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posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1


Every major chemical firm is in development of a petrol free plastic that won't be production ready for at least 10 - 15 years. This is allowing private industry to take the lead there, but notice how in order to make this happen Govt had to set the tone and reset the direction?



Henry Ford was using plastic made from crops on the Model T. I believe it was from Soybeans.

He also envisioned America powering itself. His first cars ran on fuel he made. Fuel from potatoes. I think he even made fuel from Hemp for a time being as well.




posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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So you want this to occur:

The fundamental problem with smaller Govt that no one's paying any attention to is that when Govt itself is limited and restricted that means a large corporation like Walmart of Goldman Sachs would have more influence and control over the populous then Govt itself. Big Govt is needed in order to prevent a Microsoft from controlling what we do and that invites a Corporatocracy to emerge as whereas if you think that for one red second that corporations have too much influence and control over us now this would be just the tip of the iceberg if we limit Govt!

Right? You want Govt out the way so that Goldman Sachs and Walmart can tell you how to live, what to buy, where to buy? Defang Govt and this is what we all will get. Look at Indonesia and how Big Tobacco has more control there then the Indonesian Government in Jakarta! Watch the Current TV episode of Vanguard covering how Big Tobacco is taking over there.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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China gets all the profits, once again. They have cornered the market on Rare Earth, needed to make the batteries.



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 04:32 PM
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Some idiots seem to believe that Obama's "packaged" restructuring was to save the US auto industry. They failto see that it his "foot in the door" to using American industry to pay back his cronies, toss a bone to China for their auto-desperate masses, and to drive consumer econonomics out of the auto purchase equation.

The Volt is only a symptom of this administration's eagerness to force its policy upon us as the "best," if not the only choice.

Few remember that he promised that our energy costs would skyrocket under his programs, that he would bankrupt anyone who wanted to build a new power plant.

The Volt is symbolic of state-planning run amok. It fits right in with Solyndra and other means of control over decisions that should be our own to make.

deny ignorance

jw



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by jdub297
The Volt is symbolic of state-planning run amok.


The Volt is the Obama version of the Trabant, another notorious state-sponsored piece of crap.


The inefficient, labour-intensive production line was kept open only because of government subsidies. source


Sound familiar?



posted on Dec, 27 2011 @ 10:52 PM
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When the Washington Post (WaPo) acknowledges that these decisions are political, rather than scientific, economic or just "green," the varnish must surely have worn off.


“What’s so troubling is that politics seems to be the dominant factor,” said Ryan Alexander, president of Taxpayers for Common Sense, a nonpartisan watchdog group. “They’re not talking about what the taxpayers are losing; they’re not talking about the failure of the technology, whether we bet on the wrong horse. What they are talking about is ‘How are we going to manage this politically?’ ”

The administration, which excluded lobbyists from policymaking positions, gave easy access to venture capitalists with stakes in some of the companies backed by the administration, the records show. Many of those investors had given to Obama’s 2008 campaign. Some took jobs in the administration and helped manage the clean-
energy program.

Solyndra: Politics infused Obama energy programs


Others, with less of a pro-Obama bent, are not reluctant to see that the Volt, Solyndra, et c., are part and parcel of the Obama agenda to undermine private capital and enforce state planning"


The result of the subsidies was to pay off important constituents and constituencies, whether that was George Kaiser in the green-tech stimulus, Philip Falcone in the broadband push, or Big Labor in the decision to interfere with the bankruptcy process of GM and Chrysler. Everything they have done in their domestic agenda has been about improving their position politically rather than actually growing the economy and creating jobs.

WaPo: Hey, there were a lot of politics going on green-tech boondoggles


jw



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1

So you want this to occur:

The fundamental problem with smaller Govt that no one's paying any attention to is that when Govt itself is limited and restricted that means a large corporation like Walmart of Goldman Sachs would have more influence and control over the populous then Govt itself. Big Govt is needed in order to prevent a Microsoft from controlling what we do and that invites a Corporatocracy to emerge as whereas if you think that for one red second that corporations have too much influence and control over us now this would be just the tip of the iceberg if we limit Govt!

Yet another attempt to be clever. Cut and paste much????
The idea that smaller Govt would then usher in controlling business is about as close to anarchy as you can get, without actual anarchy. Nice try though.
You pitch no Govt in your retort.
I want smaller Govt.
WAY BIG difference.
Never said I wanted no Govt. Get your crap straight.


Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Right? You want Govt out the way so that Goldman Sachs and Walmart can tell you how to live, what to buy, where to buy? Defang Govt and this is what we all will get. Look at Indonesia and how Big Tobacco has more control there then the Indonesian Government in Jakarta! Watch the Current TV episode of Vanguard covering how Big Tobacco is taking over there.

