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One person should only be so rich.

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posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 06:31 AM
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I can relate, but I can't necessarily agree. I see where your coming from in terms of how much wealth and power can one person wield? But the fact of the matter is that if a group of people reached the ceiling of allowed wealth, somehow there would be an individual or group that would seek to consolidate, accruing even a more powerful base, it's just human nature. And human nature is a tough thing to harness, and in my opinion, should be left to exhibit it's humanity. The human collective is not ready to embrace your ideology just yet, in terms of absolutes, so I would say, in what I believe to be your Utopia, that it is now, and in the near future, still unworkable. Plato's ideology on this type of world was even fraught with problems in execution. As I say, there will be some of us who will catch your drift, but the reality of civilization is, that this time it's still only a theme for future generations to embrace.




posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 06:48 AM
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Originally posted by s12345
I believe that there should be a limit on how much wealth one person could have: this would solve some of the worlds problems, it would mean too much power could not be in the hands of one person, help to solve inequality, and increase social mobility, less wealth at the very top would only be a good thing. Although this would be difficult to enforce I think it would be a good thing for the world. How about a maximum wealth of 100 million pounds worldwide for any individual?


Just guessing, but I have a feeling you may be a member of an English commonwealth. Thus there are certain ingrained philosophical tenants you espouse or grown into. Though you may be trying to evolve those ideologies into a working social structure, they are simply what your base of reasoning has experienced, and that which 'you' are trying to expound upon. Take into consideration your base of values...

And sadly, the rest of the world has many divergent ideologies quite different from yours or mine, some to the point of 'Barbarism' ........
edit on 25-12-2011 by Plotus because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:00 AM
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I don't understand why you are dwelling on a ceiling rather than making laws that give equal oppertunity and no advantage to anyone or group. Split Infinity



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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Originally posted by maestromason
If you do not like living in a class-based society then there is always the option of renouncing your US citizenry and moving to a more social-based country.



Uhm....we're debating about potential solutions here and all you can come up with is "you can always move to another country"



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by SplitInfinity
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I don't understand why you are dwelling on a ceiling rather than making laws that give equal oppertunity and no advantage to anyone or group. Split Infinity



I think you mis interpret my meaning. It is not my 'dwelling' on a ceiling, rather a definition of the mechanics of a probable way of getting around the rules. 'If there were in fact rules' Some group will always seek an advantage, it's just how people are wired.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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You can't legislate 'goodness behavior' in people, it is learned, not dispensed.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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Originally posted by Unrealised
To me, Communism is the way of the future.

According to this site, Ignorance is frowned upon, but it is the prehistoric-like fear of Communism that, to me, is a blatant red-flag that people do not understand the true miracle that Communism could be for the World.

The biggest secret of economics is that Communism is a very powerful system.




Of course, in a sick and perverted system such as Imperialism, it is called, basically, The Devil.







Get educated and elect people who aren't in it for the money.


Communism is a dead and decayed fossil that didn't work out and won't. That's why human evolution has seen it fit that it is basically extinct.

Powerful? For whom? Usually the State apparatus that centrally plans it.

You're revisionism and romanticizing of a flawed based system of governance and mode of production is just that...romanticizing. It doesn't work, there is no future in it. Check a map of the world's economic systems. Educate yourself. It's DEAD, as it should be.

The survivors that escaped or remained in the Eastern Bloc could tell you a tale. But I would have trouble believing that you've ever spoken to one beyond the binders of a book?



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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It's amazing, the OP supporters are only interested in and envy of the wealth, for example of Bill Gates. Consider the amount of wealth he has given away without the need for it being required to do so. No mention of that because it was not directly into your bank accounts.

Not to mention the huge amount of jobs created by his enterprise...not by the administration in office at the time.

Off topic...Merrry Christmas everyone!!!



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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Good idea. Slavery should also be made legal again.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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I prefer the other way around, 'one could only be so poor'
Is not being rich a problem for the individual right? no one likes being poor...



