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Originally posted by TheOneEyedProphet
reply to post by The Old American
why the excuses or the "i refuse to believe otherwise", where is the rationality of that?
The universe is "magical" by nature itself, Fibonacci sequence, chaos theory, electromagnetic anomalies, time space warping, dimensions, etc etc etc, the list goes on and on, but Santa? I mean please all bias aside, what is the point? selling toys? giving fat bearded guys jobs on this time of the year? propagating the double standards of a false life?
If you want your children innocent don't let them near TV or the interwebs, at all, what Xmas is today has a lot to do with spending and overindulging than anything else.
It seems to me Pavlov wasn't so lost after all...
Well, I actually disagree with it being the parent's choice as well xD There is a right or a wrong choice independent of either opinion. And it's not really a choice on behalf of other parents either imo, but a choice that will influence the future of humanity as a whole. You might think I'm exaggerating, but that's what it comes down to. How we raise our children will be reflected in society. If we raise them to believe in authority, they will grow up blindly believing that politicians or the government will make a difference, while they can take the power in their own hands to create something better. If we raise them to believe that materialistic goods are the most important measure of caring, they will grow up to have a lot of stuff. This is not what the world needs right now. But if we raise them to stand for truth and understanding, that's what we will bring forth, and we will raise some fascinating individuals.
Originally posted by DarknessMatters
You're welcome to disagree with my or any one else's opinion on this matter. But that just doesn't change the fact that it's the PARENT'S choice. No one, including you, the government, school's or anyone else; should make decision's like this on behalf of other parent's. And opinions are just that, Opinions. And we're all entitled to form and defend them.
Merry Christmas. I hope Santa leaves you and yours a wonderful stack of brightly wrapped gift's.
Originally posted by FlySolo
Originally posted by Larry L
reply to post by FlySolo
OMG OP, you have GOT to be kidding me. Are you seriously taking life so seriously that you would consciously deprive a kid of and Santa Clause?
Here's a newsflash OP, because you were obviously the one and only kid in your life that was fooled I guess and actually thought Santa Clause was real beyond the age of 4 or 5 and must've been incredibly disappointed when you finally found out when you were like 14. But really.....every kid even when I was young 20-25 years ago, who had access to FAR less info than kids today, knew Snata Clause wasn't real. We just all go along with the joke because it's fun and a celebration.
It's the same reason people dress up for Halloween or........tailgate before a sporting event, or do various other things we all do......at least normal people. It's just fun tradition.
So again.....OP, just to drive it home for you. The kids already know their parents are Santa Clause, and you said they're what was it?.......6? If that kid doesn't know he or she will in a year or so. But they will still go along with the gag. Why do you think kids tell THEIR PARENTS what they want Santa to get them for ?
Kids are smarter than you give them credit for or smarter than they act. That's why, or a similar reason, why I won't talk to even little babies in "baby talk". I can remember being like 4 and wondering why my aunt is talking to me like I'm an idiot, lol.
Did you really read my post without blinders on? Let me clarify. I never believed in Santa and I already said this in my OP. I was never disappointed so this thread isn't a result of childhood trauma. My god.
My point is Lying about it as if he were actually real. Letting corporations control the story and running with it for consumerism. Using Santa as a means to manipulate kids into proper behavior. And finally, devaluing the trust children have in parents and grooming them to be non questioning consumers.
I have no problem with the story of Santa and his little elves, but I have a big problem convincing children it's true. Why is that so hard for most people to understand?
Let me put it this way. The only reason why everyone goes along with it is because well, everyone goes along with it. Can I come to your house and tell your kids about some made up make believe character that will steal their shoes and eat their food if they don't behave? I think not and I would guess I may even leave your house with a black eye too. But put a few million people behind me and some advertising, I might get away with it.
edit on 23-12-2011 by FlySolo because: (no reason given)
Well first of all, a normal person wouldn't walk into someone's house and do something like that. So what kind of reasoning is what you just said. That's not normal thinking, friend. It doesn't work as an argument.
I hope you're against any other kind of fictional entertainment/studies. You know.....like conspiracy theory websites, politics or religion, or even more mainstream fictional things like comic books and sci-fi. I mean it's all just polluting their little minds with forbidden things like imagination or ambition.
You're backwoods thinking here reminds of the people back in the 70's and 80's saying things like Dungeons and Dragons and rock n roll music were only enjoyed by devil worshipers who are skinning kittens in the woods praising the all mighty satan. It's rediculous.
But regardless, Merry Christmas, Happy Hunukkah (yea, I don't know how to spelli it lol) and a Kwazy Kwanza to all !!! And OP, I hope Santa brings you everything you wanted for Christmas this year even though you're a Scrooge and don't believe in him.
Originally posted by DarknessMatters
The belief in a Santa Clause by children should be encouraged. They're children. Let them stay innocent as long as possible.
This whole "War on Christmas" thing is ridiculous at best.
Originally posted by Jim Scott
When I was a kid, I loved the Santa myth. I believed in Santa. Now that I have long been an adult, looking back I am very glad the adults of my parents' generation perpetuated the myth. I think it really helps children to begin their belief in God. God is necessary for many of us to make it through hard times. We want to believe that there is a greater purpose, a greater control, than our own. When it comes to Christmas, there is absolutely no harm in it.
Watch the movie "The Santa Claus" and try not to be like the psychiatrist....
Also, it's not so much a lie as a myth. Call it a lie and it has negative connotations. Take it like a perpetuated bedtime story and it is more palpable.edit on 12/22/2011 by Jim Scott because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by gimme_some_truth
What harm does it do? None. Who can sit here and honestly say they were harmed by believing in Santa?
Kids have great imagination. It is fun and helps to teach the spirit and goodness of giving.
Let them believe.
No.....I don't let Saint Nick in my house. Because once again he's not real. And kids know he's not real usually at a very young age. I did, and so did every kid I knew. Yet we all still got in the spirit if Christmas and Santa Clause. It's not LYING to your kids. It's getting in the spirit.
And I said backwoods, I didn't mean backwards, though I suppose it should be back-woods and backwards fits fine as well if you prefer. It's primitive thinking either way.
And where does this thinking end were you given your way? I hope you aren't a hypocrite and only think Christian symbols and traditions need to be wiped out. You better be against every other religion and culture also no longer having their rights to hold to their traditions. You better tell Jews no more manoras or star of davids. You better tell Muslims they can no longer pray to mecca or wear kuffis. You better tell geeks they can no longer play WarCraft. You better tell all black people they can no longer dance if they feel like it. You better tell all Asians they now have to learn to drive properly, and tell all "Native" Americans "no more totem poles or peace pipes". At what point are you going to stop telling people what they can do if you were the policy maker?
You can't outlaw Santa Clasue without outlawing everything for everybody, otherwise that's not equality, that's discrimination.