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Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by colbe
I don't think you're a non-Catholic Christian Akragon, you're here to protest Christ.
Incorrect...
I defend the words of Christ... usually against Catholic/Christian/Paulian alike...
You might find that jews tend to adhear to their traditions... Jesus told us "call no man on earth your father"... Likely not something jews of that time would listen to... plus Abraham isn't on earth at that time technically...Nor were the "fathers" Jesus was refering to...
See if you can find any non jewish people in those passages? Now im not saying i have anything against jews or any particular religous sect... im just defining scripture. None of those passages are refering to living people as "father"
Jesus was also born into judaism, yet he didn't teach the same thing as the jews did. In many cases you'll find Jews trying to stone Jesus as well.
As for the scriptures from paul... He can be found to be a liar within scripture, so anything he wrote is not to be trusted... imho
And btw you're correct... Im not a Christian or a Catholic... or any other relgious title you chose to bestow on men.
I do not label my beliefs... I am who i am... Nothing more
edit on 27-12-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
You asked for the Scripture verse and now you ignore them. Because
they don't agree with your opinion. By whose authority do you speak?
Not Christ. Everyone sees by those verses how often Jesus uses the term "father" and so His mother and the Apostles.
Let it rest finally, it's foolish, the call no man father protest. Holy men, men of authority chosen by God were/are reverently called Father.
You are not serious, your comments are childish and mocking.
Originally posted by RevelationGeneration
reply to post by IAMIAM
Who do you think you are?
1 John 2:26-27
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 Corinthians 2:10
"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."
John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you."
JOHN 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH ..."
2 Cor. 13:14,
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
Originally posted by sacgamer25
I do not believe that I am special and I don’t know why God has chosen me. I am the least of all my brothers, so I remain humbled by God for he has saved me when I was still a sinner. All Glory to god the only true Father.
1 John 2:16-17 ESV
For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.
Hebrews 13:20-21 ESV
Now may the God of peace who brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, the great shepherd of the sheep, by the blood of the eternal covenant, equip you with everything good that you may do his will, working in us that which is pleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory forever and ever. Amen.
John 6:38-40 ESV
For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day. For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”
Romans 12:2 ESV
Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.
Ephesians 5:15-17 ESV
Look carefully then how you walk, not as unwise but as wise, making the best use of the time, because the days are evil. Therefore do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is.
Matthew 7:21-23 ESV
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
Matthew 6:10 ESV
Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by sacgamer25
Back in the late eighties there was a popular catch-phrase with Christians, "Let go, and let God".
Your philosophy reminds me of that, with no real grounding in scripture but makes you kind of feel good up until the first problem comes along that you have to deal with.
Law does not have to be the same as The Law, as in what existed in Judaism back then, but it is a fundamental law of behavior that takes into consideration other people than yourself. The works of The Law can not save you but following the fundamental law can. Otherwise, what was Jesus talking about?
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;". Now do you say, "oh, no! that looks like a law to me."?
So why do you simply refuse what I say.
Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by sacgamer25
So why do you simply refuse what I say.
If I was, you would know it because I can get pretty hostile.
You seem funny to me saying how the law or whatever is a burden but you burden yourself with what someone wrote in a book.
I don't discard things from the Bible based on what I like or don't like.
There is some pretty good research behind it from academics.
Originally posted by LunaKat
Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by LunaKat
Dear LunaKat,
Hello, again. Mind if I jump in once more?
I agree with your main point. People can be loving without God. It happens. At least, it does if I understand the meaning of your words. Kindness can come from anyone. But it seems there is misunderstanding between you and colbe over the meaning of the words. Just the word "loving" has so many meanings that one despairs of listing them.
It seems, and I could easily be wrong, that colbe believes strongly in her faith and wants everyone to know about it and her reasons for believing it. That's hard for me to condemn, no matter what religion the person espouses. I can accept hearing about it and then rejecting or accepting it as my spirit and reason tell me.
I also agree with you that loving is an essential goal or standard of our lives. May I ask you to reconsider some of the things you said about colbe in your post? You may very well disagree, but did you disagree in love? May I also suggest that attacking someone's religion pretty much dampens any hope for communication?
