I wanted to add that holding public office is another very good idea for helping positive change to occur. But if it's specifically about Occupy's
goals, it should not associated with one of the existing parties - neither one is backed by 99% of the population. We do need more average people, and
young people, especially, holding office, so that our views are represented and taken seriously.
As for the sunshine, rainbows and lollipops comment: yeah, that's pretty much my point, from a cynical stance. Most people are too tired to want to
think hard about the issues right off the bat, so first you have to give them what they hedonistically crave, something immediately fun, easy,
enjoyable...then, with that kind of energy-kick...sort of like a sugar high... you can start motivating them to work for what they deeply want and
truly believe in. It's not that most people are lazy, but they are very busy, and very tired. You do have to make this easy for them to start to get
As for no violence, etc., etc. --- all good points. Violence is just the WRONG direction to go. Put its most simply, who wants more violence? Nobody -
it's horrible - so just forget it right now. And as for things that are are politically divisive, that some of the 99% believe but a large proportion
disagree with? That's not right, how can you expect everyone to get behind goals if those are not their goals? Occupiers can have many beliefs, but
that doesn't have to dictate what Occupy is about... (for example, I'm strongly anti-nuclear, but that doesn't mean Occupy should be all about getting
rid of nuclear....lots of Occupiers disagree and think that nuclear is necessary...and that is their right! So rather than me pretending that 99%
agree with me and I should shove being anti-nuclear down everyone's throat and tell them that's what they believe, I know that's my own thing and not
the common goal of Occupy.) It's divisive and distracting to try to make it about an issue with which many of us don't agree.
We, the public, don't have to agree on all these things. The other issues are important and need to be addressed, but that doesn't mean that Occupy is
the place for it. OCCUPY CANNOT BE EVERYTHING TO EVERYONE. We do not agree on everything!
For Occupy to make sense, the majority of us just have to agree on SOME things, and hey --- we do. If this is going to be about the 99%, it should be
what most people agree with. Let's keep it to that. Not very many people will tell you that they want MORE corruption and money in politics, so let's
stick to concrete goals around things like reducing that. Let's AVOID anything that lets people drag this down into a "Dems vs. Reps" issue, which
just tears Occupy apart and weakens the chance of any positive change happening. Occupy shouldn't be about Dems or Reps. Nobody should feel like they
are betraying their political stance to be a part of Occupy. They can be an Obama, Ron Paul, Tea Party supporter, or anything else, it really doesn't
matter, the point is that we ALL agree: We need to do something about the money and corruption in politics, such as preventing corporations from being
able to buy who is elected.
Occupy shouldn't be about trying to convert anyone to "vote X," it's something else outside of that closed paradigm. It's something that unites us,
despite our differences. We'll never all be the same. But there are some things we all pretty much agree on. And the only reason they haven't happened
yet, is because we haven't demanded it. We've been too busy squabbling about the things we disagree about, and meanwhile, greedy, conniving people
have taken advantage of all the confusion and noise to get in position to give us all a royal screwing. Our differences be damned, it's time to rip
these sneaky little ultra-leeches off. Think about a whole big family getting together, despite all their disagreements, and working together to do
what has to be done for the well-being of the whole family. They'll never agree, on many things. But they're a family, and they can put those
differences aside temporarily to work together when they need to. It's exactly like that.
edit on 21-12-2011 by OceanGeek because: grammar