Putting an END to the 'Ron Paul is racist' claims right here and now. Who will challenge me?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by undo

 

What are you wanting me to defend? Obama got dragged over the coals and so will all other presidential candidates. I fail to see how my statement about Reverend Wright (someone who did NOT run for president) in any way contradicts my belief that all candidates should be ready to be dragged over the coals...

nah it's your position on dragging ron paul over the coals, et.al, that he is a racist because he was in some way associated with a racist. then you've defended not only obama's association with a racist but your own association with family members and friends that you said you'd be embarrassed to be associated with because of their behavior on this topic. so clearly, if you're not a democrat, you're a marxist or something, and never told us why you were so hip on obama in the first place, i.e., he's not really a democrat but a marxist in disguise, perhaps? doesn't matter in the long run, just wanted to prove that people's filtration system gets mighty weird when what they are defending is a position they agree with in the first place, but have like zero tolerance for everyone else.

And Benevolent Heretic quote #2 is,

I also agree with that. It seems to me that on one side of the "divide" we have a group of people who are resistant to change, progression, progressive political views and anything inclusive of everyone. They want to keep things as they are and even go back in time to a time when we didn't talk so openly about certain subjects. The time when abortion, homosexuality, atheism and interracial couples weren't really accepted as a social norm. I really see the two sides of the division as progressives and traditionalists. Obama is progressive with his views on homosexuality, abortion, religion and inclusion. The traditionalists feel threatened, as if they are losing their country. The progressives are excited, looking forward to a future of solar power and tolerance. And any time people feel threatened, they're willing to fight. They're willing to stop the progress. And that can be dangerous.

is there a progressive party ? is that what it's called?
it's quite tolerant to sexually harrass a straight man and record his reaction then put it on youtube and post it everywhere as evidence that he's anti - gay, when the fact is, he's just a heterosexual put in a bad situation. .

26 pages so far, on such a none issue. Lets be clear before any more space is wasted, RON PAUL WILL NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. With that being said, all the rest of this discussion is a waste of bandwidth. Is Ron Paul rasist, who cares but he is sloppy. He let out under his own signature, either by willful ignorance or acquiescence statements that have no place is public discourse. If and a BIG if he were to be Pres, would he be as inattentive with his administration? Flame on

Originally posted by PresumedInnocent
26 pages so far, on such a none issue. Lets be clear before any more space is wasted, RON PAUL WILL NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. With that being said, all the rest of this discussion is a waste of bandwidth. Is Ron Paul rasist, who cares but he is sloppy. He let out under his own signature, either by willful ignorance or acquiescence statements that have no place is public discourse. If and a BIG if he were to be Pres, would he be as inattentive with his administration. Flame on

yes because he can see china from his backyard. just so you know, the libertarian scene of 20 years ago, contained almost every group that was against the 2-party system, other than communists. and they all had a voice, because that's something they are granted under the constitution...err bill of rights.

i have my own conspiracy theory on this whole thing, but i'm watching the events carefully, before i say anything about it.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
You and others who think like you seem hard pressed to deny that Paul ever took responsibility and apologized and repudiated racist beliefs.

Ron Paul apologized for his racist beliefs??? WHERE???

He apologized for whatever was in the newsletters and repudiated any racist beliefs.

Don't twist my words!

everyone of the republicans have some serious issues to contend with. and whomever takes the nomination for the republican candidate will have many bad skeletons already removed from theri closets leavign room for total udnerstanding of who this candidate is, unlike the cirrent president which no one knwos dittle about him. we thinkw e knwo but we really dont know much. SO then we will decide from what we already know this president has done for america, which will tell us what he would do in the next 4 years OR we take the republican candidate knowing his ideas and past. so if it i sRomney adn Obama, we know Romney has no clue to the average americans life, we know he is a super multi millionaire and wont disclose his tax forms. Gingretch we know he was empeached from house speaker, we know he likes to play around with woman, we know he likes to take money from the lobbyist the elites to move a agenda of theri interest through the laws, We know he wants to end child labor laws and fire all the parents who work janitorial for the school districts in poor communities adn hire theri children for a fraction of the cost. we know Bachmann sufers from migraines me beign a severe migraine suffer I know she is a severe migraine suffer because, when seh said I only have to be in dark and silence a day or two that is one of the mahy signs of a eprson who has real mad migraines that hapen more then a few times a year, they disable you when your down you can not think about naything because it hurts. You cant hear people talkign it hurts, cant see any light it hurts, cant move it hurts..Paul, in the past made racist statements often in a local newspaper. dont believe in medicare medical Food stamps, but does believe in less government, only war it out if it is the last resort. Perry, do i really need to discribe Perry. santorium or huntsmen and they havent been the flavor of the moment yet so we dont really know anything about them.

Originally posted by undo
nah it's your position on dragging ron paul over the coals, et.al, that he is a racist because he was in some way associated with a racist.

Oh! That position! The one I have NEVER stated. And one that I do NOT believe.
So, yeah, prove it. Prove that I said Ron Paul is racist because he was associated with a racist... This will be good.

if you're not a democrat, you're a marxist or something

Paul, in the past made racist statements often in a local newspaper

reply to post by lbndhr


evidence please.
i'm willing to read it and deal with it honestly.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
He apologized for whatever was in the newsletters and repudiated any racist beliefs.

