Christians Blown Apart In Nigeria By God Fearing Islamists

I love how people pin the violence on religion.. Whether or not there was religion, there will always be another form of segregation that groups will use as a reason for their violent acts, something natural to humans. Humans are the problem, segregation contributes, religion is wrongfully accused. I'm not religious but I've noticed all the religion bashing here at ATS, but what can you expect from a site like this?

Originally posted by FidelityMusic
I love how people pin the violence on religion.. Whether or not there was religion, there will always be another form of segregation that groups will use as a reason for their violent acts, something natural to humans. Humans are the problem, segregation contributes, religion is wrongfully accused. I'm not religious but I've noticed all the religion bashing here at ATS, but what can you expect from a site like this?

Everyone needs an enemy it seems...
Most "religions" clearly haven't done enough to have a favorable public opinion, maybe they have gone wrong somewhere along the line?

Hahaha i love how the first 20+ people to reply are saying "Don't follow religion" "don't get baptised" "Here's another hate thread" Seems like there's bots that just repeat themselves on here.

I'm prepared for all the comments I'll get for this but it's just my opinion.

If you're Christian and you come face to face with extremist Muslims - You'll get killed/tortured/blow up in the name of their god.
If you're Catholic and you come face to face with extremist Muslims - You'll get killed/tortured/blow up in the name of their god.
If you're Jewish and you come face to face with extremist Muslims - You'll get killed/tortured/blow up in the name of their god.
If you're Athiest and you come face to face with extremist Muslims - You'll get killed/tortured/blow up in the name of their god.
If you're Agnostic and you come face to face with extremist Muslims - You'll get killed/tortured/blow up in the name of their god.

If you're anyone who doesn't follow Islam and you come face to face with extremist Muslims - You'll get killed/tortured/blow up in the name of their god.

I'm being very careful using the word "extremists" here because you can't judge a religion based on a few crazies.

The Qur'an says something along the lines of "You can never get to heaven unless through my prophet Jesus" which is the whole base of Christianity. We believe Jesus is the way forward. It's ironic most people in Islam are unaware of this because they are on what the preacher wishes them to know. The Qur'an has been turned into a hammer to beat down anyone who doesn't agree with Islam.

Stop the extremist, Don't hate on all Muslims. I'm Christian living in a country of mostly Muslims and day to day i worry about the parties that wish to hard me and my friends but as most parties go of this nature they are few and far.

It's partly about religion but also partly about sick twisted inhuman people using their religion to justify there actions. They are the ones who need to be stopped. Europe and US really need to wake up to this problem because if they leave it alone it will spread like cancer throughout the world and now we have the time to defeat it head on because it goes to far.

reply to post by Dr Expired

Muhammad, as a historical figure and as depicted in the Koran and especially in the Hadith, used violence to spread his religion.

He personally took part in about 28 violent Jihads and was involved in planning about 80 in total.

Here is a partial list of Muhammad's Jihads.

570 - Born in Mecca
623 - Orders raids on Meccan caravans
624 - Battle of Badr (victory)
624 - Evicts Qaynuqa Jews from Medina
624 - Orders the assassination of Abu Afak
624 - Orders the assassination of Asma bint Marwan - Orders the assassination of Ka'b al-Ashraf
625 - Battle of Uhud (defeat)
625 - Evicts Nadir Jews
627 - Battle of the Trench (victory)
627 - Massacre of the Qurayza Jews
628 - Destruction and subjugation of the Khaybar Jews
629 - Orders first raid into Christian lands at Muta (defeat)
630 - Conquers Mecca by surprise (along with other tribes)
631 - Leads second raid into Christian territory at Tabuk (no battle)
632 - Dies.

MilitaryHistory.net

As a historical figure Muhammad raided caravans (murdering the guards), ordered political assassinations, fought aggressive wars of conquest, captured and enslaved women and children (some of the women shared his bed), encouraged his men to rape captive women, executed 800 Jewish POWs and burnt people he had forced to convert for not praying.

For instance,

From the Hadith Bukari, a text which is sacred to Sunni Muslims who make up 80 to 90% of all Muslims globally.

Bukhari (11:626) "The Prophet said, "No prayer is harder for the hypocrites than the Fajr and the 'Isha' prayers and if they knew the reward for these prayers at their respective times, they would certainly present themselves (in the mosques) even if they had to crawl." The Prophet added, "Certainly I decided to order the Mu'adh-dhin (call-maker) to pronounce Iqama and order a man to lead the prayer and then take a fire flame to burn all those who had not left their houses so far for the prayer along with their houses."

Muhammad orders his men to burn alive those who do not present themselves at the mosque for prayer.

www.islam-watch.org...

