Putting an END to the 'Ron Paul is racist' claims right here and now. Who will challenge me?

reply to post by LibertyCrazy


Page 17 at the top I posted some of the articles he wrote.
Atleast its the best I could find.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is more here not sure how many are the same?

www.tnr.com...

Originally posted by LogiosHermes27

Originally posted by Wookiep
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In addition, to think, I was going to vote for him...

Oh please, don't LIE. You have been crying about his foreign policy since you got here. How is it that you think people would forget such things?? Aside from all the racist rhetoric etc about Paul, lies like this from people like you is proof you're just on here to troll. You've been called out before about this, I have no idea why you haven't been banned yet.

Every 4 years a president is giving a 30-page letter that they must study to win publics votes. Every 4 years a president is giving an agenda of what to say, and what not to say to please the voters minds, hoping to get a vote.

No president in the history of life has ever pleased the pheasants that knock at the castles door with pitch forks in hand demanding just the basic needs. No republican…No Democrat… and no independent.

They understand that it’s the 1% they care about, but it’s the 99% that they have to trick to get into office, with its magical ,exotic mind games that they play with the 99%, out that 99% they understand that 75% of the 99% have an IQ no greater than .04

So tell me how the magic show turns out before 2012...and why are you so angry, are you ok, pm if you need a shoulder to cry on…its not that serious!

edit on 22-12-2011 by LogiosHermes27 because: (no reason given)

No president in the history of life has ever pleased the pheasants...

Hmmm! This phrase certainly captured my attention since a one-day member at Daily Paul today used the same term, when he/she actually meant peasants. His/her minor spelling errors and writing style are similar to yours.
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I suppose the above is off-topic, and of course, LogiosHermes27 may not be that same person. I guess I just don't understand those who on one board act like supporters and on another board or sometimes the same board, smear the same person they previously supported. Why do I care? Because our country is headed off a cliff, and I believe Ron Paul is the only candidate who can BEGIN to turn this ship of state around. If I truly thought Ron Paul were a racist, he would NOT be getting my vote. He is not a racist; he's a kind, caring individual who truly loves this country and cares about its people..all its people, no matter the color of skin, no matter their religion or lack thereof, no matter their sexual preference. He's a statesman. He is a strict Constitutionalist and would not attempt to push his views onto other people. He has my vote...and those trying to take him down have my contempt.
Fantastic thread, elPresidente.. I finally managed to read it all the way through!

I know I heard multiple people say that they want to hear Ron Paul in his own words on the subject and how he dodged the question.

But as many of us know he has answered this many, many times over. But for those of you who wish to hear the same set up from his run in the 80's. He sat and gave a full interview to Wolf Blitzer and fully explained his stand.

"Ron Paul responds to charges of racism regarding some of his old newsletters on Wolf Blitzer, CNN, Jan. 10, 2008"





So I propose, why if Wolf Blitzer and CNN had a full special on this in 1980 with a full answer, why would they do it all over again. I've never seen any CNN clips where they share their previous knowledge on the subject. Some of you were not even born then.

This should also shine some light on why Ron Paul walked out of the interview. It is a blatant propaganda attack on his character.

P.S. Listen to what wolf says at the end of the interview. It is very clear and precise. So why bring this to light again if CNN is being so honorable.

What say you?

Deny Ignorance.

Aesop

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by LibertyCrazy

 

Page 17 at the top I posted some of the articles he wrote.
Atleast its the best I could find.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is more here not sure how many are the same?

www.tnr.com...

edit on 22-12-2011 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)

Who wrote?

You said he wrote?

Misleading aren't we tonight.

Aesop

Originally posted by LibertyCrazy
Hey, I am a HUGE Ron Paul supporter and am very concerned and curious about these allegations. Can anyone provide a link to the actual unabridged material that is generating these claims? All I can seem to find is edited clips and editorial commentary with vague references.

We all need to review this body of evidence, in it's actual form, and draw our own conclusions.

If you are a HUGE Ron Paul supporter, then you ought to know enough about the good doctor to know that these allegations aren't true.

