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Originally posted by Masterjaden
reply to post by verschickter
The opposite would then also be true, how could an atheist scientist research potential paranormal (hate that term anything that is possible is normal) phenomena without bias, in fact it's obvious that they do have bias in many cases with the crap explanations they try to use to explain away certain phenomena...
Jaden
Originally posted by secretagentwomyn
reply to post by dilly1
Dude! Stop calling "everyone" idiots. You automatically include yourself and myself in there and I know I am NOT an idiot.
Here's another way you could post your comment (I'm assuming you lack the tact to do so based on 2 previous "IDIOT" posts.)
Hey ya'll I heard a while back the name was Molay check out this link ----> www.rumormillnews.com...
He states " Bradford University lecturer Robert Lomas and colleague Christopher
Knight claim they can link science and history to prove that the face on the
shroud is that of a priest whose followers helped Scotland to win independence
from England in the 14th century.
"The scientific facts leave me in no doubt," says Dr Lomas, a physicist
who now lectures in Information Systems. "The cloth was used to wrap Jacques de
Molay, the leader of a monastic order known as the Knights Templar and whose
followers were given refuge by Robert the Bruce."
Now grow up and approach a discussion with tact so you can get people to actually learn instead of feeling attacked. No one wants to look up something when they've been called an idiot.
Erm does this mean that you can only reply to you if you agree with your views on religion?Therefore where is the debate?Im pretty sure you cannot tell anyone on here not to post in a thread or voice there opinion.We need a mod here methinks
I don't expect any atheist to believe it so this thread isn't for you... For everyone else I'd like to hear what you have to say!
Originally posted by autowrench
reply to post by RevelationGeneration
I take it you are familiar with the name Jacques de Molay?
source
Although historically there is little if any record of exactly how de Molay was tortured, Lomas and Knight have no doubt. Very shortly after his arrest France's Grand Inquisitor Guillaume Imbert put him through a blow-by-blow re- enactment of Jesus's crucifixion. First he was scourged. Then a crown of thorns was thrust on his head. Then nails were hammered into his wrists and feet, pinning him to 'a roughly assembled cross', on which he was hung in agony for several hours. Brought down alive, a knife was then thrust into his side 'not deep enough to cause life-threatening damage but sufficient to complete the deliberate re-enactment of the suffering of the 'son of God'. Finally the Grand Inquisitor apparently thought of 'one more amusing twist' to this scenario. In Knight and Lomas's own words:
He [Guillaume Imbert] has de Molay placed on the very burial shroud that Molay used to mock the Messiah. As the torturers laid him face upwards on the cloth and the excess section is lifted over his head to cover the front of his body, Imbert cannot resist a final quotation from the story of the Passion: 'And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth.' Patting the shroud around the desperately damaged body, Imbert suggests that the barely conscious man might care to raise himself, if he feels as important as the true Christ.
As Knight and Lomas go on: The features of de Molay's body were [then] etched onto the cloth by the lactic acid from the free-flowing blood, reacting with the frankincense used as a whitening agent, which was rich in calcium carbonate. Yes, you have now guessed it, this is really how the Turin Shroud was created. Its image is neither of Jesus, nor of Leonardo da Vinci, but of Jacques de Molay - the Templar Grand Master, who died alongside the Templar Geoffrey de Charney in 1314. According to Knight and Lomas, De Molay' was revived from his crucifixion (necessary because historically he was publicly burnt at the stake with Geoffrey de Charney), and then the image-bearing cloth that he had so involuntarily created: ... travelled ... to the home of Geoffrey de Charney, where it was washed, folded up, and placed in a drawer. Exactly fifty years later, in 1357, this fourteen-foot-long piece of linen was taken out of store and put on public display in Livey [sic] Of course there is not a scrap of hard evidence to support all this, but just in case of such doubts Knight and Lomas provide a pictorial 'clincher'. In their words: The long nose, the hair beyond shoulder-length with a centre parting, the full beard that forked at its base, and the fit-looking six-foot frame all perfectly match the known image of the last Grand Master of the Knights Templar.
