Quake Watch 2012

reply to post by lurksoften


No, it was much worse than that!
It apparently was me & ATS. I had to log back in for some reason.
Everything went 'wonky' & not just with the usual absence of avitars & extra advertisements
you see if you don't log in.
I had to zoom to 150% everything was so small, & the layout was different,
the background was so dark the text almost wasn't readable.
And there was no place to click to reply!
Never saw that before!

It's normal now when I clicked on it. Much more info showing up too!
Going back to reread it now!

Don't electronics sometimes go wonky before big earthquakes?
(Cue ominous background music!)
WOQ

reply to post by angelchemuel


A bit unfair I think Rainbows. I was responding to WOQ because of the line "I was intrigued by the storyline, can't wait for the new season to start here & see where they go with it too! "

As as regards the rest "but Christopher is trying to develop a 'safe' way, because the place in China where he was frakking had`an earthquake due to the frakking...they even kept it at a low seismic reading....his 'conscience' has got the better of him! " I was basically observing that without suggesting anything new they WILL feed out to the sheeple the line that fracking is safe and it was just some problem in nasty old China who are baddies anyway. Note that this attack of conscience did not occur about a US well.

It will probably transpire that the Chinese well was fracked in an unsafe fashion and the "American Way" is perfectly safe.

I do not believe that the MSM has had an attack of of conscience and is about to say fracking is unsafe. They would be stepped on swiftly by their masters because any such dissent would affect profits.

But we shall see, or others will, how the story unfolds but this I can guarantee fracking will NOT be maligned.

I was right. Mississippi had an earthquake.

In Mississippi they have carbon sequestration.

Subterranean injection

"Main article: Carbon capture and storage

Carbon dioxide can be injected into depleted oil and gas reservoirs and other geological features, or can be injected into the deep ocean.[38]

The first large-scale CO2 sequestration project which began in 1996 is called Sleipner, and is located in the North Sea where Norway's StatoilHydro strips carbon dioxide from natural gas with amine solvents and disposed of this carbon dioxide in a deep saline aquifer. In 2000, a coal-fueled synthetic natural gas plant in Beulah, North Dakota, became the world's first coal using plant to capture and store carbon dioxide, at the Weyburn-Midale Carbon Dioxide Project.[39]

CO2 has been used extensively in enhanced crude oil recovery operations in the United States beginning in 1972.[40] There are in excess of 10,000 wells that inject CO2 in the state of Texas alone. The gas comes in part from anthropogenic sources, but is principally from large naturally occurring geologic formations of CO2. It is transported to the oil-producing fields through a large network of over 5,000 kilometres (3,100 mi) of CO2 pipelines. The use of CO2 for enhanced oil recovery (EOR) methods in heavy oil reservoirs in the Western Canadian Sedimentary Basin (WCSB) has also been proposed.[41] However, transport cost remains an important hurdle. An extensive CO2 pipeline system does not yet exist in the WCSB. Athabasca oil sands mining that produces CO2 is hundreds of kilometers north of the subsurface Heavy crude oil reservoirs that could most benefit from CO2 injection.


en.wikipedia.org...

(three years tv free is nothing- i just went 7 years. i have access to one at the moment- and I wished I didn't- it's horrible)

maybe all this global warming is a big conspiracy after all. they're just using the carbon dioxide in the drilling process, and at the end of it the inject it back in the ground and get credit for taking it out of the atmosphere. I'm just a gonzo reporter. I go where the story takes me. The gas companies will be able to squeeze every bit of of their fields and then when their depleted, they pump the waste down and the problem of the waste byproduct is gone and your being paid by power companies to scrub their smoke stacks and dump the stuff. huh,

This is a great way to call yourself green and clean and all the while your polluting even more and making money at every turn.

The whole idea that the Texas earthquakes weren't frackquakes is ridiculous. I thought about trying to construct a polite email to the geologist in the article. I wanted to challenge him and, rather than just call names, use facts and the overwhelming data to ask the question again. How can this be a coincidence?

