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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Phage

Your timeline is far off but I would agree that there is not any evidence of advanced civilizations to be found.


Ooops!!


And THAT, folks, is what I get for reciting this stuff off the top of my head instead of looking it up!

Good catch!




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Someone shared that according to Lauren Moret the radiation was going to fill all of the northern hemisphere and even Australia, in the end. Also there is the methane bubbles up north, and the dangers of hydrogen sulfide, which would be a real depopulation event if it happens. What he said was the safest place on earth was middle of Africa, just below the equator.

The history text books came to mind, and the Out Of Africa scenario with supposed cavemen in Europe.

It kind of turns all of that around if you think De Ju Vu, and that before that huge cycle, something world wide just like this, occurred, to an advanced, possibly space age (there are structures on Mars and mysteries on the moon) cultures, and who really knows how many times.

Out of Africa is a huge cycle. And so far, everyone says its a cosmic cycle. I see the industrial greed of the bloodlines, and corporations responsible for the abuse of technology, not clean solutions, free solutions.

I see many underwater nukes, even ones that were strategic.

I see HAARP.

I don't see any cosmic things yet.

So I see an insane bloodline group,and that they are determined to, possibly following bad orders from Legion, destroy earth and nearly all life on if it is allowed or permitted from above or humanity. Possibly volcanoes and maybe even an ice age at least in part of the world, and then Out Of Africa, unless this is LAST CYCLE before the upgrade.

I believe in miracles. And they're not off the hook.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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A way to keep the data from being lost would be to launch a timecapsul of some type of strong material that is placed in orbit around planet of interest or even in orbit around star that planet of interest lays near. And hope it will be detected in the future somehow.....



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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We have discussed this at lenght in other threads: This is a list of what a civilization could do to avoid being detected - if they did any of these then they would be detectable - with luck

How a civilization can remain undetected:

1. have very few people - but this will tend to limit your technological advancement
2. don't make fires or disperse the ash and carbon produced from this
3. don't make pottery or bake clay
4. don't modifiy the environment in any way
5. don't domesticate animals or plants in particular
6. don't eat shell fish (the middens are easy to spot)
7. don't bury people, destroy bodies at death and disperse the bones - crush the teeth
8. absolutely no use of stone for tools, do not modify ivory, bone or shells either
9. never disturb the earth (by driving in a stake)
10. don't hunt animals and if you do widely disperse their remains
11. move constantly to avoid a build-up of waste, both human and food remains
12. don't live near a lake or other place where sediments, pollen and pollutants gather

There if you do all that you'll be fairly undetectable



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:24 PM
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Some good posts here.

At first glance i thought the "satellite theory" is great..just to realize that no satellite would make it for millions of years...they would sooner or later come down i assume.

Moon is a good one too...and i *could* see that some "artifacts" however might be able to survive somewhere deep underground where there is no climate/wind/meteorite impacts etc.

The other good one is indeed that we could find "something" frozen below the ice in Antarctica or in such places like Lake Vostok etc.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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Originally posted by flexy123
Some good posts here.

At first glance i thought the "satellite theory" is great..just to realize that no satellite would make it for millions of years...they would sooner or later come down i assume.


Not if they are at a Lagrange point which are fairly stable. Anything left on a moon or asteroid will last for tens of millions of years, much longer if protected or buried



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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If you are actually talking tens of millions of years, subduction would take its toll on everything, crunching it beneath the tectonic plates. Not much chance of anything viable left.

If you are talking tens of thousands of years, there is quite a lot of evidence of prior "civilizations," though perhaps not spread worldwide or with huge populations. If we could just lower the sea level about 100 feet ala "Five Chinese Brothers" we could probably find some very cool stuff.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by schuyler
If you are actually talking tens of millions of years, subduction would take its toll on everything, crunching it beneath the tectonic plates. Not much chance of anything viable left.

If you are talking tens of thousands of years, there is quite a lot of evidence of prior "civilizations," though perhaps not spread worldwide or with huge populations. If we could just lower the sea level about 100 feet ala "Five Chinese Brothers" we could probably find some very cool stuff.


Lots of old crust is still around the oldest surviving crust is 3.7 to 4.3 billion years old. Sources vary but about about 15% of this old crust is still around, for younger crust there is increasing percentage of it up to our modern age.

There are places where the coast has lifted plus you would get wave action bring artifacts to shore. There is also the odd idea that an ancient civilizations would have only built on narrow strips of coastal area - and not leave a single trace on a hill nearby.....or inland at all, nor move inland when the water started to rise!



