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Originally posted by Hanslune
Originally posted by EarthChilde
The present world is the healthiest from War? I assure you that it is not, the position you take as a supposed student of history must be reviewed with a less biased approach.
The facts say otherwise, people killed during wars or organized violence is at the lowest ebb in history
Not sure where you get your facts, here is the reference I use which says otherwise...
en.wikipedia.org...
Also I do admit, perspective and definition of 'healthy' may be different.
Perhaps the wrong word, I'd substitute longevity
The fact that history is written by victors should not need to be stated, but sounds like it must as a gentle reminder that indeed,
Nice cliche but rather meaningless in this context. In the times where no writing existed did this occur too?
Written communication has existed for thousands of years, cuneiform, hieroglyphics right through to modern digital transcriptions.
The positions of the sides in many wars are both known.
It is also widely known that modern warfare has been financed by the same corporations and individuals to both sides in many of if not most cases.
www.globalresearch.ca...
www.pakalertpress.com...
wiki.answers.com...
The French and English fought wars for over a thousand years - the English won (kinda) but you can read the French side easily enough, as you can the position of the Axis powers in the WWII, the Central powers in WWI, the ideas of the Soviet Union. You have to go way back to see incidents were history was written by the victors; such as the Punic wars or Caesars Gaulic wars, or the Spanish versus the native culture of your choice. Sometimes the losers write the history as with the Chinese towards their Mongol conquerors or the Hindus towards the Moguls, etc
we are the most deadly and aggressive manifestation of our species in it's history.
Are you referring to HSS in general or just this generation in particular?
I am referring to the manifestation of HSS in it's current state.
We battle and kill and rape and pillage in the name of greed and it has gotten worse throughout history.
As history has become written we just know more about it. In tribal societies they tended to lose 40% of their populations due to war and raiding, needless to say this percentage has dropped abit.
This percentage has dropped only due to a larger base to draw from. The numbers of dead continue to rise. Rwanda, Zimbabwe, Vietnam, Korea, Europe...
We have technology and wisdom as a species to survive with enough food, shelter, water and continued pursuit of knowledge and growth without killing a single human being yet this is exactly what we have done for the last century in droves.
Many of these wars were driven by belief and the need to impose one belief on another person - which is rather important to the context of this thread.
Absolutely, while I do not want to impose any belief, I really need to share my view and help debunk the belief that there is scarcity in this world. Without greed and wanton consumerism we could all get along quite nicely and still pursue personal goals that don't impose on the well being of others.
That mega corporations are not controlling the main essence of life on this planet is absolutely false and I really feel empathy for anyone who cannot see this.
They have influence but not to the extend you believe - you also seem to think they are working in unison which is far from the case.
Wrong, they are the decision makers and whether in unison (6 of top 10 were oil ????) or not they manipulate to meet their needs.
not just the ones that are being manipulated through massive media suggestion.
I noted you didn't respond to my question of the various nations I mentioned having the same media message? So do they?
I am done here. I have provided plenty of reference. My choice is to believe in a better choice. Your choice is yours.
I cannot help all see what is before them, after all, I am not a demigod or corporate huckster Peace and light!
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Yes, it does seem this particular passage is not to be found anywhere in the "Book Of The Death". I couldn't find it, but maybe its there? But does that then mean then, if is not there. Cedric Leonard of the University of Oklahoma lied?
but other Egyptian texts do describe Thoth as being a man, who ruled as a king (COFFIN TEXTS).
Or maybe, he never existed as a real entity?
In the (Papyrus of NU) Chapter XXXV Thoth is described as the ruler of the Western Dominion!!
Hail, Usekh-nemmt, who comest forth from Anu, I have not committed sin.
Hail, Hept-khet, who comest forth from Kher-aha, I have not committed robbery with violence.
Hail, Fenti, who comest forth from Khemenu, I have not stolen.
Hail, Am-khaibit, who comest forth from Qernet, I have not slain men and women.
Hail, Neha-her, who comest forth from Rasta, I have not stolen grain.
Hail, Ruruti, who comest forth from heaven, I have not purloined offerings.
Hail, Arfi-em-khet, who comest forth from Suat, I have not stolen the property of God.
Hail, Neba, who comest and goest, I have not uttered lies.
Hail, Set-qesu, who comest forth from Hensu, I have not carried away food.
Hail, Utu-nesert, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have not uttered curses.
Hail, Qerrti, who comest forth from Amentet, I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
Hail, Her-f-ha-f, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have made none to weep.
Hail, Basti, who comest forth from Bast, I have not eaten the heart.
Hail, Ta-retiu, who comest forth from the night, I have not attacked any man. (etc)
Budge translation -- source here
Pyramid texts claim Thoth came from a land to the West ,an Island. It was described as the (Island of flame)
I guess he's interpreting some meaning from what he found, is what's really happening here.
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by cornucopia
Why would I ask myself the questions I asked you? If I could ask myself I wouldn't have asked you to begin with. Sounds like you simply do not want to answer.
Originally posted by Byrd
Yes, it does seem this particular passage is not to be found anywhere in the "Book Of The Death". I couldn't find it, but maybe its there? But does that then mean then, if is not there. Cedric Leonard of the University of Oklahoma lied?
It means he's incorrect.
but other Egyptian texts do describe Thoth as being a man, who ruled as a king (COFFIN TEXTS).