The media will spin whatever it wants on someone. Lies or not.

The age of TV/Internet media can sure ruin a persons reputation.

I don't think he's racist. It's clear he's an open minded man. What bothers me is his basic ideology that government in and of itself, is a bad thing. I believe government is broken and needs to be fixed. No one is perfect and his flaws will soon appear. But he interests me.

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Couldn't have said it better myself.






The anti-Pauls are buying into the smear campaign only because they have their own agenda against Ron Paul, it has nothing to do with racism, which is the saddest part to me...

The only people who bother coming in this thread to call him a racist have always bothered to hit him from every other angle, so we must ask ourselves, is it really about race? or just merely using the race card to attack Ron?

The people that support Ron Paul are smart enough to see through the propaganda and understand the real issues facing America.

Found it in page 17 as directed. Thanks

This stuff is inflammatory ignorant shrill. While Ron Paul may not have written or even read a bulk of this stuff, if the publication goes out under his name then he surely has influence on setting the tone....and the tone is not only stupid, it quite frankly sucks.

He will need to continue to answer for this misjudgment. But because we desperately need to continue the conversation that Ron Paul has started and because I don't believe this man is racist and because this crap was published 20 years ago and much of it is based in libertarian drama for effect, I will continue to support his campaign.

But as Ron Paul would surely agree, the conversation is bigger than one man. I just wish our standard bearer would have been more responsible with how his name was being used.

So, I have a couple of questions on this.

First, let me say, that I like Ron Paul from what I have heard him say personally over the last 15 or so years that I started listening to him. So, I don't have any reason to go after him, but I do have a few questions...

1) Do the people that are defending him so vociferously not think that the comments in the newsletter are racist or is it solely based on the belief that he didn't say or think those things? That is to say, that if it could be definitively proved that he did in fact say or think those things would it change your view of him?

2) From what I have seen, the articles seem to be written from his point of view. That is to say, they don't quote him, but rather say things like " when I lived in" or "what I think" or something to that effect.

3) If someone had ghosted something like this, and wrote it in such a way, and used my name, that it seemed to the reader that I was personally saying something that I did not say or think, I would string the person up pretty fast. I would give anyone who asked their name and tell him how I fired their sorry ass the second I found out about it.

4) There seems to be some compelling evidence that his story regarding his knowledge of it has, in fact, changed. As mentioned in point 3, I know for me my story would have always been the same.

Now, even if I didn't agree with what they wrote, but I didn't really do anything about it, I don't think I would be as quick to remember who was responsible since they would say, "oh yea he knew and never said anything" or worse say that he did approve it.

Paul just needs more swag in how he handles these questions that are designed to annoy him. He needs a better scripted response since it's just going to keep repeating itself from now until the day he is elected our president.

Originally posted by lellomackin
So, I have a couple of questions on this.

First, let me say, that I like Ron Paul from what I have heard him say personally over the last 15 or so years that I started listening to him. So, I don't have any reason to go after him, but I do have a few questions...

1) Do the people that are defending him so vociferously not think that the comments in the newsletter are racist or is it solely based on the belief that he didn't say or think those things? That is to say, that if it could be definitively proved that he did in fact say or think those things would it change your view of him?

No, I do not find them racist. Ignorant, perhaps. However, many of those statements have a factual element to them. I guess if they are ascribed to a white man potentially saying it, then they are racist.

2) From what I have seen, the articles seem to be written from his point of view. That is to say, they don't quote him, but rather say things like " when I lived in" or "what I think" or something to that effect.

A ghost writer can write from that point of view as well.

3) If someone had ghosted something like this, and wrote it in such a way, and used my name, that it seemed to the reader that I was personally saying something that I did not say or think, I would string the person up pretty fast. I would give anyone who asked their name and tell him how I fired their sorry ass the second I found out about it.

But he did disavow himself from it. And if HE doesn't know who wrote it, how can he fire them?

4) There seems to be some compelling evidence that his story regarding his knowledge of it has, in fact, changed. As mentioned in point 3, I know for me my story would have always been the same.

