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Originally posted by thedman
One of the major tenents of " 911 truthism" is that buildings can not collapse from fire alone.
Yet a fire in a building being used as a storage facility caused the structure to collapse
After more than a day of burning, interior sections of a massive Elizabeth warehouse have begun to collapse under the heat of an eight-alarm fire that continues to blaze.
Originally posted by QueSeraSera
Does anybody know if these burning skyscrapers in VietNam collapsed into their own footprint? This fire was "news" for less than one day, and there don't seem to be any articles about it after 12/16/11.
As I asked before, can anyone find reports that these burning towers have collapsed into their own footprints? I have been unsucessful in seeing any MSM coverage since 12/16.
www.cnn.com... +rss%2Fcnn_topstories+%28RSS%3A+Top+Stories%29edit on 28-12-2011 by QueSeraSera because: Sorry for that commercial! Grrrr!
Minoru Yamasaki will forever be remembered alongside America’s most profound architectural disaster. Whatever he was before 2001—which was dead, maligned, and mainly sliding away into obscurity—he is forever after the designer of the most ambitious modern structure ever to end up as a gaping hole. The World Trade Center, at this point, has been sufficiently eulogized, and the rebuilding process has brought a healthy dose of controversy to a city that seemed on pause while the wreckage was being cleared. But before closing the book on Yamasaki and his work, one last review of his career bestows upon him another spurious honor: possibly the most disastrous (and short-lived) legacy of 20th century American architecture. Yamasaki’s tale is a true American success story that not only ended in an immense tragedy, but was punctuated by numerous other disasters throughout his career. His buildings might be uninteresting, but his spectacular failures bring out the uncanny coalescence between Yamasaki’s work and the major controversies and programs of the last half-century.
n Yamasaki’s 1979 autobiography, A Life in Architecture, he admits more than anyone would care to know about his private life, but makes a glaring omission in his inventory of major projects: it was as if Pruitt-Igoe had never happened. Not a peep about it, aside from an allusion to some buildings that were “just plain bad,” but in the end acted as “forceful reminders that we must do more carefully thought-out work in succeeding commissions.” Lest we come to suspect that Yamasaki is whitewashing his career, he admits to other early failures. A building commissioned in 1951 by the Department of Defense was built without a sprinkler system, and then burned in a spectacular fire. That building, the U.S. Military Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, Missouri, housed 38 million individual service records and 4,000 employees. When it was completed in 1956, the six-story concrete and aluminum behemoth was one of the twenty largest buildings in the world.
Less than twenty years later, in July 1973, a fire tore through the building, burning out of control for more than two days. It was the weekend of the official end of the draft, and the news was all bombs and impeachment. Over the previous two years, the Records Center had reported a dozen small fires, all started intentionally. This one, set shortly after midnight on July 12, appeared to be another case of arson. No one died in the blaze, set when only 50 employees were on duty, but sixteen to eighteen million military personnel files, many of them irreplaceable, were lost. Today, the Personnel Records Center informs those seeking information that, as a result of the fire, it cannot provide access to 80 percent of army files on personnel discharged between 1912 and 1960, as well as 75 percent of air force personnel discharged between 1947 and 1964. Information about hundreds of thousands of veterans vanished from the face of the earth. The building survived.
I've never been one to get in to a debate about what happened on 9/11....
but reading this thread to day has opened up a whole new can of worms and leaves me and I'm guessing others with more questions than answers.
There have been various famous incidents of skyscrapers catching fire and burning for hours even days and yet they didn't collapse or sustain serious structural damage however, two skyscrapers made from steel just collapse in little over an hour?
I'm not doubting for one second there was a terrorist attack....
....but surely there must have been underground devices and extremely powerful ones at that. I guess we will never know.
So if fires cannot cause steel structures to fail, what happened to the floors inside WTC5? www.wpi.edu...
originally posted by: TheBolt
The aircraft damage had little to no bearing on the collapse itself as indicated in the precious FEMA reports. It also says that damage to WT7 had no significance in the onset of collapse there either. A plane flying into the biilsong is neither here nor tbere. All it did was start the fire. Compare the reaction of similar buildings to the fires alone, not to the cause of the fires. a reply to: wmd_2008
Construction Type: Reinforced concrete core with waffle slabs supported by internal RC columns and steel beams, with perimeter steel columns which were unprotected above the 17th Floor level at the time of the fire.
Nothing like the Twin Towers or Building 7 the problem is YOU GUYS think a building is a building is a building , they can be constructed in different ways with DIFFERENT materials check the rest and report back
originally posted by: nOraKat
a reply to: samkent
Where do you guys come from?
I believe in USGS, RJ Lee and these other groups who ran the tests.
I believe in these particular Chemical Engineers, Architects and other scientists who have taken the time out to give their testimonies in this documentary. They are many. I highly doubt all of these people are colluding to make a buck. Your statement is retarded.
originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: TheBolt
Read the reports on ALL those fires STEEL failed on them all JUST due to fire although they had NO structral damage due to aircraft impacts. Also a few had the fires fought and the only thing stopping collspse was CONCRETE.
You have to compare like with like.