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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I've always wondered about this subject and I guess you would have to consider what would be left millions of years after our current civilization is gone. I have to believe that there would be aritfacts left that would be easily indentifiable. That's why I have a hard time believing that if there were civilzations that had high tech capabilities that some things would survive that span of time.



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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Originally posted by lme7898354
I've always wondered about this subject and I guess you would have to consider what would be left millions of years after our current civilization is gone. I have to believe that there would be aritfacts left that would be easily indentifiable. That's why I have a hard time believing that if there were civilzations that had high tech capabilities that some things would survive that span of time.


Well that's it tens of zillions of things would survive from a civilization our size. The rule of thumb is that only 99.99% of things survive in the archaeological record and fewer still become 'fossilized'. But if you multiple that by the number of people, habitations and 'things' a civiilzation would produce the odds become rather good you'd find stuff.

If you go to the Middle-East you'll find pottery sherds everywhere (mixed now with plastic) but hard to avoid. One of the reasons the 'we won't find anything idea' keep popping up is due to a need to explain away the lack of any evidence for these 'civilizations'. There might be such civilizations but we've not seen hide nor hair of them yet.



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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I would hypothesise that, if built to last, there would/could be plenty of architectural evidence that would "suggest" highly technological ancient cultures, the problem is that smaller pieces of technology, microchips, devices, etc. tend to be relatively delicate...not to go all "Ancient Aliens" (though I am having a voluminous hair day) I think it entirely possible that legendary items, weapons , etc. that we're supposed to have mystical powers could have been ancient advanced technologies.

The thing is, we don't know what we don't know because of how good of a job early Christians did at assimilating and destroying a lot of our ancient history while spreading their faith.

One place I would like to go...the vaults of the Vatican.



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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I've wondered about this on a smaller scale. Like archaeologists have found a shelter built by homo erectus 500,000 years old. And they are deciding that cities existed before agriculture. Maybe homo erectus built temples somewhere.



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 04:21 PM
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Everything would be in electronic format, like where we are headed. Everything would be bio-degradable, like where we are headed. Once an catastrophic incident occurs, all the knowledge and history in electronic format vanishes. Time and natural forces reclaim the land back to piles of molecules.



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by tkwasny
Everything would be in electronic format, like where we are headed. Everything would be bio-degradable, like where we are headed. Once an catastrophic incident occurs, all the knowledge and history in electronic format vanishes. Time and natural forces reclaim the land back to piles of molecules.


Yes the 'eco' stage explanation - but to get to the eco stage all known cultures have gone thru the non-eco stage(and few if any have past into an eco stage after that). ie they would need to mine and produce all the materials to make it possible to go to an electronic eco age. Again this fails to explain why domesticated plants, cut crystals, pottery do not appear, no glass - what do people store and cook food in in this 'eco' age?

If you look carefully at our present concept of ecological living - it would leave a trace on/in the earth also



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 06:58 PM
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I think it entirely possible that legendary items, weapons , etc. that we're supposed to have mystical powers could have been ancient advanced technologies.

The thing is, we don't know what we don't know because of how good of a job early Christians did at assimilating and destroying a lot of our ancient history while spreading their faith.

One place I would like to go...the vaults of the Vatican.



Hi tech weapons require hi tech maintenance and the ability to repair them; no such technology has shown up

Christians had controlled over only a tiny portion of the earth surface until much, much later in history. You do realize that the Vatican has been taken over by those hostile to it more than once? I would recommend looking at the non-fringe history of the Vatican library especially when it has been scattered, and looted by outsiders. When Rome got looted - so did the 'Vatican'

Transfers and political upheavals caused the total loss of all the archival material preceding Innocent III, 1198 AD



posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by lme7898354
I've always wondered about this subject and I guess you would have to consider what would be left millions of years after our current civilization is gone. I have to believe that there would be aritfacts left that would be easily indentifiable. That's why I have a hard time believing that if there were civilzations that had high tech capabilities that some things would survive that span of time.


Now it dawns on me that my question was actually...ah little dumb. Why? Because we DO indeed find stuff which is millions of years old, even life forms! Look at fossils and dinosaur bones etc.

So..if we assume there was a civilization millions of years ago..we SHOULD not only find fossils of dinosaurs etc. but also occasionally whatever other (speculative) life-forms there were..plus/minus the occasional artifact.