The last two quakes in Oklahoma were just over twenty four hours apart. They were over 70 kms apart. 40miles.
Is this one fault? Come on!? That's a big fault. And it's not on a trend with the others. Oh, yes I checked. There is an injection well very near by - hold on i'll chekc

reply to post by PuterMan

Hmmmm......
I think they will probably milk it for all it's worth to play to both sides.
Keep the argument going back & forth so viewers with both views keep tuning in to see which side they favor!
More people watching that way. It's all about the ratings after all!

Wow, TV free for three years!
Can I be so bold as to ask what the catalyst was for your awakening???
Besides nothing worthwhile on to watch anymore!

We do find we don't watch much anymore, unless we're too tired at the end of the day to do anything else.
But then we usually turn it on & fall asleep anyway!
I find I spend much more time on ATS, than I do watching TV nowadays!
Don't know yet if that's a good thing or not!
WOQ

reply to post by wasobservingquietly

Can I be so bold as to ask what the catalyst was for your awakening???

Basically it was my interest in Yellowstone and geology and 'her wot sits next to me' found this weird site that had a thread all about Yellowstone and another one that dealt with earthquakes. She started telling me all about the conspiracies and such on that site. She was way more in to that side - mainly UFOs - than me but of course once on the site I guess the rest was inevitable.

Trying to recall the name of the site - Above something.......................

reply to post by PuterMan


Isn't it always a woman.....???
Well, we're all very glad she 'guided' you here!!!
WOQ

reply to post by PuterMan



Puters...I was joshing with you


Rainbows
Jane

Some 'adjustments' for you

Magnitude 6+ earthquakes downgraded: 2
Magnitude 5 or 6+ earthquakes upgraded: 1
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Downgraded quake
us|c000cz76|?|Monday, October 01, 2012 22:21:46 UTC|39.808|143.099|6.1|15|?|100km ENE of Miyako, Japan
Downgraded quake
us|c000cxd5|?|Thursday, September 27, 2012 23:53:49 UTC|-8.845|157.48|5.8|10|?|108km SE of Gizo, Solomon Islands
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Upgraded quake
us|c000cw0l|?|Tuesday, September 25, 2012 23:45:24 UTC|24.666|-110.173|6.3|10|?|56km NNE of La Paz, Mexico
Log closed 095800
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Source: QVSData program log files.


@angel of the rainbows: Sometimes I can be a bit thick!

@WOQ: Yes, always the ladies that get us into things!!!!

5.3 earthquake, OFF W COAST OF NORTHERN SUMATRA. Oct 11 17:07 at epicenter (depth 29km).

2012-10-11 17:07:53 UTC
2012-10-11 23:07:53 UTC+06:00 at epicenter
2012-10-11 13:07:53 UTC-04:00 system time
Location
1.488°N 92.526°E depth=28.6km (17.8mi)

Nearby Cities
442km (275mi) WSW of Sinabang, Indonesia
496km (308mi) SW of Meulaboh, Indonesia
546km (339mi) SW of Banda Aceh, Indonesia
575km (357mi) SW of Sigli, Indonesia
1035km (643mi) W of Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

AND

QUAKE THAT JUST HIT CENTRAL CHILE WAS A MAGNITUDE 5.7 - USGS
Chile's emergency office ONEMI says no reports of injuries or infrastructure harm post tremor

Fiordland, New Zealand in lock down? pressure building for a 5+?
not much happening down there over the last 10 days
last 10 days NZ interactive maps
or is SeisComP3 not working properly?

all the action seems to be off Gisborne and the East Cape

Activity slowly turning up in California starting at 2:05 pm pacific time....

abclocal.go.com...

