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reply posted on 27-12-2011 @ 07:31 PM by joshter

reply to post by GovtFlu

I usually disagree with you on most things... especially on subjects including immigration. But right now I think you're right on the nose correct. While I think it's perfectly fair to stop and check illegal immigrants whenever an officer feels the need for public safety calls for it... there is no way these officers stopping everyone can tell if who they are stopping is illegal or not. I know this doesn't mainly pertain to illegals... but I'd say the very, very large majority of those without a valid drivers license in California is in the country illegally.

This is the United States of America though... THIS is NOT how we enforce our laws in this country, it shouldn't be at least.

reply posted on 29-12-2011 @ 05:56 PM by rival

How about this headline and byline instead:

CALIFORNIA TO BAN THE CHECKING OF DRIVER'S LICENSE AND
OTHER CREDENTIALS AT SOBRIETY CHECKPOINTS

California state representatives have ruled that the practice of checking driver
credentials at sobriety checkpoints violates the rule of law as established by the
Fourth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States.

They further stated,

"...while the constitutionality of sobriety checkpoints has been ruled upon
by the Supreme Court of the United States as a valid and 'reasonable' search under
the Fourth Amendment. The purpose of establishing sobriety in no way implies
a "Free" search of individual's persons, papers, or effects without established
jurisdiction."

They further stated,

"...A sobriety checkpoint does not establish this jurisdiction in nature or intent, and that
unless jurisdiction can be established pursuant to violations of state or federal law
a person's right to privacy as stated under the Fourth amendment must be maintained."

Just my two cents....I think you folks are missing the forest because the trees are obscuring
your view

reply posted on 29-12-2011 @ 05:59 PM by OpusMarkII

there will be plenty of jobs for these people at the FEMA camp employees , than they call pay for the fines .

reply posted on 30-12-2011 @ 04:41 AM by Nana2

Originally posted by guohua

California to Ban Police From Towing Cars of Unlicensed Drivers

www.foxnews.com

The cat-and-mouse game ends Jan. 1 when a new law takes effect in California to prohibit police from impounding cars at sobriety checkpoints if a motorist's only offense is being an unlicensed driver. Thousands of cars are towed each year in the state under those circumstances, hitting pocketbooks of illegal immigrants especially hard.

(visit the link for the full news article)

so they stop an illegal without a drivers license and now they can't tow their car. So what do they do with the car? Aparrantlly they let the unlicensed illegal just keep driving it? This makes no sense.

reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 02:35 AM by korathin

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by Manhater

Yep, I agree too if it's a major violation such as going 60 in a 40 MPH or Racing then yes I think you should get your car towed and auctioned off. But if it's for something minor such as having a tail light broken or just failing to use your signal light then I don't think you should get it towed

What drugs are you on? That is excessive!

I remember when civil asset seizure was only for the "mob" and "drug dealers", now fascist's are seeking to extend it to everything.

reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 07:08 AM by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by muse7
reply to post by Manhater

Yep, I agree too if it's a major violation such as going 60 in a 40 MPH or Racing then yes I think you should get your car towed and auctioned off. But if it's for something minor such as having a tail light broken or just failing to use your signal light then I don't think you should get it towed

What drugs are you on? That is excessive!

I remember when civil asset seizure was only for the "mob" and "drug dealers", now fascist's are seeking to extend it to everything.

Is anyone shocked? This warning has been around for quite awhile:

First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me
and there was no one left to speak out for me.

en.wikipedia.org...

Eventually, we will all be insurgents. Does anyone know how to spot a drone in the sky?

reply posted on 4-1-2012 @ 07:11 AM by bigfatfurrytexan

Originally posted by Nana2

Originally posted by guohua

California to Ban Police From Towing Cars of Unlicensed Drivers

www.foxnews.com

The cat-and-mouse game ends Jan. 1 when a new law takes effect in California to prohibit police from impounding cars at sobriety checkpoints if a motorist's only offense is being an unlicensed driver. Thousands of cars are towed each year in the state under those circumstances, hitting pocketbooks of illegal immigrants especially hard.

(visit the link for the full news article)

so they stop an illegal without a drivers license and now they can't tow their car. So what do they do with the car? Aparrantlly they let the unlicensed illegal just keep driving it? This makes no sense.

What do you mean it makes no sense? That car is HIS property. No, he may not have been using it here legally....but back "home" it is likely his lifesblood. What kind of Orwellian world do you live in where the only apparently sensible thing to do is to take away someone else's property for a minor infraction (yes, illegal entry is minor, as evidenced by our lack of effort to prevent and enforce it).

