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Was Kim Jong IL really a dictator?

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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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Watch some of the documentary videos where people have snuck cameras in and documented life in NK. It is really, legitimately bad there, he was at terrible leader and has starved and imprisoned his civilians. Not a good place to be.




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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How can you get an accurate representation of the country when the entire time you are taken to state sanctioned areas and are escorted by a tour guide, a security guard, and a member of the secret police. You are not free to roam around the country, and in fact you can't even leave the hotel without your handlers. The places you go to are carefully selected and the people that work at those places have been trained to specifically in dealing with tourists. Most of the time you won't even see another North Korean outside of these stops.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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What an insane thread.

Learn something about communism.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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If I said... ' Oh, come da freak on!' would you feel insulted or offended?

I certainly would not mean it that way.

But just how in the heck does one dodge reality so utterly and completely to even suspect that Kim was not immediately welcomed into hell... wherever or whatever it may be?

Mods - I can't write this any nicer. If you feel the need to pull this, please let me know so I can reword it to say what I really think.

Thanks



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:30 PM
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If you ever want to dodge reality, listening to what the MSM is reporting is a good way to do it. Sure, Kim Jong may have been evil, but check your sources before you are positive.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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This is one of those rare instances when the rumors and MSM coverage is pretty on the money. Listen to interviews with people that have escaped. It's pretty horrible. I watched a video of two people that had escaped and the torture they went through in the work camps (where most people spend their lives or just die well before their time). They showed the scars, they were held over heat and burned, all kinds of crazy stuff. You can look at them and they have that empty look of someone that has been through a horrible ordeal.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:41 PM
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In a world run by monsters, why fear a clown?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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Ask all the millions of dead N Koreans



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:53 PM
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You are a complete knucklehead for even asking this. Do your research before asking a question that has an obvious answer. You are right to not trust the media...but come on, the guy killed thousands+ that did not tow the line.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Just found out that Vice did a follow-up to their documentary on North Korea. This one shows how North Korea is exporting their people to work in labor camps. It's even more eye-opening than the original. I don't know how anyone can argue that Kim Jong-il wasn't a dictator after seeing this. *Warning: Harsh Language*








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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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Ask the people that escape the north Korean border every year.......



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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This thread serves no purpose whatsoever and
should be killed.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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Kim Jong who? Oh the guy that died last week. Why should I care what kind of person he was. Because Im more worried about the ones in office here.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Good point...you can't. Freakin morons that know nothing yet espouse comments questioning dictatorship.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by IshmaelKipling
All the media says he was a terrible dictator. But I know enough to realize that the media is controlled by the New World Order and everything they say are lies.

So what was the truth about him?


What a clever way to show your degree of education and mental set.
Just superb!



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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After the whole Libya-Gaddafi saga..I'm probably a bit more wary of whether KJI was really this nasty & evil dictator.

Interesting too that as a dictator he died a natural death, rather than going out in some similar fashion as Hussein or Gaddafi.

IMO media propaganda definitely altered perceived perceptions of KJI & NK..& things weren't as bad as they seemed to constantly make out.

However, that doesn't mean the regime during his time, & the state of NK is all rainbows & sunshine..

Let's just hope his son doesn't follow in his dad's footsteps, & can help increase the standard of living in NK.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:15 PM
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Well do you wonder why they have one phone network for nationals and one for foreigners so that they can not communicate? And why the internet is seen as so bad over there? Also any foreign media have to wear a sign around their necks stating that they are foreign media and those are a very select few who are allowed in and heavily monitored. What are they so afraid of? Yes the media could skew things but this paranoia is for a greater reason than this. There is a lot they don't want us to see. just the lies that he has told his own people and the fanatical indoctrination alone are proof enough and many of these stories come from those who have managed to escape the country.

The answer is yes the media does lie and skew things, but with a little research the truth can often be found. In this day and age its easy to find things from all perspectives and listening to the regimes supporters is a good place to start.




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