Its small but its now becoming constant.... be alert if your in California

5.1 earthquake, 100km ENE of Visokoi Island,. Oct 11 20:03 at epicenter (depth 35km)

2012-10-11 22:03:45 UTC
2012-10-11 20:03:45 UTC-02:00 at epicenter
2012-10-11 18:03:45 UTC-04:00 system time
Location
56.304°S 25.733°W depth=34.9km (21.7mi)

Nearby Cities
100km (62mi) ENE of Visokoi Island,
2648km (1645mi) ESE of Ushuaia, Argentina
2851km (1772mi) ESE of Rio Gallegos, Argentina
2868km (1782mi) SE of Puerto Deseado, Argentina
2146km (1333mi) ESE of Stanley, Falkland Islands

6.7 earthquake, 78km N of Dobo, Indonesia. Oct 12 09:31 at epicenter (depth 33km)

2012-10-12 00:31:30 UTC
2012-10-12 09:31:30 UTC+09:00 at epicenter
2012-10-11 20:31:30 UTC-04:00 system time
Location
5.061°S 134.148°E depth=33.0km (20.5mi)

Nearby Cities
78km (48mi) N of Dobo, Indonesia
168km (104mi) ENE of Tual, Indonesia
238km (148mi) SW of Nabire, Indonesia
463km (288mi) S of Manokwari, Indonesia
895km (556mi) NNE of Darwin, Australia

ptwc.weather.gov...

Originally posted by kennvideo
6.7 earthquake, 78km N of Dobo, Indonesia. Oct 12 09:31 at epicenter (depth 33km)

Everyone needs their own home made seismometer...

Date,12/10/2012-07:31:29 UTC+7
Mag, 7.0 RS (ML),
Depth, 22 Km,
Location, 4.92 S 134.07 E,
The quake's epicenter was at sea 142 km Southeast Kaimana,
Felt In, III-IV Ambon, II-III Wamena , III Nabire

www.bmkg.go.id...

7.0ML, but does it qualify as a "significant earthquake 314-2012" ?

Might as well, this one from the same spot in 2010 had 6.9ML and went to 7.2Mw.

Date/Time: 2010/9/29 17:11:24
Lat: -4.92 Long: 133.783
Region: Aru Basin, S of Irian Jaya, Indonesia
Mw: 7.2 Ms: 6.9
Mb: 6.8 ML: 6.9
Me: Unk:
Depth: 12.3 km
Deaths: n/a , Injuries: n/a
Tsunami: n/a
Source: usgs
MM8 Tual, Maluku [4], MM7 Nabire, Papua [3], Ambon, Maluku, MM4 Aberpura, Sarong, Papua, MM2 Darwin [4], Galiwinku [2], Howard Springs, Katherine, Northern Territory, Australia
This quake was preceded approximately 27 seconds earlier by a smaller, magnitude 6.2Mw event, from nearly the same epicenter. [usgs]
archive

There is just no consistency in the magnitude conversion process , same spot, OK 10km deeper, but heck how can one quake be 6.9ML/7.2Mw and another be 7.0ML/6.7Mw


seems to be some differing opinions as to what time it is at the epicentre

bmg (indonesian quake source) 7:31:29 (UTC+7)
kennvideo's source ( ptwc) 9:31.29 (UTC+9)

LDEO say there were a few aftershocks to that "Balleny Islands " 6.4ish quake the other day

2012 10 10 10 38 48.0 -59.75 153.25 33.0 4.9 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
2012 10 10 8 29 4.0 -60.25 153.75 33.0 4.9 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
2012 10 9 17 52 56.0 -60.75 153.25 33.0 5.4 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
2012 10 9 12 32 16.0 -60.75 153.75 33.0 6.5 WEST OF MACQUARIE ISLAND
www.ldeo.columbia.edu...

5.1 earthquake, 10km NW of Yokaichiba, Japan. Oct 12 13:57 at epicenter (depth 35km).