Yep, another stride from one extreme to another.
Don't care about Indonesia, it is not America.
Nice try again.

You fail.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Copy and paste job more then applies!

You are saying that's Indonesia and not America is what WILL HAPPEN if we deregulate, defang and declaw Govt! Hell, it's already here! Notice how many lawsuit advertisements you see pertaining to at least 10 different scrips? All as a result of deregulation!

OUR LAWS ARE TO PROTECT THE POPULOUS AND SHOULD NOT ALWAYS DEFEND CORPORATIONS!



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:46 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
reply to post by macman
 


Copy and paste job more then applies!

You are saying that's Indonesia and not America is what WILL HAPPEN if we deregulate, defang and declaw Govt! Hell, it's already here! Notice how many lawsuit advertisements you see pertaining to at least 10 different scrips? All as a result of deregulation!

OUR LAWS ARE TO PROTECT THE POPULOUS AND SHOULD NOT ALWAYS DEFEND CORPORATIONS!

More gibberish.

How will the US go the route of Indonesia?
They are a third world country, with little Economic standing in the world, a population that is uneducated, and poor agriculture.

More pompous banter from a know truth stretcher and 0bama yes man.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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Delete the regulations and protections here and we will have the same kind of protections like Indonesia or even Tuvalu or Palau! Two other nations that has absolutely no regulations where most of the populous is lucky to see the age of 40.
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:04 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Delete the regulations and protections here and we will have the same kind of protections like Indonesia or even Tuvalu or Palau! Two other nations that has absolutely no regulations!


Do you not understand that less regulations does not equal no regulations? You seem to be purposefully obtuse.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Massive regulations are needed over matters of food safety, environmental protections, employee protections, medical safety protections, financial markets because if it does not exist it will BE EXPLOITED as they will say "No laws exist, you have no authourity to impose that!"! What about this do you and mac not get?

The ideal dream of a utopian nation in their world would be no regulations because they will not stop there as they will see it as them being able to get one foot in the door and will spent billions upon billions trying to get the other foot in the door. It opens a pandora's box. Give them an centimetre and they will take a kilometre!

They are exactly like a rabid dog over found roadkill with us being the roadkill!

What type of industry do you work for? What do you do for work?
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Massive regulations are needed over matters of food safety, environmental protections, employee protections, medical safety protections, financial markets because if it does not exist it will BE EXPLOITED as they will say "No laws exist, you have no authourity to impose that!"! What about this do you and mac not get?


Massive regulations lead to massive costs for the end user/consumer. Corporations are in esscence pass-thorughs. Any taxes or additional costs imposed on them will only be passed to you and I as gross profit needs to remain at a certain level to remain operating,


The ideal dream of a utopian nation in their world would be no regulations because they will not stop there as they will see it as them being able to get one foot in the door and will spent billions upon billions trying to get the other foot in the door. It opens a pandora's box. Give them an centimetre and they will take a kilometre!


People and corporations can ask for anything, this once again does not equate to granting all requests. The United State needs to remain competitive vis a vis other world markets.


What type of industry do you work for? What do you do for work?


Why does this even matter? If, however, it means such a great deal to you I am Sales Director for a company that sells industrial fasteners to manufacturers. This means I get to see first hand, every day, how difficult it is to manufacture profitably in the United States, let alone the New York/New Jersey area. I deal with companies that run the gamut from mom and pop operations up to Fortune 100 companies.

Taxes and regulations are strangling most of them and once their business is gone it is extremely difficult to bring it back. If you for some reason doubt me then you are welcome to come out with me to speak with these people first hand and let them recount their various issues with government. Governement is inherently dangerous, massive government, in any aspect, is oppresive.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
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Delete the regulations and protections here and we will have the same kind of protections like Indonesia or even Tuvalu or Palau! Two other nations that has absolutely no regulations where most of the populous is lucky to see the age of 40.
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Again, swinging the pendulum from one extreme to another.
I NEVER SAID NO GOVT.
What part of that do you not understand? Or has the 0bama thinking just crossed your wires so bad that all you can retort with is the above?



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 10:53 AM
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Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1
Delete the regulations and protections here and we will have the same kind of protections like Indonesia or even Tuvalu or Palau! Two other nations that has absolutely no regulations!


Do you not understand that less regulations does not equal no regulations? You seem to be purposefully obtuse.


Willful ignorance to the blind follower of 0bama and Massive Controlling Govt.
He sees it, just can't admit it because he has gone to far into the tunnel of his own BS.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:00 AM
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It is nice that he failed to address anything technical to this hunk of crap vehicle or the Spark he seems to have a love affair for.