That could be true. Look, if you were running for POTUS and stuff like this wasn't dealt with as it should have been in the past and now the spotlight is on you, your reaction to it might be different. Poor handling, poor foresight, whatever you want to call it in that regards, I'll grant you that. But, that doesn't make him a racist.

Now, even if I didn't agree with what they wrote, but I didn't really do anything about it, I don't think I would be as quick to remember who was responsible since they would say, "oh yea he knew and never said anything" or worse say that he did approve it.

Depends on when he knew. But knowing and not doing something about it immediately does not make one racist. Again, poor judgement, poor handlers, but not a racist.

Look, there was an article not too long ago that said if Paul looked like he was gaining ground in Iowa, then essentially the hounds of hell would be unleashed on him and, honestly, this is all anyone has against him. My guess is those individuals in this thread and other threads who vehemently state he is a racist without examining even one ounce of evidence that he is not, have me firmly believing that they are part of this organized movement to make him out to be a racist at any cost.

Someone mentioned it earlier. If you tell a lie enough times, people will believe it to be true. And I think you are seeing this in this thread. The same things over and over and over are being repeated, despite evidence to the contrary. And when one posts evidence that he repudiated himself from such remarks, they then demand to see the evidence. And, no, you can't dare suggest that they search the thread or the website, that isn't good enough. Apparently, you must respond directly and immediately to their post or that is just another indication that you have no proof.

It wouldn't matter to these people. They've made up their mind and that is how this movement is going about their business. I firmly believe that these folks were told to infiltrate websites like this and troll this information over and over again, despite any evidence to the contrary. Personally, I think if this is indeed the case, then all of these members should be mass banned.

They don't debate, they just hate. And, quite frankly, the rhetoric and tone they use have me inclined to believe that if they are pointing the finger of racism at someone, they might want to look down as they have three fingers pointing right back at themselves.

From my short time on this planet I've been taught that if a white person says anything negative about a black person, they they are racist. If a black person wants to call me a cracker or any other derogatory term, then that's perfectly acceptable according to society. It's too easy to call someone a racist nowadays and it's a hard label to shake, even if proven false. But, I doubt Ron is losing sleep over this. It really is a shame that too many are small minded to accept an apology from a white man for statements they did not make, but they can accept a black man blowing off connections to socialists and racists simply because they're black.

I'm black and I'm voting for Ron Paul.

Originally posted by jganer
I'm black and I'm voting for Ron Paul.

Good for you.

And thanks!

Originally posted by jganer
I'm black and I'm voting for Ron Paul.

Not only are you black and voting for Ron Paul. You are my fellow American voting for Freedom for us all.

Thank You...

Des

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Prove he won't release the names?
Well either you can find the names because Paul released them or you cannot. Can you?

No, in case you missed the part I bolded to make it extra clear for confused people; I want proof that Ron Paul himself claims that he KNOWS who wrote the passages. It's a false statement.

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Win what?
Seriously, what?

The Iowa caucus. I take it your not paying much attention to the election.

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That's because of outsourcing which is solely and exclusively to blame. Stop the outsourcing and keep American jobs in America and we'll have more money then what we know to do with. A nation who is being fleeced left and right is unsustainable.

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For nearly 20 yrs it was a non issue because he attempted to hide them and the fact it's his name attached to it is the reason why for the attack as someone's stance does not change as a leopard cannot and does not change its spots.

Originally posted by Aesop

Originally posted by JBA2848
reply to post by LibertyCrazy

 

Page 17 at the top I posted some of the articles he wrote.
Atleast its the best I could find.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

There is more here not sure how many are the same?

www.tnr.com...

edit on 22-12-2011 by JBA2848 because: (no reason given)

Who wrote?

You said he wrote?

Misleading aren't we tonight.

Aesop

I will post this again.

The Coming Race War!
www.tnr.com...

Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressmen. What an infamy that Ronald Regan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.

How many congressmen were writing for the Ron Paul news letter?