With respect,
Charles1952
Hi Charles, its hard for me love a spammer ok? If I knew who Colbe's ISP was, I would report Colbe for spamming to his ISP...thats how serious about this I am.
There is no misunderstanding over the word love.
You do not know what has been going on. Colbe keeps trying to openly convert me and other people. I have told Colbe no so many times I have lost count. Colbe keeps pushing at it. Does not take no for an answer. That is neither respectful nor loving. Colbe may claim to have a God..but Colbe is not a loving person.
Colbe also keeps asking on that other forum what my sexuality is because I believe God is female. What business in the world is it of Colbe's to know that? Colbe is beyond rude. Far beyond rude.
As far as reconsider things between me and Colbe, sorry that ship has sailed.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by colbe
Originally posted by Akragon
reply to post by colbe
I don't think you're a non-Catholic Christian Akragon, you're here to protest Christ.
Incorrect...
I defend the words of Christ... usually against Catholic/Christian/Paulian alike...
You might find that jews tend to adhear to their traditions... Jesus told us "call no man on earth your father"... Likely not something jews of that time would listen to... plus Abraham isn't on earth at that time technically...Nor were the "fathers" Jesus was refering to...
See if you can find any non jewish people in those passages? Now im not saying i have anything against jews or any particular religous sect... im just defining scripture. None of those passages are refering to living people as "father"
Jesus was also born into judaism, yet he didn't teach the same thing as the jews did. In many cases you'll find Jews trying to stone Jesus as well.
As for the scriptures from paul... He can be found to be a liar within scripture, so anything he wrote is not to be trusted... imho
And btw you're correct... Im not a Christian or a Catholic... or any other relgious title you chose to bestow on men.
I do not label my beliefs... I am who i am... Nothing more
edit on 27-12-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
You asked for the Scripture verse and now you ignore them. Because
they don't agree with your opinion. By whose authority do you speak?
Not Christ. Everyone sees by those verses how often Jesus uses the term "father" and so His mother and the Apostles.
Let it rest finally, it's foolish, the call no man father protest. Holy men, men of authority chosen by God were/are reverently called Father.
You are not serious, your comments are childish and mocking.
I am my own authority,,, Though i used Christ's words
I am not ignoring anything he said... though you seem to be.
And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
As i've said, all of those instances the ones they called father are not ON EARTH...
im sorry if you can't see the flaws in your religion... my comments arn't childish or mocking.... though again yours do seem to be.
And you call your Own "lord's" words foolish as well...
Its unfortunate you can't see the truth.... but so be it
But it's your "Truth", you just said it. "I am my own authority." Personal opinion means nothing, it's what God has revealed through His Church.
You have mocked Christ, go back and read your comments. Anti-Catholics, anti-Christians cannot defend their beliefs, they always turn it to the personal attack.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by colbe
Taught by the Spirit
1 John 2:26-27
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray. 27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.
1 Corinthians 2:10
"But God has revealed them to us through His Spirit. For the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God. For what man knows the things of a man except the spirit of the man which is in him? Even so no one knows the things of God except the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God."
John 14:26
"But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, HE WILL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS, and bring to your remembrance all things that I have said to you."
JOHN 16:13
"However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, HE WILL GUIDE YOU INTO ALL TRUTH ..."
2 Cor. 13:14,
"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
You see my brother I understand your passion for the church and I commend you for this. My passion is for no church only the message from our loving father and his son, our only high priest, our only king, the only one by which we are forgiven and saved.
If the word of God promises me that the Holy Spirit will teach me all things then the Holy Spirit will do what is promised. No church is the Holy Spirit, nor can any church teach me what the Holy Spirit can teach me. Nor can I, whom is lead and taught by the Holy Spirit, teach you all things. I can only guide you down the path to the Holy Spirit. I can only teach you the things that I have been taught by the Holy Spirit.
Just as you believe that the Catholic Church is the only authority capable of interpreting the Bible I believe that God, the Holy Spirit is the only one capable of interpreting the bible. You have put your trust in men I have put my trust in God alone. How does your church explain the verses above?
