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2 Women Share 1st Kiss at US Navy Ship's Return

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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:23 AM
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Originally posted by Dbriefed
I've been involved with kicking a few gays out of the military but for multiple reasons, breaking one prohibited boundary makes it easier to break others and the group I knew had little resistance to the boundaries of drugs and leaking secrets.

Having served in the Army I'm still strongly against gays in the military. I would not be comfortable in situations where attractions can distract from the mission. Consider a scene where you are showering with your girlfriend and a few dozen men, the attraction you have to your girlfriend is a 'distraction', as is the thought that there may be any possible attraction between the girlfriend and the dozen men.

I hate to bring up morals in this day and age, but what are values of trust based on but shared moral values? There has to be some structure of common morals that come from some platform of beliefs, and behavior is a part of that. If your soldier peers don't share common morals, it's very difficult to establish real trust.


Pardon me if I seem skeptical, but I've never seen any legitimate study that substantiated your claim that gay and/or lesbian service members were greater security risks. Do you have anything to back that claim?

As far as you not feeling comfortable about it, I'd suggest learning to adapt to the currently sanctioned environment. If you're being distracted from your mission by the personal lives of your fellow soldiers, I'd surmise that you've become a liability to the morale, safety and security of your unit. It's about unwavering military discipline and self control.

Though you may object to how they live based on your personal moral opinions, there are many who feel that we should respect our fellow soldiers. It's the military. Personal opinions don't matter. Leran to adapt, or resign your commission/don't reenlist.




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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That's gay.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:54 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
Something told me the membership here wouldn't be mature enough to handle this topic.

Quit listening to those voices in your head.
You waited exactly 11 minutes to post the complaint about the thread not having 'interest'.
And the time on your post was at 1:00 AM.

Geeeesh ...



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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The reason you gave for not wanting gays in the army is a little strange.
What is the objective of having a shower? To get clean. Hating or fancying the person beside me won't or shouldn't distract me from getting clean. Or do all soldiers need to be assessed on how they feel about each other, so not to cause a possible distraction later on in a mission?

The army rightly so should continue to allow gay people to openly serve their Country.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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Homosexual people have served in the military to defend this country even before it was officially the United States. They have fought and died and shed blood for our freedoms just like heterosexual people have. The fact that they can now say that they are homosexuals outloud is long overdue.

The US military has rules that there is to be no public displays of affection. That goes for everyone. So if homophobes are afraid that they'll see two guys kissing on a battlefield or two girls locking it up on a sub .. that simply isn't going to happen. Well .. I suppose it COULD ... but it's against the rules.

I'm a veteran of the US Army. Was in for five years. I never saw any public displays of affection .. not even hand holding .. by anyone in uniform on a military base.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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Or, perhaps, a great many of us don't think it's much of an issue?

The repeal of DADT was years over due. What matters one's sexual identity when you serve your country?

Two guys. Two gals. A man and woman. Welcome home to them all.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Whether or not homosexuality in the military being right or wrong isn't the issue here.

I saw this photo yesterday and it seemed staged to me. Their pose is similar to the one of the Navy man kissing the nurse. I'll always have a problem when the media stages anything.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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I guess giving meth to pilots and soldiers isn't enough, This is probably THE REAL REASON why The US army now allows sames sex pairings


(NaturalNews) A new study in the journal Science suggests that the same hormone that underlies love also helps create the sense of solidarity that soldiers experience when they feel united with each other against the enemy.

"Our study shows that oxytocin not only plays a role in modulating cooperation and benevolence, but also in driving aggression," said researcher Carsten De Dreu of the University of Amsterdam "

www.naturalnews.com...

since when does the army ever do anything NICE for anyone?

Does any one remember GWBs lil buddy, the one he was photoed so many times kissing on the head Jeff Gannon / Guckert?, the guy who was found to be running around the whitehouse at all hours, while running a gay military escort service?
edit on 22-12-2011 by Danbones because: added a couple points



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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As long as the US has "freedom" in their motto, arguing against gays is incredibly anti-patriotic.