On the other hand, this could also mean that on Mars and other planets we could *possibly* only find such fossils/artifacts via digging or maybe simply by coincidence.

There is chances we fly probes up there and cant find anything (since whatever life on another planet might be gone for MILLIONS of years already)..but there might be fossils which we simply cannot find without extensive "digging". (And as is the common assumption, Mars WAS once habitable ...)
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posted on Dec, 23 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Originally posted by Hanslune

Hi tech weapons require hi tech maintenance and the ability to repair them; no such technology has shown up

Christians had controlled over only a tiny portion of the earth surface until much, much later in history. You do realize that the Vatican has been taken over by those hostile to it more than once? I would recommend looking at the non-fringe history of the Vatican library especially when it has been scattered, and looted by outsiders. When Rome got looted - so did the 'Vatican'

Transfers and political upheavals caused the total loss of all the archival material preceding Innocent III, 1198 AD


But that's exactly my point...yes, the Vatican's reach was limited, but take into consider the Crusades, and the loss of much of the archival history which, traditionally we're held by religious institutions.

I only use the Vatican as an example...



posted on Dec, 24 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Originally posted by madhatr137
Christians had controlled over only a tiny portion of the earth surface until much, much later in history. You do realize that the Vatican has been taken over by those hostile to it more than once? I would recommend looking at the non-fringe history of the Vatican library especially when it has been scattered, and looted by outsiders. When Rome got looted - so did the 'Vatican'

Transfers and political upheavals caused the total loss of all the archival material preceding Innocent III, 1198 AD


But that's exactly my point...yes, the Vatican's reach was limited, but take into consider the Crusades, and the loss of much of the archival history which, traditionally we're held by religious institutions.


From your earlier post



I would hypothesise that, if built to last, there would/could be plenty of architectural evidence that would "suggest" highly technological ancient cultures, the problem is that smaller pieces of technology, microchips, devices, etc. tend to be relatively delicate...not to go all "Ancient Aliens" (though I am having a voluminous hair day) I think it entirely possible that legendary items, weapons , etc. that we're supposed to have mystical powers could have been ancient advanced technologies.


The 'smaller' pieces of technology are made by big machines; you might want to consider the present process to make a computer chip which requires (simplified) a furnance to make the silicon, a diamond saw to cut them, then a lapping device to smooth the chip, a clean room, a 'masking' machine, etc. All these machines have to be made, ie you need machines to make those machines and you need machines to get the resources out of the ground to make those machines - and you need a lot of electrical power - again large machines, etc

The small laptop computer you have sits atop a huge mound of technology that is required to built it.



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posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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I believe Mars had a civilization, call me crazy but I believe it. I have this strange thing for Mars
always have.

I don't think anything would be left. I watched that show life after people and it showed what would happen and at 1000 yrs you wouldnt find anything so millions if not billions of years well there wouldn't be anything!

Look at the out of place artifacts here...I think many of them prove that we had civilizations that were advanced even in our own past.. IMO natural disasters/mother nature happened. How can we think that our planet is the only safe planet from any kind of cataclysm in the past. I mean weren't the dinosaurs supposedly wiped out by one of those natural disasters?


With as old as the Earth is I find it hard ot believe that we are the only ones to have ever lived here and risen in advancement. Just because they didnt have iPods or internet doesnt mean they didnt have their own forms of technology








posted on Dec, 26 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by mblahnikluver
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I believe Mars had a civilization, call me crazy but I believe it. I have this strange thing for Mars
always have.


I was a little disappointed when the Mariner 4 found craters and desolation in 1965


I don't think anything would be left. I watched that show life after people and it showed what would happen and at 1000 yrs you wouldnt find anything so millions if not billions of years well there wouldn't be anything!


The show is reflecting the view of a non-specialist looking at the site without digging; a specialist digging would find tons of stuff


Look at the out of place artifacts here...I think many of them prove that we had civilizations that were advanced even in our own past.


No, none of the ooparts have been shown to be what some people want them to be, no proof



IMO natural disasters/mother nature happened. How can we think that our planet is the only safe planet from any kind of cataclysm in the past. I mean weren't the dinosaurs supposedly wiped out by one of those natural disasters?


The universe it would appear is a dangerous place


With as old as the Earth is I find it hard ot believe that we are the only ones to have ever lived here and risen in advancement. Just because they didnt have iPods or internet doesnt mean they didnt have their own forms of technology


The problem is - no evidence of such civilizations has been found








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