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The Occupation has Failed

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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by sonnny1
 
I came across this article just now, I hope you and others will take some time to read it all. It's a good unbiased report (good and bad in my opinion) about DC. wired.com


Nice, this is always happens too in these threads, argue with every single one of my posts but if I stick some facts in there and ask for them to be read, that post is magically ignored.




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:35 AM
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I "i"
am "am"

Tickled "tickled"

Speachless "speachless"

B-)

These "useful idiots" are quite welcome to go and join their comrades they put in power over in egypt.
Things seem to he going quite well there LOL!



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:40 AM
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Yeah...
It's quite hilarious that nearly 3,000 people have died in 2 months fighting for their freedom.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by StarPeace
 


The Occupation has succeeded in ways you will never know.
Isn't this more of a rant?

No star, no flag for disparaging people who at least tried to effect change.


edit on 21-12-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)


LMAO, we will never know how it succeeded because it failed miserably. Where are they now? Who is listening to them now? How many of them got Xmas part time work and decided to "F" the movement?

LOL, we all knew this unorganized bunch of haters would fail. Now the 1% are laughing. Great work OWS. Thanks for nothing! LMAO.

They didn't fight freedom btw, they fought against the rich and the rich ignored them.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Your right! They are totally seperate. One shows mature people taking a stand ( Tea Party )
and the other shows a bunch of brats crying, complaining and fighting that they didnt get their way (OWS)



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:27 AM
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I couldn't of said it better myself. Those people are so entangled in their own life they can't see their rights floating away little by little.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Oh I don't know, fail is such a ring of finality. Lets wait and see how far the ripples go from the epicenter.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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Those occutards (as we like to call them) have essentially begged for more government, and pretend like they are offering us something that won't become even more corrupt than what we've got. I bet anonymous was loving the idea of a "direct democracy computer". I bet you the rich were loving the idea of a robin hood tax (bet the government liked that idea too, only idiots beg for more tax -- only the government I am referring to is united nations world government as that's who would be funded by this tax). I was getting really weirded out when the system appeared to be negotiating, the whole time I was expecting the system to stab them all in the back, and without fail the system eventually did when they took care of that popular support problem. The revolutionary spirit is still with us we are all still pissed at the government and the rich. Only I think the next go around the whole collectivist system is getting tossed. I can't wait for v2.0, I'll provide whatever resistance to their agenda I can because the people leftover in this movement ARE the original poli-sci leaders (generally speaking) and their shill buddies, along with the most braindead of all people, and then those silly communists who think free gifts are what makes this world go round. I like the principle of communism, only there always seems to be that issue with it killing millions everytime it is implemented and these places always turn into terrible dictatorial police states. Democracy got a better kick at the can but alas even that is a failure. Individualism is best. That's why I changed my occupy group (the one the occutards didn't like because it usurped all of their people away) name to "individualism vs. collectivism". To express what this battle really is all about. A previous poster commented about that sort of stuff and it's good to see that, we need to be greedy and keep what is best for the individual a core staple of existence on this planet. Individuals need the chance to get a solid foundation before they bother saving the planet. Collectivism is totally failboat when it comes to that. Collectivism only works for the people if voluntary consent is how it is brought about -- which is never the case, all government on this planet is hardly anything other than rule by force. Some are more blatant about it than others.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 08:48 AM
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan

The Occupation has Failed

I think that's a fair statement. It is pretty much over. I know some folks say it'll wake up in the spring. But I really don't see it. America has moved on. OWS never really spoke for 99% of Americans, even though it claimed to. It's over. Started out good ... but epic fail.


What it lacked that successful movements had was a clearly defined and achievable target. When asked what they stood for, everyone had different gripes.

Back in the sixties, the movements that succeeded (like the Civil Rights movement) had VERY clearly defined sound bites and a clear target: Blacks and other minorities should have access to the same jobs, the same restaurants, the same housing, the same medical care, the same justice system as Whites.

Let's say the target had been "cap bank executive salaries" or "end subprime lending practices" or "campaign reform" or any of their other single statements, they would have had a very good chance -- particularly if it addressed one target and called for a well defined action (get rid of a particular executive who had numerous lawsuits against him.)

If it is ever to succeed, it needs to stop and learn to define vague and multiple goals and crystallize them into a single, doable action -- and then move on to another doable action and so on and so forth.

(analysis: they're actually dealing with a superwicked problem, and they are throwing a thousand and one tame answers at it and none of that will work. It takes slicing the problem into doable bits and correcting those to move a superwicked problem to a more manageable one. They don't have the insight to fix this, and frankly if they go after a single target, those who aren't dissatisfied with the target will melt away.)



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:35 AM
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Originally posted by detachedindividual

Originally posted by SLAYER69
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But here is the Difference.

You wont find too many ATS Tea Party supporters bending over backwards in a near Superhuman contortionist maneuver in an attempt to Justify, Deny and or make excuses for their actions or activities like you do by ATS OWS supporters for all the Communists and others etc etc etc who show up at OWS protests.