It is a tenant of Islam that Muhammad deeds are to be emulated. He led the perfect life, apparently.

reply to post by Dr Expired


Perhaps Muhammad's most notorious jihad was the beheading of 800 male Jews of the Banu Qurayza

The Koran itself refers to the murder of the Jews (suwar 33:26 & 33:27).

33:26 He also brought down their allies among the people of the scripture from their secure positions, and threw terror into their hearts. Some of them you killed, and some you took captive.

33:27 He made you inherit their land, their homes, their money, and lands you had never stepped on. God is in full control of all things.

www.quranexplorer.com...

Note the above source is The authorized translation of the Koran.

For a better explanation of what the Suras refer to, please see

33:26 Those People of the Scripture who allied with the clans (despite having a treaty with you), have been taken out from their forts and strongholds, and panic has struck their hearts. Some of them were killed in the battle and others were taken prisoners of war. (The Jewish tribe, Bani Quraizah had violated the treaty, although another Jewish tribe, Bani Nadir of Khyber had also been among the confederates).

www.quranexplained.co.uk...

A much more comprehensive explanation is that of Ibn Ishaq.

Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD. He provided details about the episode mentioned in sura 33:26 & 33:27.

From page 84 & 85 of Ibn Ishaq's biography about Muhammad

"The apostle of Allah imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina while trenches were dug in the market-place. Then he sent for the men and had their heads struck off so that they fell in the trenches. They were brought out in groups, and among them was Kab, the chief of the tribe. In number, they amounted to six or seven hundred, although some state it to have been eight or nine hundred. All were executed. One man turned to his people and said, 'It matters not! By God's will, the children of Israel were destined for this massacre!’ Then he seated himself and his head was struck off... ...Now the apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their women and children, to the Muslims, reserving one-fifth for himself. Every horseman received three shares, one for himself and two for his steed, and every foot soldier one share. There were thirty-six horses present on the day of the Qurayza. The apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to barter them as slaves in exchange for horses and camels. The apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Rayhana, for himself, and she remained with him as his slave until she died. He had suggested marriage to her, that she should wear the veil (to separate her from all other persons, as his wives did), but she replied, 'Rather allow me to remain thy slave; it will be more easy for me, and for thee.'"

www.archive.org...

The beheading of POWs and the enslaving of women and children. As practised by the founder of Islam.

reply to post by HangTheTraitors


No wonder the world is full of idiots. They blame religion so that when people start killing out of nothing, they can simply pass them off as psychotics and call it fair game.

Even if that's not the case, all these 'atheists' in these forums are too busy pointing fingers to realize why there's so much hate in this world. It's because people simply point fingers. Simple as that.

Have a seat in the corner and take a good look at your life. If you have such a big problem with 'the worlds problems', stop talking smack on the internet.

The forums motto said "deny ignorance" yet we have so many of the ignorant masses now. I'm Christian but I've yet to bash anyone into believing anything. Turns out all of you 'atheists' are too busy blaming us for 'bashing a belief into you' to notice the only ones opening their mouths is you people.

Want proof? Go to all the forums in ATS, and even the internet in general.

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by steveknows

 

You make no sense in your post in regards to what I've said. That reads village idiot. It's ok though,. The western world gives people like that disability support pensions. You'll be ok. And, sigh, I really hate pointing out the obvious but you're obviously "special" so just for you I'll point out that I'm not christian but I do see how they are being targeted by muslim extremists.

You have a lot of gall to declare someone an idiot. I read the original post that was regarding "it is a great religion". You took it out of context and manipulated it so you could have a point to argue. The fact that you made it so obvious says a lot about your skills. I'm sure you are not aware of this but all true village idiots believe to the core of their being that someone else is the village idiot.

I also don't see how you disregard the point about the IRA blowing people up. Here is what you said:

But it's a major factor supporter of all that is filth. Also The IRA wanting England out of Northern Ireland isn't the same as musilm extremists wanting all Christians converted or dead. It's not hard to see the difference. Also whenever the IRA would kill innocents they would make a public apology not that that resolved them of their wrongs.

You did a marvelous job of misunderstanding yet again. All those points you brought up are irrelevant. You either get blown up or you don't and what the group says after the fact does not matter. It also doesn't matter why they blow people up. Fact is people are still getting detonated.

I'll have the village make up a DUNCE cap for you. It should fit well.

No I took nothing out of contex. I called it on what it says. People like you remind me of Sheik Taj Din al-Hilali a muslim imam in Australia( who's now gone back home) Would refer to Australian females as " A uncoverd meat" and would say that women who were raped "asked for it for not covering up" And referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilali said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy and gives you 65 years".


Every time this tool said these things the Muslim council of Australia would say "He's been taken out of context" It seem to be a catch cry for any who is pulled up for what they say you've just done the same thing. You post rubbish and people are going to comment on it. Thanks for your imput and obvious offence at reading a particular truth that offends you.