Further, Carbon-dating has proved the Shroud is only some 1200 years old, nowhere near 2000 years old.
Turin Shroud link with Templars proved by archives, claims historian
The Templars and the Shroud of Turin
The Nature of the Body Images on the Shroud of Turin (PDF File)
Originally posted by Rafe_
Also very unlikely.The image on the shroud can never be of a persons face wrapped in a shroud since the print from his face would come out completly distorted once it is viewed flat and straight on,
this is the shroud:
www.world-mysteries.com...
If it was indeed a shroud wrapped around someones face it would have produced a image much like this:
i39.tinypic.com...
This alone has invalided the entire lore around the shroud since day one.edit on 24-12-2011 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)
Also very unlikely.The image on the shroud can never be of a persons face wrapped in a shroud since the print from his face would come out completly distorted once it is viewed flat and straight on,
this is the shroud:
www.world-mysteries.com...
If it was indeed a shroud wrapped around someones face it would have produced a image much like this:
i39.tinypic.com...
This alone has invalided the entire lore around the shroud since day one.
edit on 24-12-2011 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by dilly1
You conveniently forget, as his form of death...he was BURNED AT THE STAKE.
Originally posted by dilly1
Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by dilly1
You conveniently forget, as his form of death...he was BURNED AT THE STAKE.
Your kidding me! I had no recollection. Lol
Originally posted by Rafe_
reply to post by dilly1
So you are saying that in the comparison pictures i posted that that is not how a imprint in a shroud of someones face would look like once you unwrap it?
Because that would be a astonishingly ignorant claim.
Just for your information.My 'amateuristic' picture is a facial texture made to fit around the 3d model once it gets wrapped around it without distorting it.
I dont care if you story about the torture is true (wich as it happens has never been proven anywhere).I made the point that a shroud like the turin shroud can never be produced by wrapping cloth around a 3 dimensional body ,wether your story is fake or not.
Imagine wrapping something around your face and being able to see the imprint afterwards.Now imagine unwrapping it,where do the ears and cheek bones and up according to you ?
You really believe you get a image as if you took a picture standing infront of someone? If yes ,go back to elementary school.
Good job on missing the point entirely.
edit on 24-12-2011 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Malcher
reply to post by Rafe_
Originally posted by Rafe_
Also very unlikely.The image on the shroud can never be of a persons face wrapped in a shroud since the print from his face would come out completly distorted once it is viewed flat and straight on,
this is the shroud:
www.world-mysteries.com...
If it was indeed a shroud wrapped around someones face it would have produced a image much like this:
i39.tinypic.com...
This alone has invalided the entire lore around the shroud since day one.
edit on 24-12-2011 by Rafe_ because: (no reason given)
The second image is a wrap around a spherical object. It would look somewhat similar to that if the body was wrapped like a mummy but not if the sheet was pulled over like a blanket or sheet.
Originally posted by dilly1
What comparisons? All you have is biased studies(if that). What pictures, there was like 3. And one was a 3D cartoon.
Do you really think the Hiram Key is the only source of the templar's and De Molay's torture? Please try reading books ,stop with the internet. Read As many books as you can . You will learn . I promise.
Who said the shroud was wrapped? For starters There could have been easily more then one cloth. Try Doing some research . One can truly understand how life was in those times. Drop the hollywood mentality.
Yes your are right I am the one that is ignorant.
Originally posted by Rafe_
Originally posted by dilly1
What comparisons? All you have is biased studies(if that). What pictures, there was like 3. And one was a 3D cartoon.
Do you really think the Hiram Key is the only source of the templar's and De Molay's torture? Please try reading books ,stop with the internet. Read As many books as you can . You will learn . I promise.
Who said the shroud was wrapped? For starters There could have been easily more then one cloth. Try Doing some research . One can truly understand how life was in those times. Drop the hollywood mentality.
Yes your are right I am the one that is ignorant.
I am sorry but i have to say it,The lack of intelligence you manage to portrait is astonishing if nothing but comical.