Actually, the Coffin texts don't describe Thoth as a man... ever. They are a collection of spells and prayers found on a number of coffins (hence "coffin texts".) I can give you refernces to the Coffin Texts if you like.
Or maybe, he never existed as a real entity?
He was a deity.
In the (Papyrus of NU) Chapter XXXV Thoth is described as the ruler of the Western Dominion!!
Actually, it doesn't. The Papyrus of Nu contains the Negative confession:
Hail, Usekh-nemmt, who comest forth from Anu, I have not committed sin.
Hail, Hept-khet, who comest forth from Kher-aha, I have not committed robbery with violence.
Hail, Fenti, who comest forth from Khemenu, I have not stolen.
Hail, Am-khaibit, who comest forth from Qernet, I have not slain men and women.
Hail, Neha-her, who comest forth from Rasta, I have not stolen grain.
Hail, Ruruti, who comest forth from heaven, I have not purloined offerings.
Hail, Arfi-em-khet, who comest forth from Suat, I have not stolen the property of God.
Hail, Neba, who comest and goest, I have not uttered lies.
Hail, Set-qesu, who comest forth from Hensu, I have not carried away food.
Hail, Utu-nesert, who comest forth from Het-ka-Ptah, I have not uttered curses.
Hail, Qerrti, who comest forth from Amentet, I have not committed adultery, I have not lain with men.
Hail, Her-f-ha-f, who comest forth from thy cavern, I have made none to weep.
Hail, Basti, who comest forth from Bast, I have not eaten the heart.
Hail, Ta-retiu, who comest forth from the night, I have not attacked any man. (etc)
Budge translation -- source here
Pyramid texts claim Thoth came from a land to the West ,an Island. It was described as the (Island of flame)
They don't... my link was to the Pyramid Texts, which you can read for yourself. It really is the guide for the soul into the land of the dead.
I guess he's interpreting some meaning from what he found, is what's really happening here.
A good scholar gives an accurate translation -- and links sources. You can interpret, but as a scholar your work is under constant examination. If you can't even find the correct sources, you can't ever draw a correct interpretation and your work is worthless.
You have to start with real sources.
He has not -- or he hasn't even bothered to check whether his sources are correct.
That's academic dishonesty.edit on 28-12-2011 by Byrd because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by cornucopia
Thank you, when 2012 comes and goes and nothing happens I will hold you to that. I may ask you to get on an antipsychotic as well, we shall see. Who knows maybe you will be right, I just think the odds are worse than the lottery. I'm ready to eat my words, I'm glad you claim you will too.
Originally posted by EarthChilde
reply to post by Hanslune
The present world is the healthiest from War? I assure you that it is not, the position you take as a supposed student of history must be reviewed with a less biased approach. Also I do admit, perspective and definition of 'healthy' may be different. The fact that history is written by victors should not need to be stated, but sounds like it must as a gentle reminder that indeed, we are the most deadly and aggressive manifestation of our species in it's history. We battle and kill and rape and pillage in the name of greed and it has gotten worse throughout history. We have technology and wisdom as a species to survive with enough food, shelter, water and continued pursuit of knowledge and growth without killing a single human being yet this is exactly what we have done for the last century in droves. I have heard people take this position of yours that we are not killing and aggressive for survival anymore, www.physorg.com... essentially that idea is correct, but that is what makes the last century even more of a travesty.
That mega corporations are not controlling the main essence of life on this planet is absolutely false and I really feel empathy for anyone who cannot see this. GE, EXXON, Coca-Cola, Monsanto, Wal-Mart, Shell the list is long and devastating to us as a species. en.wikipedia.org...
You can argue that indeed we have created this mess and we must deal with it, and to that I say YES SIR. We must deal with it and I for one am ready to enlighten and grow past this aggressive and greed infested manifestation of our species. It is time to mature and all options should be pursued and exhausted, not just the ones that are being manipulated through massive media suggestion. Marketing and consumerism has been refined to a very aggressive attack on the species in the last century as well. This has been documented by many sociologists, psychologists and educators as it has become more and more invasive. www.cbc.ca...
Peace and light to all
Originally posted by Hanslune
I'll comment here on war in our modern world
War continues but at a greatly reduce impact and 'pace' , example:
About 200 years ago the Battle of Waterloo was found in about 12 hours on June 14, 1815 between the Allies lead by England and Prussia vs The French Empire; 200,000 men were engaged. In that short period 13,000 men were known to have been killed and 43,000 were wounded; another 20,000 were never accounted for.
In the ten years since 9/11 US and allied forces have lost 4,800 men and women killed.
In less than a day 13,000 men were killed vs 4,800 over ten years - this is a indication of 'impact and pace'
What we have now are small wars, counter-insurgencies not the large coalitions of nations fighting one another
Put another way during WW2 27,000 people died each day of war related actions, in todays world that is around 2-300 and that includes actions and violence that isn't state sponsored wars
Originally posted by OccamsRazor04
reply to post by cornucopia
Why would I ask myself the questions I asked you? If I could ask myself I wouldn't have asked you to begin with. Sounds like you simply do not want to answer.
Originally posted by WatchRider
reply to post by angellicview
You keep saying 'hallow' but do you mean 'hollow'?
Because otherwise your post doesn't make as much sense.
It could of been Atlantis was on a separate timeline and 'blended-in' to this one.
Which is why it's such a distant and strange legend...