Amazing, not a single sentence you wrote was void of the word Christ. Methinks you have an obsession.

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by steveknows

You said "Um...then what is the problem? That must be one great religion" That's what you said"

Yes I did say that and a bunch of other stuff. I am not sure why you could only read one sentence but trust me, context is everything.
Try reading it again and read the ENTIRE post this time.
I never called it a great religion. Actually you did. You had to read my whole post to get that though. I read it. What is your issue?

I gave a link to your entire post. What more do you want?

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You to demonstrate an ability to comprehend the meaning of the words therein I guess. I am not really sure I want anything from you. You do not understand my post. You think I said things I did not because you are apparently not that quick. I want nothing from you. If you want to have a discussion though you cannot just link to random posts of mine and then ask me to defend positions I have yet to take.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I CAN MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE IF YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU GET LOST.

Originally posted by steveknows
You make no sense in your post in regards to what I've said. That reads village idiot. It's ok though,. The western world gives people like that disability support pensions. You'll be ok. And, sigh, I really hate pointing out the obvious but you're obviously "special" so just for you I'll point out that I'm not christian but I do see how they are being targeted by muslim extremists.

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All that just to call me "village idiot?"
Wow.
Noticing the stars my post got and taking that as a clue as to how many people understood what I wrote as opposed to you would suggest otherwise.

Usually the only guy in the village unable to understand a simple statement...he is the idiot.

Just clearing that up for you.

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by steveknows

You said "Um...then what is the problem? That must be one great religion" That's what you said"

Yes I did say that and a bunch of other stuff. I am not sure why you could only read one sentence but trust me, context is everything.
Try reading it again and read the ENTIRE post this time.
I never called it a great religion. Actually you did. You had to read my whole post to get that though. I read it. What is your issue?

I gave a link to your entire post. What more do you want?

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You to demonstrate an ability to comprehend the meaning of the words therein I guess. I am not really sure I want anything from you. You do not understand my post. You think I said things I did not because you are apparently not that quick. I want nothing from you. If you want to have a discussion though you cannot just link to random posts of mine and then ask me to defend positions I have yet to take.

I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND. I CAN MAKE IT MORE SIMPLE IF YOU TELL ME WHERE YOU GET LOST.

I think you're actually serious. No hope for you then. Enough now I've got better things to do.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by Algernonsmouse

 

There are reasons why most people don't bash muslims.
The "radical" muslims will hunt you down and kill you!

Yeah, you tell yourself that all you like. Be afraid of what is under your bead and faint in the presence of a half open closet.

I will um..be over here in the real world. No Muslim is going to hunt me down for saying a damn thing. I am not sure why you think I am that important but I know for a fact neither I nor you are.

Originally posted by mamabeth
reply to post by BO XIAN

 

A lot of the people that G-d was having the Israelites kill
were pagans and decendants from the nephilim.Remember
the six- fingered giants in the old testament?

My friends son has 6 fingers.
So your god says its cool to murder that kid then?
Or does he also have to be really tall before your god creates him and then allows him to be murdered?
Your god sounds like a #ty planner.

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by steveknows
You make no sense in your post in regards to what I've said. That reads village idiot. It's ok though,. The western world gives people like that disability support pensions. You'll be ok. And, sigh, I really hate pointing out the obvious but you're obviously "special" so just for you I'll point out that I'm not christian but I do see how they are being targeted by muslim extremists.

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All that just to call me "village idiot?"
Wow.
Noticing the stars my post got and taking that as a clue as to how many people understood what I wrote as opposed to you would suggest otherwise.

Usually the only guy in the village unable to understand a simple statement...he is the idiot.

Just clearing that up for you.

Where did I misunderstand what you wrote? Oh I see I don't agree with what you write so then in your little view of the big world that must mean that I don't understand what you write. Since you need to to mention stars to validate you I'll point out that most stars come from people who agree with you. That doesn't mean that what you write is correct but hey safety in numbers if you're insecure in what you post right?

Originally posted by Chance321
reply to post by Dr Expired

 

Oh, come'on now, this was just probably a misunderstanding

from those wacky fun loving and oh so tolerant islamists.

Some genius writes in yet another thread where Christians discuss eradicating people of a different religion I guess because they are also oh so fun loving and wacky and tolerant.

Originally posted by lucid eyes
No surprise to me that most liberals on here say its the religious persons fault, not the murderers/terrorists responsibility.

Can you show me ONE post that matches what you are talking about?
I see them blaming exactly both.
Show me what you see because I think you imagined it.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by steveknows
These anti west people on ats are ignoring your point that Christians aren't walking into crowds of muslims and blowing them up ...

Maybe we ignored the suicide bomber part because he never mentioned it in the first place. You did.