You say that nothing that the church says contradicts the bible. But saying the Catholic Church is the only authority capable of interpreting scripture is clearly in Contradiction to the message above.
There is only one authority God and he makes his home in me, just as he promised. The Holy Spirit lives in me. So you see the only High Priest, only teacher, and only King chooses to live in me, and give me the gift of interpretation.
I am a sinner just like everyone else. I simply had faith in God above all other authority on earth. I do not believe that I am special and I don’t know why God has chosen me. I am the least of all my brothers, so I remain humbled by God for he has saved me when I was still a sinner. All Glory to god the only true Father.
edit on 27-12-2011 by sacgamer25 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by Akragon
I meant to post my comment under your quote Akragon.
But it's your "Truth", you just said it. "I am my own authority." Personal opinion means nothing, it's what God has revealed through His Church.
You have mocked Christ, go back and read your comments. Anti-Catholics, anti-Christians cannot defend their beliefs, they always turn it to the personal attack.
Since when has this been a Catholic doctrine, or is this your personal opinion?
Jesus is returning soon to reveal this Truth and more to every soul on
the earth. Before the anti-Christ comes to full power.
Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by colbe
So you see here is what you are missing. And what the church is missing. The will of the father, not the will of the church, will be done and man has very little to do with this. If it is God's will for the Eucharist to go away then it will go away. If it is not his will than it will not go away.
I provided you with enough versus to see that what I say is true. By using only scripture I proved to you that it was the Holy Spirit that is the teacher of everything, not the church. You have only provided me scripture that points to a church, and you have provided interpretation that point to your church.
Now you see I am not claiming that any denominations, including Catholics are the right or wrong church. As a matter of fact I am claiming that anyone who believes that Jesus is the son of God belongs to my church. You see anything that you say that attempts to cause division amongst fellow believers is not from God. We are all part of one body and each of us has a function.
So no interpretation is better than any other. The only thing that is important, the message that Christ taught is to do the will of your father, God's forgiveness of sins, and repentance, all of the rest of the stuff that the church teaches is of little importance.
Don’t you see that there is nothing any of us can do to be worthy of Heaven, it was a gift. So eating this or that, doing this or that, observing this day or that day as special, all of these are worthless things that will pass away, just as my brother Paul said.
The only thing that will never pass away is the will of your father. So choose to do the will of your father, God, and you will be choosing the path of Christ. So instead of telling me what I must do to go to heaven accept that we are all part of one body and that what I am here to do may indeed be different than what you are here to do.
The only way for you to know if you are doing the will of your father is to ask, and be willing to let the Holy Spirit Guide you. I know the Holy Spirit guides me so I know that I do the will of my father.
If we can do this than we can love each other. So you see we both believe in Christ so we are brothers.
With love from your brother in Christ Jesus.
Originally posted by Akragon
Originally posted by colbe
reply to post by Akragon
Please show me how i have mocked Christ... and when did i attack anyone?
I only attack when provoked by an attack, and i don't recall either...
I can easily defend my beliefs, and they are not Christian or Catholic...
So please enlighten me so i can clairify...
And by the way, No church on this planet is Gods church.... you have been fooled
edit on 28-12-2011 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
Akragon,
To say you are "not Christian or Catholic" shows your limited understanding.
There are Catholic Christians and non-Catholic Christians.
Your personal "beliefs" maybe easy to proclaim but they aren't going to get you to Heaven. God has revealed the way to get to Heaven through the Church He established, the Roman Catholic Church.
Our Lord made Peter the head of His Church -Matt 16:18- here on earth. The fullness of God's Truth passed down since then hasn't changed. God doesn't change. To protest and say, yes but the RCC became corrupted. Not true, this would make Jesus who is God a liar. Our Lord said after making Peter head of His Church, He said the gates of Hell will not prevail against My Church. Satan has tried but will not destroy the Church, we have Our Lord's promise.
Read a Catholic Bible and the footnotes. www.drbo.org...
Read the Catechism, it is on the Net too. Catholic apologetics might
be a better start to search. The Catechism can be difficult for beginners.