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Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Islam will only stop attacking the West whilst we have our boot firmly on their necks
So when the "right-wing" talk about how there is a Muslim problem, or Muslims attacked us on 9/11. They are right in the context that the extreme Muslims play in this world! Of course the biggest one being that Bin Laden targeted USA in the name of Allah. But I guess that's a conspiracy theory huh?
Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by captaintyinknots
I don't see Americans highjacking planes and flying them into buildings regardless of the age and civilian status of the passengers.
I don't see Americans walking into subways with bombs strapped to their bodies and killing as many unarmed
people as they can just for the sake of killing as many unarmed people as they can.
I don't see Americans kidnapping eastern non combatants off the streets of the U.S, cutting their heads off and posting it on youtube.
I don't see Islamic jihadist wearing uniforms so that they can be identified for who they are.
I don't see Islamic jihadist doing what they can to help people who got in the way when they were attacking a military target. Oh wait. They don't attack military targtets just innocent civilians.
I didn't see any coalition forces in Afghanistan until one day a group of Islamic jihadist highjacked some airplanes and flew them into building in the U.S murdering thousands if innocet men women and children. And no they weren't casualties of war. They were murderd.
As I've said in a thread I posted. If these Islamic jihadist want to claim that they're soldiers then lets start shooting them for posing as civilians behind enemy lines and planning and carrying out attacks as per the rules of war.edit on 23-12-2011 by steveknows because: (no reason given)
I find it laughable that some people would defend the "poor terrorists" and then attack me or other right wing conservative people with past examples of ignorance and supposed propaganda based education. I guess the point I am trying to make is if you hate the way the right views Muslims and terrorists in General, why do you continue to find any excuse to justify terrorists actions? *Again, this p
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
Originally posted by captaintyinknots
So now both muslims and I need to grow up? Kinda starting to think YOU have a lot of growing up to do.
1) But please, tell me what I have generalized about in this thread. Id love to see it.
2)I'm sorry you feel that this is a fight. I'm simply discussing, and asking questions.
3)please show me where I have stood up for the rights of terrorists. The only right I have stuck up for is that of each nation to govern as they see fit without being forced into another nations ideologies.
4)so your dream is to live materially and have wealth. That's great. Why do you think everyone needs to have that dream? How do you feel about those that would tell you that your dream is immature and stupid, and that they will change that dream, by force if necessary?
You are a word twister arent you? I never said you are generalizing, you are accusing me of generalizing or labeling in every other post! Now that you are beginning to attack me more for a stupid "capitalistic" (Oh how dare I) dream I have, let me ask you some questions and please answer them without being naive or twisting my words into other questions. Because as you have said, you have offered very little about what you think of their culture, you just believe they have the right to do as they do, even though they don't as they don't have the same rights as we do here in America.
Do you believe that dictatorships should have the freedom to govern their countries, when it is known what they do, they don't allow their people any freedoms, and they finance hated filled propaganda type groups to spread a false message around the world?
Would you rather live under those cultures with no freedoms to express your very position on this subject? What exactly would have been your plan after 9/11.
If war, education, and diplomacy is not the answer what is? Leaving them be to kill themselves and do more 9/11s because its collateral damage from before?
Do you believe that Muslim extremists have the right to spread their religion onto others using violence and other terrorist activities if any other Religion did this they would be under fire as well! But most modern-day religions have grown up out of that nonsense. As already stated in my OP
So you never answered my original question: The left feels that the Right does what they do based on the Christian Religion and yet, when talking about Muslims extremists they find any other excuse but religion to try and justify their actions. Why? I think screaming Allah at the top of their lungs and praying eight times per day before carrying out such horrific acts of violence speaks for itself.edit on 23-12-2011 by jjf3rd77 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by captaintyinknots
What in the world happened?!? I thought we had this solved last night. How come there's so much fighting going on here now?
Honestly, truly, I was going to wait until we had three or four more posts to firm up the details, then I was going to send the thread to the State Derpartment with a note saying we had solved their Middle East problem.
In your opinion, is this thread a sign that we'll be fighting there forever?
