reply to post by Gorman91
what do you mean PM, private message or PM time?
I very well understand the concept of democracy and associated problems. I do not understand the necessity of originally (taking the though back to
the very beginning) subjecting yourself to a ruler of any kind. It makes no sense, to me...but more importantly, i wrote this, recapping some aztec
thought, and some of your writing..., pls also respond to this by pm
I am happy to see that basically we are in agreement of the theory that there
is such a thing as democratic dictatorship (not the communist type democratic dictatorship of the people)...I myself feel, and in fact know, there are
more efficient, simple and fair (in human context) models out there..now in rant mode: .take a look at evolution...its hard to phantom the fact that
the symmetries of the universe align here too...80% junk out there...we are equal as humans, but not as minds, although i do feel anyone has the
capacity to be anything. we have become demigods, and we keep the weak (and weak willed alive). Sidenote: We will become full gods, imo, when we can
create life from inanimate entities.rant mode off.
also am very happy we will not be quoting other peoples work and links and videos, although if relevant pls do, but not as a matter of argument.
so here goes, get ready to face some of your fallacies (not on subject, but maybe we can move it somewhere), I do have my own you know and you are
welcome to enlighten me to them:
Dear gorman91, just to add to the aztecs, i do not think ancient astronauts are responsible for anything there...(as a speculative theory though it is
entertaining and fun though) i have a few theories of my own, quite worldy and indirectly related to evolution. I will elaborate upon them as per your
As for your idea that alien life is either more developed and wouldnt be interfear in life (benelovent) or in a way "dumber", but still be interested
in life (to harvest intelligence) a la nephilim expose....well the idea/ proposition is extremely dualistic (just two scenarios, huh?). There are many
thousands of alternate possibilities, many of which can be in fact partially proven with science and hence some evidence does exist. I will not
expound upon this here (scientific side), but if interested i will elaborate...You need to read this anyway to be interested in the science side...
However, there is a third, equally plausible concept (on top of my head and possibly more plausible) why a higher intelligence alien would interwean,
and there is a sliver of "evidence" or at least circumstantial speculation going a little beyond speculation itself, that may very well support it.
You see goran, fate (or luck, time, whatever you want to call it) has forced many hands, including evolution.
Imagine this (very simplified): aliens are in a war. One of the waring faction decieds to hide out in the athmosphere of the planet. They are found. A
war unsues. (anecdotal evidence of this exists, as well as some tangiable). The aliens ae indeed more evolved, they did not want to interween, but
fate forced their hands. One side wins, moves on. But some from ANY side loose command of ship and crash, or are ejected, or transported down. (think
here about good and bad mythology, duality of thinking).What would we do if we are the aliens? We may live amongst them, but ultimatley at some time
we would like to get back. We would also teach (but only tricks so to say, although we may very much use our own technology), just for our own
entertainment. Not because we are benelovent, but because we are forced by fate. Animals are fun up to a point, but intelligent life is a better
companion. Ultimatly we may end up sending a beacon to space (somewhat possible that the pyramid served such a function). We leave. We were
benelovent, non interventionists, who by fate ended up, somwhat interviening. As plausible as any other theory, maybe somewhat more. It all hindges on
the fact, that can other similar intelligent humanoid species develop. I believe that science has given an answer as yes o this, although you are
under the pressumption that we are the pinnacle or creation, i propose we are not (or not alone the pinnacle) and science does back this up...
On a sidenote, but related to the above statements, although your ridicule human centric (humanocentric fallacy) models (pointing out their flaws)
yet, your (evolutionary) deductions are humancentric to the extreme.
After all you say we are unique and unrepeatable. So just for your interest, I introduce to you your very own logical fallacy working in your mind
(extreme human centricity). Goran, meet your fallacy: extreme humanocentrism (I know there is another word, i forget).
And most likely an extreme
case of (inherited from platos thought system) of dual thinking. there is a male and female. they are not opposites, they are what they are. wholes,
capable of reproducing, or genders (scientific term).
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