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Envy is definitely an aspect of it for some people. It is natural to regret that others possess what you don't have - especially money and financial security. But another aspect of it is compassion. Is it just that there are billions of people starving to death, thousands living on the street, millions struggling just to pay their bills, while there are people with enough money to buy their own islands?

There will always be those that cannot help or provide for themselves, but the disproportion in numbers between the financially secure and financially insecure is staggering. The system is broken.
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posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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Although i have not read every post on this thread, the theme is not the billions of starving people but is a self centered, soul sickness of wanting what your neighbor has by way of legislation.

My observation of my surroundings are this. I went to college for aviation maint. and make a middle class living wage so to speak. I made a decent decision and paid for it myself. At the same time i'm watching people i know go to college and spend the grants and loans while taking courses such as film appreciation. They watch sitcoms. And are looking to be social workers. Bad decision.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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Yea there seems to be one in this very thread.

Like great you did good & made money, good for you. Doesn't mean you need to be a jackarse to everybody else. (not you, im speaking generally)



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Okay, this is my debut ATS reply. Congratulations, you've turned another lurking fanatic into a member. I'm going to skip the BS and get right to my point- Theres only so much money!!!!! What this means is: the more I have, the less you can hope to have. Consider the Six heirs to the Walmart fortune. These people are worth more than the lower 30% of America! And even worse: they keep their money in banks accruing interest while spending close to nil. That money could be in the economy, and our government could be taxing it. In short sir, I think you have a point, but it's a very risky proposition that may inadvertently set unwelcome precedents.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 09:30 AM
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In due time our numbers will be scarce and these things will be of tales, if even that survives.

I'm not speaking of a doomsday, just using an example. Money is money, and time is money. We've been born into an undeniable mentality and thick-process that has been several years in the making now. The truth is, is that the elite will continue to thrive with numbers vastly greater than any one human or their family needs to survive. The truth is, is that most will never go to bed and one night think of the 2 billion humans living in poverty, while they polish their gut off with a fortune of snacks and things they think they "worked for", and don't get me wrong, there are some hard workers out there. Where I live, back 50 years ago everybody worked with their hands, and now this age is here.

Even outside the city here, most men work their backs off fishing, working with lumber, contracting for family, doing large volumes of work that none of these men in business suits have done in some time no doubt. Not to this extent, not to the extent of sweating blood then returning home, if you even have that option, to sustain the family.

Location and circumstance will always vary. America will fall, in due time, as will most of these vast legions of those whoring off green inheritance or sheer loopholes that further net them an amount we cannot really imagine, or would rather not imagine due to how disgusting it is. If you have a heart, you recognize these things. If you take the position that one person did in this thread, of raising a business from the ground and splitting the shares and profit with family and those close-by, I see nothing wrong with that. It's when the numbers triple, quadruple what one and their family needs that things get hectic and things are just plain wrong.

Wealth will never be divided equally unless several million people decide to play Robin Hood, and even if a revolution was to happen, we would end up here again because we have not had much of an opportunity with the population at hand to relish in the splendor of even a small amount of equality. The system is interwoven into the mentality from birth. These arguments just trace their lines back to a circle.

Eventually we'll need to come together at one point of convergence, but with the history of humans at present, I would be more surprised if convergence and a "general awakening" was to come than the more-than-likely-than chance of us completely destroying ourselves while apart of this system before we rebuild and perhaps, someday are able to take into view some sense of equality and ability to not take everything for granted, including our own resources.

If the Earth was a dude who guided all of us smaller dudes, I'm sure the other planets would look at him and go, "Dude, why the # can't you get it together?"

Somewhere in some of our minds lies a future like Star Wars for example, with a fleet governed by strict politics and a large system that works on terra-forming or start anew on other planets. To thrive in this type of "Type 1" galactic society is a brain-teaser. The possibility gains strength with the advancement of technology, and somewhere, somehow, most think that we'll reach this point with the mentality of the population at hand, which couldn't be further from the truth from the way that I see things.