2012-10-12 04:57:21 UTC
2012-10-12 13:57:21 UTC+09:00 at epicenter
2012-10-12 00:57:21 UTC-04:00 system time
Location
35.762°N 140.462°E depth=34.9km (21.7mi)

Nearby Cities
10km (6mi) NW of Yokaichiba, Japan
13km (8mi) E of Narita, Japan
13km (8mi) SSW of Sawara, Japan
15km (9mi) SSW of Katori-shi, Japan
70km (43mi) E of Tokyo, Japan

reply to post by alfa1


You are of course right, everyone does need their own homemade seismometer, so how about giving us some details instead of just an image? I already knew you had one one but I have no doubt that others would like details of how to make one to run on Windows (HP or Compaq notebook running XP with the AC power pugged in and using a wireless connection?).

I would not see much here! The 6.7 as seen in Ireland IGLA.EI..BHZ.2012.286 - yes that was good then.

reply to post by muzzy

Might as well, this one from the same spot in 2010 had 6.9ML and went to 7.2Mw.

And then was reduced to 7.0 Mw (Location and depth changed)

Date Time Lat Lon Depth Mag Magt Nst Gap Clo RMS SRC Event ID
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2010/09/29 17:11:25.94 -4.9630 133.7600 26.00 7.00 Mw 271 1.31 NEI 201009294033
2010/09/29 17:10:51.08 -4.9090 133.7120 10.00 6.20 Mb 272 1.24 NEI 201009294032

Here are the original values for > M6 on that day

Prov,Date/Time UTC,Latitude,Longitude,Magnitude,Depth(Km),Location
usgs,2010-09-29 17:11:24, -4.920, 133.783, 7.2, 12.3, Nr. S. Coast Of Papua. Ind.
usgs,2010-09-29 17:10:51, -4.905, 133.710, 6.2, 10.0, Nr. S. Coast Of Papua. Ind.
newz,2010-09-29 04:14:48, -36.739, 177.221, 6.5, 281.4, Whakatane Seamount - Nz

7.0ML, but does it qualify as a "significant earthquake 314-2012" ?

I would say not because if you look at your own conversion chart a Mag 7.0ML is ~ Mag 6.6 Mw. That does not make it a Mag 7 if you try and use a consistent set of values across the board.

Mb: 6.8 ML: 6.9 - that is fairly consistent as 6.8 Mb is ~ 6.51 Mw but Mb is saturated at that level.

Mw: 7.2 Ms: 6.9 - that is apparently incorrect. 6.9 Ms is ~M7.71 Mw on your conversion values. I have noticed this quite often that the Ms values appear wrong. Maybe the formula is wrong?

Originally posted by PuterMan
You are of course right, everyone does need their own homemade seismometer, so how about giving us some details instead of just an image? I already knew you had one one but I have no doubt that others would like details of how to make one ...

Oh good grief, I certainly wouldnt use mine as any kind of an example as a suggestion of what to build, seeing how freaking complex and time consuming it was to build, not to mention experimental, customised funny software with clunky USB interface (but stylishly steampunk).
www.brasswings.com...

But if I was to suggest any hints at all, there appears to be two popular bits of software in use...

1. Amaseis.
Takes data in through the serial port (which counts out most laptops although adapters are readily available, as is software that fools your computer into thinking soundcard microphone data is coming in through the serial port).
Amaseis is sepecifically written for one particular model of seismometer, the AS1, but looking over the specs it appears that if you have the right kind of analog to digital converter you can plug almost anything into it.

2. Winquake
Seems to offer input through both USB and serial, but specifically written for one particular $170 interface board.

With your computer now displaying data coming in through your analog to digital converter, you now need some analog signal to feed into it.
Mechanical arrangements are a plenty. Lots of weird and wonderful designs, all intended to take the tiny tiny tiny momements from an earthquake half a world away and convert them into an electrical signal.
But for simplicities sake, try a "lehman" type of seismometer. This is a long boom with a weight on the end. Any swinging of this boom gets picked up by a sensor coil. If you've got a bit of handyman skills, you can build one at home with easily available bits from your local hardware store.
Google this, lots of people have built them.