Of course, if you argue against it, you are essentially no better than the Saudi government and you really want a theocracy instead of a democracy or republic.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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"never saw any.....?"
I guess you weren't looking
the commander and chief
(photos scroll down a bit)

"Why is Bush so hostile to the idea of gay marriage? Perhaps because until 1987, George W. Bush was gay. According to a group of 29 Yale classmates who comprise Gay Ivy Leaguers for Truth, Bush was "known to be at least sexually experimental throughout his time in college." One of Bush's alleged former boyfriends, Anthony Berusca (class of '70), told The Dallas Morning News that Bush was "deeply conflicted about being gay, even somewhat self-hating." Berusca is convinced that this conflict led to Bush's drinking problems, but describes the President as a "gentle, caring lover". In 1986, the Bush family arranged for George to join Worthy Creations, a church group in El Paso that focuses on converting homosexuals through faith. A year later, Bush claimed to be straight, born again, and engaged to Laura Welch (Kitty Kelly in THE FAMILY wrote that Bush's twin daughters were not his offspring, but from a donor at a fertility clinic). Bush at all-male Phillips Academy in Andover, Massachusetts was "head" cheerleader. Drama club and cheerleading are where the gay boys hang out. George earned the nickname Lips Bush for his skill at giving blow jobs to his fraternity buddies, according to Kitty Kelley. Bush has gay-style excrement nick names for the people he hangs out with: "Turdblossom" term for Karl Rove Note the classic juxtaposition of the obscene with the feminine to come up with a nickname for a gay man. For example, the late David Lewis went under the name Sally Suckemsilly. "Bulldog" term for both Victor Ashe and Jeff Gannon aka Jim Gluckert "Pooty Poot" term for Vladimir Putin, Russian President. "Mr. Big O" term for lispy treasury secretary Paul O'Neill."
—Roedy Green, The Wit and Wisdom of George Bush

"And there is George Bush's purported gay lover, Victor Ashe. They were roomies back at Yale. Victor Ashe, from Tennessee. You won't be able to talk to Mr. Ashe, though - because you see, when word got out that he was Bush's gay lover, back in college, he got a new job. He was mayor of Knoxville, Tennessee. And Bush made homosexual Victor Ashe ambassador to a foreign country. Now isn't that just peachy?"
-Professor Texe Marrs PhD, Captain USAF Intelligence, Power of Prophesy Radio, TexeMarrs.com, "White House Bordello", November 12/13, 2006 -- audio download -- TexeMarrs.com links to PirateNews.org

piratenews.org...

the CnC no less, whose grandfather apparently was busted funding Nazis
the Nazi army dress-up is the most famous gay SandM themem there is....

BTW star and flag OP, its a delicate subject
edit on 22-12-2011 by Danbones because: Quote box



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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Im all for equality

here is a nice scientific type article


Oxytocin has been described as the hormone of love.....

In another set of experiments the Dutch students were given standard moral dilemmas in which a choice must be made about whether to help a person onto an overloaded lifeboat, thereby drowning the five already there, or saving five people in the path of a train by throwing a bystander onto the tracks.

In Dr. De Dreu’s experiments, the five people who might be saved were nameless, but the sacrificial victim had either a Dutch or a Muslim name. Subjects who had taken oxytocin were far more likely to sacrifice the Muhammads than the Maartens.

www.nytimes.com...



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:23 AM
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I think it's great and a beautiful picture. I think it's important to see LGBT in different lights especially outside of activist light because mainstream seems to have such disdain for activism. Thanks for sharing



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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To all the positive replies.

It gives me hope that not all humans are closed minded.

1) The soul has no gender, simply the body - the vehicle the soul is trapped within.
2) Sometimes love just happens, and you can't help it's with someone of the same gender.
3) As long as it is two consenting adults and they conduct themselves (like heterosexual couples should) in a respectful manner that is not obscene in public.

Wow, a lot of very mature and nice comments, I was pleasantly surprised.

To everyone reading on this thread:




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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OMG! Thems gaymo-sexshumals outta be beaten!

Seriously?

