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Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by lbndhr
as a 5th gen then you should know , the minute men where terrorist to the Brits and the Brits where terrorist to the minute men. tit for tat so who is who and what is what, it is not black and white now is it?
and yes I took the countries names out of the definitions... No need for that...
Focus on the critical sentence: "Yet, when a victim explodes or acts out in unacceptable ways, these same officials are shocked and indignant."
What exactly are these "unacceptable ways" of exploding or acting out? Who decided they were "unacceptable"? Why is it that "reluctant school officials" will not "take definitive action" against the bullies -- thus tacitly conceding that the bullying itself is not all that "unacceptable" -- while the same officials are "shocked and indignant" when the victim protests too strongly?
This pattern, and certain of its origins, will be found throughout history, in every culture around the world. The pattern is a simple and deadly one: the oppressor -- that is, those who are in the superior position, whether they are parents, school officials, or the government, or in a superior position merely by virtue of physical strength -- may inflict bodily harm and/or grievous, lifelong emotional and psychological injury, but the victim may only protest within the limits set by the oppressor himself. The oppressor will determine those forms of protest by the victim that are "acceptable."
You see this pattern with regard to many helpless, lonely children in addition to Billy Wolfe...
The oppressor may inflict unimaginable cruelties on innocent victims -- but the victims may only protest in ways which the oppressor deems "acceptable." The profound injustice is obvious, but not in itself remarkable or unexpected: this is how oppression operates. But ask yourself about the deeper reason for the prohibition. This is of the greatest importance: the victims may only protest within a constricted range of "permissible" behavior because, when they exceed the prescribed limits, they make the oppressors too uncomfortable. They force the oppressors to confront the nature of what they, the oppressors, have done in ways that the oppressors do not choose to face.
Take some time to appreciate the unfathomable cruelty of this pattern. You may be grievously harmed and even permanently damaged by the actions of those who hold unanswerable power -- but you may only speak about this evil and its effects within the very narrow limits set by those who would destroy you. If you are killed, the identical prohibitions apply to those who still manage to survive and who would protest the unforgivable crime committed against you. In this manner, the complacency and comfort of those who possess immense power and wealth are underwritten by the silence forced upon their victims. The victims may speak and even protest, but only within severely circumscribed limits, and only so long as their rulers are not made to feel too uncomfortable, or too guilty. Anything which approaches too close to the truth is strictly forbidden.
SOURCE:Memo to the Victims: You Yourselves Will Pay for the Crimes of the Ruling Class powerofnarrative.blogspot.com...
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by SmArTbEaTz
If I really wanted to I could go and create an account with Wiki and change that the page that the op has used to put in whatever rubbish I want. Wki should never ever be used as a source at best it is good for getting some background information but it is the worst possible source anyone can present to back up a argument.
The only thing worse than trying to use Wikipedia to define terrorism is a online dictionary, I honestly can’t take anyone seriously who is so naive as to use one of those to define something as complex as terrorism.
Furthermore if you had bothered to read my thread you might have noticed that the main theme is discussing the difficulties in pinning down a true definition of terrorism and not actually providing a definitive definition. It is not my opinion it is just a statement of fact, terrorism cannot be defined and one should be careful when using the word. I apologise that the language used in my thread was not simple enough to convey that message to you, I will lower the reading age for my future threads.
For the record for myself I hold the definition of terrorism to be that as set out under the Terrorism Act 2000, however due to the subjective nature of the word you may hold true a different definition depending on your state.
and yes I took the countries names out of the definitions... No need for that...
Considering that it is the state that defines terrorism there is every need for that, in fact it is the only thing you really need, not the dictionary.
edit on 23-12-2011 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by SmArTbEaTz
If I really wanted to I could go and create an account with Wiki and change that the page that the op has used to put in whatever rubbish I want. Wki should never ever be used as a source at best it is good for getting some background information but it is the worst possible source anyone can present to back up a argument.
The only thing worse than trying to use Wikipedia to define terrorism is a online dictionary, I honestly can’t take anyone seriously who is so naive as to use one of those to define something as complex as terrorism.
