democracy? Though it admittedly did endow certain rights on people it excluded women, non-citizens, non-landowners, slaves, etc. This happened because Athenian democracy did nothing to prevent the creation of factions within itself, that is, grouping through influence and taboo (majority control).
Your argument has already been addressed by James Madison in the Federalist Papers (No. 51 I think) which argued for a Constitution before it was ratified by all the states. America is SUPPOSED to have conflict in politics and NOT be Athenian direct representation, and be functioning exactly the way it is!
The basic idea is that if we create many competing groups they will balance each other, and once that is achieved we have a representative democracy. This system is great because it allows room for Vast populations and spans of distance, both of which America has.
A good example is the system of checks and balances (not an Athenian concept). When congress gets deadlocked, it is a GOOD thing because it proves that there is no dominant faction thus no "super party" to dominate politics.
I wrote a paper on this once and would be happy to provide it to you if you are interested.
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 04:53 PM by Enderdog
Originally posted by Sharky54
reply to post by silo13
Yes it should go completely viral.
I have read those words once a year at a Coffee Shop's Open Mike every year.
The best speech ever and written by and performed by Charlie Chaplins "The Great Dictator" 1939. He got allot of grief for that movie.
A great man could only write from his heart for all of humanity.
Thank God they spoke these words.
Am I the only one here to find it remarkable that Chaplin made that movie in 1939....literally years before the USA got into in WWII? This was approximately five years after Hitler rose to power, but well after many of the events that turned his craziness into the biggest war in mankind's history. Perhaps it was Chaplin's way of trying to get Americans to wake up. At any rate, it was a poignant speech and quite a plea to humanity in general.
reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 06:45 PM by Lightbringer38
Originally posted by Enderdog
Originally posted by Sharky54
reply to post by silo13
Yes it should go completely viral.
I have read those words once a year at a Coffee Shop's Open Mike every year.
The best speech ever and written by and performed by Charlie Chaplins "The Great Dictator" 1939. He got allot of grief for that movie.
A great man could only write from his heart for all of humanity.
Thank God they spoke these words.
Am I the only one here to find it remarkable that Chaplin made that movie in 1939....literally years before the USA got into in WWII? This was approximately five years after Hitler rose to power, but well after many of the events that turned his craziness into the biggest war in mankind's history. Perhaps it was Chaplin's way of trying to get Americans to wake up. At any rate, it was a poignant speech and quite a plea to humanity in general.
Yes I realised that as well! How amazing! He actually took a lot of attacks for this movie and it's attacks on Hitler... I guess people would respect him for it now.. How amazing that he did such a thing.. It is almost as though he knew Hitler would do such things.. Sad that it was ignored then and still ignored now...
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