I didn't mean to twist your words. That's what I thought you were saying. Can you link to his apology? I haven't seen it. Thanks.

observe

Did ANYONE take responsibility for these writings published by Ron Paul?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


now why would you be calling for him to take responsibility
for racist comments that he didn't make, if you weren't calling him a racist in the first place?

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by Freenrgy2
He apologized for whatever was in the newsletters and repudiated any racist beliefs.

I didn't mean to twist your words. That's what I thought you were saying. Can you link to his apology? I haven't seen it. Thanks.

Come on BH, you've been on this site long enough to know how to search.

In fact, it's in this very thread several times.

Originally posted by undo
observe

Did ANYONE take responsibility for these writings published by Ron Paul?

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

now why would you be calling for him to take responsibility
for racist comments that he didn't make, if you weren't calling him a racist in the first place?

You need to learn to read. I asked if ANYONE took responsibility for them. I did not call for Paul to take responsibility. Try again. I KNOW I have not stated that I think Ron Paul is racist because I don't have an opinion on that. I have been considering voting for him (I can provide posts if you want) but I'm still undecided. So take your assumptions and start over because you're all wrong about this one.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

They already got some 'dirt' on rp.

Video surfaces of Ron Paul talking about racist newsletters in 1995, far earlier than he said he knew about them

reply to post by Freenrgy2


I did search. Every page. The string "apolog" showed up several times, but not in a quote from Paul. Always claiming he has apologized... If you don't want to help me out, that's fine. But I have searched here and on the Internet and have found no apology from Paul.

reply to post by eLPresidente


Give me a second here to regain my voice. I sort of choked on that Strawman you hoisted up here. (to be fair it may also be a Hasty Generalization)

Based on you post and the pictures you posted up, I assume that if you pose with a differnt ethnic group and/or race that will get you a free pass on the race thing?

If I can dig up a picture of David Duke with a person of color does that make him a "Non" racist? What about say a picture of Hitler with a Jew? OH! Im sure he was okay..... The bottom line is that public speaking and a some pictures are simply not enough to prove your point in any way shape or form.

On the other hand

Some choice quotes:

"Given the inefficiencies of what DC laughingly calls the criminal justice system, I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal."

"We are constantly told that it is evil to be afraid of black men, it is hardly irrational."

After the Los Angeles riots, one article in a newsletter claimed, "Order was only restored in L.A. when it came time for the blacks to pick up their welfare checks."

One referred to Martin Luther King Jr. as "the world-class philanderer who beat up his paramours" and who "seduced underage girls and boys."

Another referred to Barbara Jordan, a civil rights activist and congresswoman as "Barbara Morondon," the "archetypical half-educated victimologist." www.theatlantic.com...

Are some pretty interesting statements, and I'm sure a picture of an elderly Black lady in a wheelchair makes them all right but.......

as the Atlantic article stated Ron Paul took responsability for them in 1996 and said they were taken out of context. In what "CONTEXT" would they have been okay? The CNN interview would have been the perfect forum to deal with this once and for all. But we instead got the storm off. Nothing like dodging an issue AND pandering to your base at the same time.


Is Ron Paul a racist? Not sure at this point. Are the accusations true? Not sure at this point, and to be honest I'm not really interested beyond the seeming ability of Ron Paul supporters to not only ignore the obvious contradictions, but also mount a coordinated ad hominum attack on anybody that dares point them out. It was that way in the last election cycle and it seems nothing has changed.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Page 22 of this thread. CNN interview.

How could you miss it unless you wanted to miss it.

reply to post by Jazzyguy


uh, he doesn't mention anything about newsletters in that entire video. what's up with this?
unless i missed it, he's just saying why he felt running for political office, for him, wasn't about the glamor
or the money. did you watch it?

It's over for him, it's gonna go viral.

Ron Paul Touts Newsletters In 1987 Interview (VIDEO)

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic

 

They already got some 'dirt' on rp.

Video surfaces of Ron Paul talking about racist newsletters in 1995, far earlier than he said he knew about them

Oh come on, he admitted in his 2008 CNN interview that he knew about the newsletters back then. What he also indicated is that others contributed to these and there was a transition going on back then. He honestly doesn't know who wrote these, he didn't read many of them due to his travel and medical practice.

You guys are no better than the media in that you are taking bits and pieces out of these interviews and twisting them to fit your hatred of him, based solely on a lie.

Obama can hang around racists and socialists and claim he was not influenced by them, although some of his actions as President (imo) are questionable and everything is okie dokie.

But, Ron Paul can acknowledge these newsletter, give an explanation for what was going on at the time, repudiate these remarks and, more importantly, has never been caught uttering anything slightly racist but you won't believe him.

Originally posted by Jazzyguy
It's over for him, it's gonna go viral.

BIG FREAKIN DEAL. HE PUT OUT AN INVESTMENT NEWSLETTER SO THAT MAKES HIM RACIST?

How do you know that this is even the same newsletter. There were several types.