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reply posted on 5-1-2012 @ 05:43 PM by lynn112

First I'll say I'm against road-blocks in general, but the reality is that if they pull someone over who does not have a drivers license or car insurance/plates; then they are creating a public safety issue if they do not tow the car. If they leave it roadside, it is a traffic hazzard and the unlicensed driver can return to the car in a couple of hours and become a safety risk to other drivers on the road.

Basically put, if you break the law, there are consequences. The consequence of driving without a valid license is having your car towed for the safety of others. If they don't like loosing their cars, enter the country legally, get a valid license & drive. Otherwise, don't expect me to cry a river for a criminal who gets their car towed.

reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 02:45 PM by Unknown Origin

Originally posted by Pervius
Mexico owns California.

Let's just fly up Mexico's Flag over California and be done with it.

Yep. This new law is proof Mexico is already calling the shots.

reply posted on 8-1-2012 @ 03:20 PM by amatrine

So now, what, they will ask white people for their license , and the mexicans will not get asked? That is what this will turn into. One set of the laws for one skin color and a different one for another, and it will happen because they will say this is not discriminating against whites since its obvious we are not from Mexico. Not fair at ALL. They can get an international one. No excuse.
We all need to know the rules of the road when we drive.

I was at a 4 way intersection the other day when a train came. When the train passes, the red lights blink,
and it now becomes a 4 way intersection with a stop sign, meaning it goes by who gets their first, and you take turns going.... Well the car ahead of me, with Mexican plates, just sat there. They did not realize this rule.
I passed around them. So did everyone else behind them.

You need to know the rules of the road. Driving is NOT a rite. There is a reason we have drivers tests. You need to know the rules of the road before you kill someone. If I went to England, I would learn the rules of the road before driving there for my own safety and others.

I am so sick of all of this. I am tired of loosing my rites while people born here get more rites than we do.
They might even get their college paid for while My straight A student can not even afford to go.

reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 02:07 AM by ThomasJefferson

reply to post by guohua

Due Process:
No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals.

Clause 39 of the Magna Carta 1215 AD

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reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 02:21 AM by ThomasJefferson

reply to post by Manhater

We live in a system of laws. Not a police state, where some 23 year old cop gets to play Judge, Jury and Executioner on the side of the road at 1:00 am, with no probable cause or DUE PROCESS OF LAW.
Due Process of Law:
A fundamental, constitutional guarantee that all legal proceedings will be fair and that one will be given notice of the proceedings and an opportunity to be heard before the government acts to take away one’s life, liberty, or property. Also, a constitutional guarantee that a law shall not be unreasonable, Arbitrary, or capricious.
The constitutional guarantee of due process of law, found in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution, prohibits all levels of government from arbitrarily or unfairly depriving individuals of their basic constitutional rights to life, liberty, and property. The due process clause of the Fifth Amendment, ratified in 1791, asserts that no person shall “be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law.” This amendment restricts the powers of the federal government and applies only to actions by it. The Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment, ratified in 1868, declares,”[N]or shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law” (§ 1). This clause limits the powers of the states, rather than those of the federal government.

reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 02:56 AM by ThomasJefferson

reply to post by GovtFlu

I could not agree more!!!!!!
This type of state behavior is why Kings have had their heads cut off and the American colonist fought the war of independence. We are all immigrants, even the Native Americans.

Clause 39 of the Magna Cartar, originally issued in the year 1215 states:
No free man shall be seized or imprisoned, or stripped of his rights or possessions, or outlawed or exiled, or deprived of his standing in any other way, nor will we proceed with force against him, or send others to do so, except by the lawful judgment of his equals.

The Fourth Amendment specifically restricts law enforcement’s authority to seize private property without a court order.

How have we been stripped of our rights predating 1215.

Thomas Jefferson

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reply posted on 15-1-2012 @ 02:58 AM by ANNED

I know of at least two people that had there cars towed because of suspended licenses where they had not been to the city or anywhere near it to get the ticket that there license was suspended for.

Ether the cop that wrote the ticket goofed or someone had a fake license in there name.
one of the guys was over seas in the sand box when the ticket was written and that helped.

Both ended up paying a large towing and impound fee even though the charges were found to be bogus

reply posted on 16-1-2012 @ 10:55 AM by Shoonra

Presumably this change in the law is not only, nor primarily, to go easy on illegal aliens. In California (and a lot of other places) there are an enormous number of drivers who don't have licenses, or whose licenses were suspended or revoked or expired or whatever. In other states it's usually considered logical that a driver who is unlicensed is not to be trusted to drive himself home, so - unless someone else in the car was both sober and had his license with him - the car was not to be driven but would be towed someplace.

Not towing means California is either having these cars stay by the side of the road or else letter unlicensed drivers drive those cars (presumably) home. This situation may last only until someone sues because of an accident involving either an abandoned car or an unlicensed driver who was allowed behind the wheel.

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