The Volt is junk, highly subsidizes by the Tax Payer, has a max range on Batteries of 35 miles, still has to pull power from the coal based grid, and the batteries don't break down after disposal and have a 10 year life.

What a hunk of crap.

And the Spark. Well, still subsidized, still uses batteries that are produced in China, still don't break down after disposal and will still have a life span of what 10 years?

Fantastic.


So, is there a plan by GM and 0bama to provide disposal for these batteries?
And, the whole BS green idea is right out the window, because it still needs power from somewhere.

Oh yeah, where will it be manufactured?
Oh year, the Tesla, nice, if you have what $150k for a battery car?

Yep, things sure are looking up in the world.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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Everyone and their mother wants to continue the policies of the last 30 years that got us into this mess today but are forgetting about the 50 year gap before that whereas national prosperity was at it's peak, a period where the worker had strength, the nation had strength, unions had strength, even the corporation had strength.

We are being slowly indoctrinated to accept the cheapest made goods from China and fail to realize that we are paying for quantity and not quality whereas the quality of foreign made goods has suffered greatly.

Your job exists due to safety regulations so continue to want less and no regulations and your company will be forced to close because it'd be against the law for it to exist! See how you are shooting yourself in the foot here?

New Jersey regulation needs to be stringent. I'm sure you've heard of by now the planned Spectra Energy Pipeline proposal right? Deregulation would allow them to run a pipeline adjacent to your house and there'd be nothing you can say or do about it, deregulation would allow them to put a chemical dumping ground next to the park that your kids play in! Do you really want to go there?
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Tesla Motors recently got a $450 Million loan from the US Dept of Energy to help finance it's 2013 Model S all electric sedan yet you are saying nothing about that!

Hypocrite!

An All-Electric Sedan, Awaiting Federal Aid
www.nytimes.com...

Why are you only trashing GM? That's right, because the Volt and Spark are 100% American made! Because they are allowing America to have a success story and since Obama is a big supported of the growth of American industry is the SOLE AND EXCLUSIVE REASON why you are against it!

You are Anti American as you'd rather see Japan or China make major strides on this then your own damn country and get the hell out of this nation and move there is you think it's SOOO BAD HERE! Good riddance, good bye and don't let the door hit you on the way out!

Here's a link to get you started :
United States Dept Of State Renunciation of U.S. Citizenship
travel.state.gov...

GOOD BYE, YOUR TRUE COLOURS HAVE NOW COME OUT!

All to prevent the Black Man in The White House form having a success because when he has a success America has a success and you better start realizing this!

Every major stride and advancement forward is subsidized somehow and somewhere! Bank receive subsidies to screw us here yet that's ok, Big Pharm gets subsidies to keep us eternally sick but that's ok, Big Oil gets subsidies to screw and rape the planet and that's ok but GOD FORBID if GM gets subsidies to move us off of oil! That's SOMEHOW WRONG! Get a life!
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posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by TheImmaculateD1




New Jersey regulation needs to be stringent. I'm sure you've heard of by now the planned Spectra Energy Pipeline proposal right? Deregulation would allow them to run a pipeline adjacent to your house and there'd be nothing you can say or do about it, deregulation would allow them to put a chemical dumping ground next to the park that your kids play in! Do you really want to go there?
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Yep, because that is what we have been pitching the whole time


Really? Is that all you got left in your bag of tricks?
Using the same tired old BS of No Govt?

Good hell. What a waste of time dealing with you is.

If only you would read and comprehend what is retorted to you.
But, I am sure your response to this will be one of four things.
1. Blame it on the SCUM

2. Call me either Anti-American or a Terrorist or both.
3. Parrot the whole "No Govt Regulation" crap again
4. Go off on some tangent about dirty air or the Triangle Shirt Factory Fire.



posted on Dec, 28 2011 @ 11:16 AM
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The Triangle factory deal regulation ALLOWED MORE THEN 7,000 TO FLEE THE WTC ON 9/11, no regulations and that toll would've been at 10,000+!

Is this what you want?

Another more recent one :

Cancer-causing hexavalent chromium was disposed of in Jersey City by Honeywell International, Inc. and PPG Industries for decades.
www.jerseycitylawsuit.com...

Each red dot indicates the presence of abnormally high levels of chromium :
www.jerseycitylawsuit.com...

Were the people of Jersey City supposed to just accept this? Were we not to say anything and keep our traps shut because it might scare off future corporate prospects? 700,000 tons of dirt had to be removed at PPG and Honeywell's expense and cost both a whopping $400 Million in judgements because they refused to do a thing about it!

PPG Settles Federal Suit, Agrees to Strengthen Garfield Avenue Chromium Cleanup Plan
www.jerseycityindependent.com...

The City of Jersey City did not pay out one cent to clean it up!
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