Originally posted by seeker1963
reply to post by jjf3rd77
If you studied history it would make very clear sense as to why the Muslims hate Jews and Christians! Christianity is certainly not any less violent than Muslim beliefs if you go back in time and see how the Vatican used the Knights Templar to kill thousands of Muslims.....
edit on 23-12-2011 by seeker1963 because: (no reason given)
Al-Andalus (Arabic: الأندلس, trans. al-ʼAndalus, Spanish: Al-Ándalus, Portuguese: Al-Andalus), also known as Moorish Iberia, was a medieval Muslim nation and territorial region occupying most of what is today Spain and Portugal, and parts of modern France. The name more generally describes parts of the Iberian Peninsula and Septimania governed by Muslims (given the generic name of Moors), at various times in the period between 711 and 1492, although the territorial boundaries underwent constant changes due to wars with the Christian Kingdoms.
Following the Muslim conquest of Hispania, Al-Andalus was divided into five administrative areas roughly corresponding to Andalusia, Galicia and Portugal, Castile and León, Aragon and Catalonia, and Septimania. As a political domain or domains, it successively constituted a province of the Umayyad Caliphate, initiated by the Caliph Al-Walid I (711–750); the Emirate of Córdoba (c. 750–929); the Caliphate of Córdoba (929–1031); and the Caliphate of Córdoba's taifa (successor) kingdoms. Rule under these kingdoms saw the rise in cultural exchange and cooperation between Christians, Muslims, and Jews. Under the Caliphate of Córdoba, al-Andalus was a beacon of learning, and the city of Córdoba became one of the leading cultural and economic centres in both the Mediterranean Basin and the Islamic world.
Rule under the Almoravids and Almohads saw a decline in cultural and social exchange and increased persecution of religious minorities, with a return to more fundamentalist forms of Islam.
For much of its history, Al-Andalus existed in conflict with Christian kingdoms to the north, which at first were forced into subservience but eventually overpowered their Muslim neighbors to the South.
But should we be apologizing at all? No crusade was actually proclaimed against the Jews, although crusade preaching unleashed feelings that the Church could not control. As far as crusading itself is concerned, most Muslims do not view the crusades, in which they anyway believe they were victorious, in isolation. Islam has been spasmodically in conflict with Christianity since the Muslim conquests of the seventh century, long before the First Crusade, and the crusading movement was a succession of episodes in a continuum of hostility between the two religions. Muslims do not seem to have considered until relatively recently that the crusades stood out in this history; by 1500, indeed, they would have been justified in believing that that particular sequence of wars was ending in their favor. They might have lost Spain, but the Ottoman conquests in Europe had far exceeded anything the crusaders had gained in the East. In the late nineteenth century, however, they began to regard the West's monopoly of commerce and colonialism as a change of tactics, in which everything the crusaders had lost to them was being more than regained. It follows that apologizing to them now can never, as far as they are concerned, get to the root of the problem, because the crusades are merely symptomatic of a much longer-term competitiveness. It is rather like a marksman aiming at an opponent and, while he fires his rifle, expressing regrets for his ancestor's use of a bow and arrow.
But for many of the Christian penitents, what the Muslims think is of secondary importance; it is the Church's subjective act of repentance for past sin that matters. While this kind of self-accusation may make them feel good about themselves, it is possible that, in diverting attention from the real issues, they are doing more harm than good. How useful is it to condemn wars that were supported by great saints like Bernard of Clairvaux, Thomas Aquinas, Bridget of Sweden, Catherine of Siena, John of Capistrano, even possibly Francis of Assisi, however abhorrent the ethical principles on which they were based appear to be to us? Ought we not rather challenge the widespread sentimental and unhistorical assumptions that on the one hand Christianity is an unambiguously pacific religion and on the other that Christian justifications of force have been consistent?
Originally posted by jjf3rd77
reply to post by followtheevidence
So apparently the majority of people here feel that war is not the answer war is the reason the Muslim terrorists are provoked into doing things.
Do you think we would attack Christians if they did the same thing? Of course we would! But they don't and that's the difference, I wouldn't call all of Islam a hate filled religion, but extreme Christians (besides for a limited few) don't go around blowing up their own people to spread their message about Islamic domination!