It's nice to see so little attention this has garnered. Sexual preference belongs in a private setting. Like when I listen to Duran Duran.
It's nobodies darned business.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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Also, years back - My best girlfriend who died in her early 20's of ovarian cancer had come back from a trip in Europe. I had not seen her for 4 months, nor back than could we talk much (no internet or text messaging), a few letters, a few post cards.

Usually we talked everyday as we lived only a few miles apart. My very best friend for 12 years.

Now, I am very most absolutely heterosexual.............I love men (my husband the most)


But when I saw J at the train station, we ran and hugged each other and I kissed her on the cheek........a old woman walked past saying "hmmp the shame" with great dissaproval.

Now, J being a wild and free spirit grabbed my head with her hands and gave me a kiss on the lips to really freak the old buzzard out, not a long kiss but a closed mouth one second kiss.

My dear sweet friend................other than my husband and dog, I could tell her anything and knew it would go no further. Such a sweet, wild, wonderful spirit, who passed away so quickly.

What we need more of in this world are kisses and hugs..........not sexual ones which everyone seems to equate hugs and kisses with sex and foreplay but genuine displays of affection.

If we had more hugs and kisses vs. violence this planet would be a lot nicer place to live.

I send a big hug to everyone on this thread with well wishes for happy holidays and a wonderful and bright New Year.




edit on 22-12-2011 by ofhumandescent because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 02:26 PM
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Originally posted by Danbones
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"never saw any.....?"
I guess you weren't looking

WRONG. I never saw any public displays of affection of people in uniform ... be it between heterosexuals or homosexuals ... because it was FORBIDDEN by the Code of Conduct. Even married service members were not allowed to hold hands or 'peck on the cheek' while in uniform.

I was in the Army five years. I saw NO ONE break those rules.
What they did in private was another matter of course.
But while in uniform .. no public displays of affection.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 02:30 PM
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For some strange reason the fact that project lives with 2 women lesbian or not is more interesting than the other women kissing.

Sorry



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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I'm more than a bit amused at the concept behind this photo. We're to believe that the first public display of affection between two homosexual Naval personel following the repeal of DADT just by happenchance involved two attractive lesbians and occurred in a place where the media cameras were perfectly positioned to capture it on film? I'm not buying it. Women are only about 10% of the total US Navy, so from that alone this event only has a 10% shot at being between two women. I have no idea what percentage of those women are attractive, nor do I know exactly how one would go about applying a metric to that. I also have no idea what the percentage of homosexual to heterosexual is for the Navy, that would also seem to play a strong role in determining the odds here.

I see this and think "OK, the feds arrainged this to ensure that the first public display is less controversial and more likely to paint the detractors with a brush of hypocrisy down the road when they complain about male soldiers displaying the same in public."



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:43 PM
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As a lesbian veteran I am SOOOOOO happy to see this! I was just going in to the Army when DADT was being enacted and I was investigated for my sexual preference three times total during my three year tour of duty.

1. During basic training after my name was found in a diary that had been confiscated during a locker search. My name was mentioned with the term lesbian so I, along with several other female soldiers, was pulled from my M16 assembly/dis-assembly class to be interrogated. When I say interrogated, that's exactly what I mean..... Made it through that one.

2. At my active duty unit I was investigated based on a "rumor" that my new company commander had heard. Made it through this because my friends kept their mouths shut.

3. I had a senior ranking soldier threaten (while he was on guard duty at our barracks) to rape me. I pulled a knife on him to defend myself and told him I'd cut "it" off. I filed a formal complaint as he was married, on duty and was trying to use his rank to get what he wanted; I was investigated and he received a promotion.

So with that said, I am very glad to see that these ladies were able to share in a public kiss





posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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Originally posted by Ex_CT2

Originally posted by projectvxn
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I guess this thread would have garnered more responses worth a damn if it had been two men kissing then...

Something told me the membership here wouldn't be mature enough to handle this topic.

I think you're right. There's something about two gay men showing public affection that really threatens homophobic males--and I think it's more than just the thought of having served in the military next to secretly gay men... if you get my drift.

While it may threaten homophobic males...straight guys go yuck seeing two guys kiss. They see two women kiss...well, that's a different story. The problem arises when folks cannot reconcile their hard wired response and their sense of humanity...in my humble straight opinion.



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