And Christians have been well known for blowing up Christians in Northern Ireland.

Keyword Ireland

Meaning?
Irish people dont die when Christians blow them up?
It does not count in Ireland because it is not Muslims?
What do you think "keyword" means in that post?

Originally posted by steveknows
I get your point. I really do. But do think that if Christians were blowing people up that the muslims would be saying "non christians who call themselves christians but aren't really christians because they're not acting like christians blew up more people today" ? Is 90% of the world anti Christ or is it that they don't follow Christ? There's a difference. And how many of those other religions kill Christians because they're christians? I'd like to point out here that it's not just Christians either. These fundamentalists are anti everything but islam.

The point is to fight the terrorists not the average islamic joe but some on here are making out that to be against the terrorists is to be against people who are muslim. Kind of puts them in the same basket as the terrorists. Those on here who condone the terrorists acts are deliberatley making out that to hate the terrorists is to hate a muslim for being a muslim. And that's their mission on this site.

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Do not take this the wrong way but for a Christian, you spend a lot of time justifying why you should behave one way because of how other people behave. Is that what your religion teaches you? They did it first so I can do it to now? Just wondering? Or is it, they did something bad so I can do something else bad? What exactly are the rules?

All your justifications are "Do you think THEY....?"
Odd that Christians care that way. I read your b ook and it says otherwise.

Originally posted by steveknows

Where did I misunderstand what you wrote?

In the plethora of posts asking me to explain just like that one that I just replied to.
You are funny.
I gotta go to bed.

As said many many times over in thread after thread the real problem here is RELGION at its radical worst, for me religion is a failure of humans to be able to run their own life, they have to cling to a 'clan' with a common but unsubstantiated belief to go by day to day.

Having a faith is one thing but having religion is a profoundly more dire experience, when you have religion you are then duty bound to do as you are told, its no longer a faith, its your life being guided normally by fellow humans who make up the rules.

Just look at these people who 'have religion', they are some of the most cruel people on the face of the earth, they allow children to be raped and killed while their betters hide the offenders, they show savagery beyond description, death and dismemberment are committed without thought in the name of man made principles.

One religion beyond all has shown itself to be barbaric beyond all in today's times, RADICAL ISLAM, notice RADICAL, especially those who favour the Wuhabbi (spelling) brand of Islam. Just look at Egypt, Indonesia, Pakistan etc for those who lead their life by the radical way, any true follower of the book knows that it does not say to go out and convert people, it does not say to attack innocents, these and many other media seen vile things are man made scriptures, often made by some of the most wacko people around (think the banning of women seeing or touching penis shaped fruit and veg, yes, this is a true example).

Its these vile people who you see on the streets, unintelligent brainwashed fools who shame the ordinary people who simply read the book and pray, who integrate and work, these people seen on the media are following rules being handed down by men in power, this is a bastardised version many Imams are trying to prevent from being taught in their own mosques.

What you see in Nigeria is that vile form of Islam, sadly its been taught to them for hundreds of years and the only update it gets is to be even more vile. The so called PC people on here would have you believe I'm talking trash and I'm 'Islamophobic', one of their favourite words next to racist, yet its these people who are the morons, any Muslims who follow this thread will confirm what I'm saying is correct (well apart from the radicals).

I don't follow any religion, to be honest the world would be better without it but people beware, the radical side of Islam is out to get you, ordinary Muslims should be doing much more to prevent the spread of this foulness, behind these idiots you see on the streets are people pulling the strings, people involved in trying to change your culture, to subdue it initially and then wipe it out in the end. PC people will say this is nonsense and its only a few nut jobs, well folks I've talked to these radicals, I've talked to the Imams, I've heard it from the horses mouth, both good and bad.

Have the PC people done the same?

Or are they simply in area's or situations where they never meet the Radicals, people with the same outlook as our judges whose ability to be ridiculously out of touch is only matched by their stupidity of not knowing the very people they judge, people whose life exists in a circle of people of barely know reality.

Basically if you are of the mind to shout p*ki's out then go away, you are stupid and part of the problem, if you sit in your armchair making PC comments and rubbishing it all then go way, you are as stupid as the other lot, you may have education but you don't have a clue how to use it.

Look around the European community and the States, you are witnessing a surge in Radical Islam, what you see in Nigeria, Somalia IS heading here, some of it is already here, religious honour killings are massively on the rise. Prisons are full of rapists who have one common denominator, they follow radical Islam and believe their faith gives them the right to abuse these infidels, the fact that the real faith says just the opposite isn't important to them, they use their faith to do wrong, to kill and damage people, they use the faith to keep women down (women are not allowed to drive in Saudi) but the level of keeping them down goes to the very depths of morals.

Never mind listening to the PC do gooders on here, never mind even listening to me, go out and ask for yourself, you really won't like what you hear!