I'm tired of hearing political views, I'm tired of hearing words like "communism" and I'm tired of the sense of pure distaste that you get once these words are thrown around, but from this standpoint of pure political jargon you see that we're in a system at present that shouldn't have existed for at least another 50 years or more. In time the population will double (if it is allowed), and the world will be governed by a strict system, like the one of a galactic nature. At present we are still learning of space, and while our science and technology continues to tread on with advancement, a dwindling bout of tunnel vision will eventually fade to black before we reach the "galactic" sort of system that would inevitable come from humans like us, anyways.

When it all comes crashing down, once again, and it will. Hopefully humanity develops a sense of empathy and loyalty to it's own people, instead of being forced apart and as hateful as it currently is, by a heap full of envious green and shiny valuable metals. It's unbelievable how much we subconsciously choose to simply ignore, due to the negative repercussions of a dwelling mind. Ignorance is bliss, until everything comes crashing down.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 09:36 AM
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The reality is if You were to put an arbitrary number of 100 million dollars to all the wealth You could own all that would happen is that we would see deflation instead of inflation (which means the rich would still be rich)

The rich can only own 100 million(fiat currency) so now your 200k home is worth only 20k, gas goes from $4 a gallon back to .25 but Your minimum wage drops from $7 an hour back to $1 an hour. Everyone still has the same amount of wealth relative to what they have today it just doesn't look as good on paper.

The reality is that You could feed,house and clothe yourself for free off the land (with your own labor)so everyone should be able to do this with the minimum wage paid, and they probably can. the problem is that people don't see only food ,shelter,clothing as the only essentials any longer they feel they are entitled to air conditioning,the new cell phones,newest game systems for their children,cable television,internet access etc... while they are entitled to these things(if they can afford them) they are not a necessary need for survival.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 10:26 AM
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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by maestromason
If you do not like living in a class-based society then there is always the option of renouncing your US citizenry and moving to a more social-based country.



Uhm....we're debating about potential solutions here and all you can come up with is "you can always move to another country"


Potential solution to what?

Free-Market Capitalism?

I like things just the way they are thank you. I am already taking care of people who do not want to work, why would I want my taxes to go up any further than they already are.

Moving out of the country is the ONLY solution to your unhappiness problem. People do it all the time, it is no big deal. You just go through the US Department of State's procedures and voila ...US citizenry is renounced and you are free as a bird to go to any socialist country in the world.

So why complain?

Just do it!



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 10:30 AM
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Originally posted by s12345
I believe that there should be a limit on how much wealth one person could have: this would solve some of the worlds problems, it would mean too much power could not be in the hands of one person, help to solve inequality, and increase social mobility, less wealth at the very top would only be a good thing. Although this would be difficult to enforce I think it would be a good thing for the world. How about a maximum wealth of 100 million pounds worldwide for any individual?


if u ask me limit would be 10mill euros,as that is more than enough for each family for all their need. But i am sure Rothchilds and Rokkefellers would have something to say about it.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by s12345
I believe that there should be a limit on how much wealth one person could have: this would solve some of the worlds problems, it would mean too much power could not be in the hands of one person, help to solve inequality, and increase social mobility, less wealth at the very top would only be a good thing. Although this would be difficult to enforce I think it would be a good thing for the world. How about a maximum wealth of 100 million pounds worldwide for any individual?


You know what I love most about people with arguments like this: The "amount of money" that is considered "too much" by them is always much more than what they, themselves, have in their own pockets.

From Bill Gates & Donald Trump to the guy on the street corner begging for your change, someone always has more or less money than you do. It's best to just keep your mouth shut and stop making a fool of yourself with socialist and ridiculous comments like this.

After all, if we all lived in your ideal world, i'd simply be able to walk into your house, take all of your hard earned possessions because...? You have more than I do.



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 10:46 AM
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Originally posted by PaxVeritas


Communism is a dead and decayed fossil that didn't work out and won't. That's why human evolution has seen it fit that it is basically extinct.



Human evolution? You mean government propaganda? Heyy look how f***ed up the world is right now. It's OBVIOUS that the current government systems are working juuuust fine.




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