Furthermore if you had bothered to read my thread you might have noticed that the main theme is discussing the difficulties in pinning down a true definition of terrorism and not actually providing a definitive definition. It is not my opinion it is just a statement of fact, terrorism cannot be defined and one should be careful when using the word. I apologise that the language used in my thread was not simple enough to convey that message to you, I will lower the reading age for my future threads.
For the record for myself I hold the definition of terrorism to be that as set out under the Terrorism Act 2000, however due to the subjective nature of the word you may hold true a different definition depending on your state.
and yes I took the countries names out of the definitions... No need for that...
Considering that it is the state that defines terrorism there is every need for that, in fact it is the only thing you really need, not the dictionary.
edit on 23-12-2011 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by lbndhr
I'm sure you know that "terrorist" is an emotionally loaded word and it's definition can be the source of angry debate. Before we get to that situation, could you explain what your definition of a terrorist is?
It's certainly not a group of people who use violence to attain a goal. Nor is it a group of people who have an idea they want accepted.
A solid definition of "terrorist" might help this thread go more smoothly.
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Noble Americans, like innocent children, could then be perceived as the enemy and become objects of hate. Americans with common sense are presently called terrorists because they hold up a mirror to those with converted and treacherous hearts.
In anticipation of the next 9/11, many have begun transferring their sympathies to foreign terrorists. In this context, those already preconditioned through family life to respond to the strongest force, (a tyrant parent or sibling) shall turn on those who stand tall. Many, who oppose the war, have hearts already beating in sympathy with dictators like Saddam Hussein. A traumatic event of great magnitude will complete the transfer of loyalty from family bullies to America 's bullies, tipping the balance of the election to the terrorists’ advantage, as recently occurred in Spain.
im thinking your talking about me hating America, I love America, my fellow neighbors east to west to north, Americans are caring sharing by nature, know the current leadership name some loving caring decisions they made in past 10 plus years that was brought with us normal citizens into the ideas before they were enacted?
It certainly seems like you're calling bankers, goverment, and industry, terrorists. You shouldn't be surprised when people say to you "Wait a minute, hold on there."
Is it a terrorist act to, loan money to bad ideas? knowing it will fail before the loan has even left the bank? is it terrorist act to loan money to people who never intend to pay them back all the while continue taking from everyone they can knowing the people are doing this before the loan leaves the bank? is it terrorist act to realize a leadership is purposing sabatozing a country? IS it terrorist act to knowing put chemicals known toharm people in theri food and drugs?
Originally posted by newyorkee
Hi,
you guys remember rambo 3....at the end....it was dedicated to the "galant" afghan people and their "struggle"for freedom or something....soo,,,,,if rambo kills a bunch of russians who never actually atacked us directly....its ok..and the "poor terrorists" are out numbered in their killing of the evil russians...so we need to help them (1988)
and now (2011) those same "terrorists" that try and kill us might have the same support from the russians since after all they arent killing them anymore....they are killing US...
Just to note...even if they kill us or russians for example....they are killing the invading force in that region....soooo
maybe the crazy liberals or the hard ass republicans are both wrong......
but either way....if we LEAVE they will have a harder time killing us......might just go back to killing eachother untill one group wins or all agree to end the madness......its not up to us....thats the real issue....who the hell are we to tell them to make up and play nice....edit on 24-12-2011 by newyorkee because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by lbndhr
Dear lbndhr,
You know, seabag may have a point. Whether it's confusion in language, or definitions, or thought, you do seem to be creating the impression that you think there are a lot of terrorist activity committed by Americans. Do you remember this post:
It certainly seems like you're calling bankers, goverment, and industry, terrorists. You shouldn't be surprised when people say to you "Wait a minute, hold on there."
Is it a terrorist act to, loan money to bad ideas? knowing it will fail before the loan has even left the bank? is it terrorist act to loan money to people who never intend to pay them back all the while continue taking from everyone they can knowing the people are doing this before the loan leaves the bank? is it terrorist act to realize a leadership is purposing sabatozing a country? IS it terrorist act to knowing put chemicals known toharm people in theri food and drugs?
With respect,
Charles1952