Now do you?


No, because, surprisingly, having various political ideals and perceptions is not illegal, like calling for assassination. Believing in another political system is not akin to calling for the death of a president.
OWS supports free discussion, about legal subjects. Last time I checked, believing in communism, capitalism, fascism, or any other poxy ism wasn't ILLEGAL.

This place truly astounds me sometimes.
And we wonder why ATS is mocked? With people who on the one hand scram about their right to believe what they want to believe, while calling for the oppression of people who believe in differing political systems to them.

Hypocrites.


I just can't help wondering why some here at ATS cannot see, after given tons of evidence of the fingerprint of Soros and company all over this movement, who is behind all this. After being shown the organization by Adbusters, known for it's anti-Capitalist stance(that should have been an immediate giveaway) complete with the involvement of Estonian communists(and also being a Canadian based group not even USA, plus Ruckus Society involvement(that's Tides for sure which means Soros), plus Nancy Pelosi and Obama and Soros explicit support openly for OWS, plus the CPUSA boots on the ground with signs of support, plus the neo-Nazis boots on the ground with open statements of support, plus people in the parks literally holding signs to "End Capitalism"....
That should all be a freakin giveaway that you and others who support OWS are willfully ignoring or you think it's just fine because you do not know enough about communism and the Intl Socialist movement to realize what is happening.
Oh yah I almost forgot, they also have the support of the infamous leader if the mafia-like Teamsters Union Jimmy Hoffa and if you heard his statements on it, you should know what this is about.
SEIU also supports them. Acorn supports them.
What more proof do you need that they are part of the Obama communist establishment?

Oh yes, and their list of demands is remarkably similar to the Democrat platform and agenda being carried out by the current POTUS and admin.
Plus proponents of the movement are now calling for nationalizing the Fed, which is far different from the Ron Paul End the Fed campaign. It is rather more institutionalizing the Fed as an official operation of the State. Statists love this kind of thing and it gives the State more power.
OWS people want more Statism, more govt intervention, more entitlements(what with the demand to forgive all their student debts).
Only one demand even relates to Wall Street, and that is the demand for Glass Steagall to come back, and that isn't even the entire reason for the debasing of our economy.
They somehow overlook the lack of real govt oversight by those who were in charge, namely Barney Frank. He told Congress Fannie/Freddie was fine. And he got funds from them too. Where is OWS demanding his resignation? He already sees the handwriting but not because of OWS but the Tea Party.
They tried to precipitate a bank run with that little shenanigan in November.
They are calling for a new ERA this time expanded probably for other things besides women's rights, they have included all gender issues. ERA failed in Congress several times and they are trying to resurrect it. And what does it have to do with Wall Street? Nothing. It's just a worn out old radical feminist rights movement that would have forced women into battle on the front, but with a new twist likely to affect other gender issues on a serious level.
Then there's the whole "direct democracy" thing. This is perhaps one of the most diabolical aspects of this whole thing, because they pretend they are an unorganized grassroots movement but somehow they are all backing direct democracy and participatory democracy which would have far reaching impact on how things are done in govt and the courts, and it's part of the move to establish a socialist democratic govt in place of our Constitutional Republic. Does DSA mean anything to you?
Participatory democracy is a branch related to anticipatory democracy and promoted by Toffler, who wrote Future Shock by the way.


Here''s an original documentary about Future Shock, which you may have seen in High School as I did, that filled everyone's heads with ideas of a plastic society. It's just one out of five but you can find the rest on YouTube.


The Participatory democracy form is considered "left" even by wikipedia


Deliberative, anticipatory and bioregional approaches can all be considered variants of participatory democracy with different thresholds of ease of participation, burden of proof, concern for non-human life or future generations, and reflection of participants' tolerances versus preferences or ideals of truth. Sometimes a deliberative model is described as more "left" and an anticipatory model as more "right". Those who wish to avoid this debate and see merits to both approaches, e.g. Greens, usually prefer the generic term "participatory democracy". This term has become fundamental to green politics itself.

en.wikipedia.org...


So you see, this isn't just a spontaneous grassroots anger about some Wall Street brokers, it is an organized leftist radical movement with a number of radical elements.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:36 AM
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Of course it failed. It never had a chance! They REAL people behind this pathetic excuse for a revolution planned it all along. Now we all KNOW that we cannot make chance... Be it peaceful, or violent.

This is something that I wrote about back in November:

OWS, GO HOME!!

Give it a look, and tell me I was wrong.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:44 AM
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Some of you need to understand and accept that just because you say something doesn't make it true. But, I suppose that Faux News does need some viewers.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah,blah, blah, same old blah, blah,.

Tired of this yet?

ATS, maybe we can combine these useless threads into one big sand pit in which we can all stick our collective heads and pretend that the Occupy movement is actually gone forever??? It's getting very, very old. Especially for those of us involved in the process on a weekly basis. We, at least here in SLC, are tired of talking and are taking action on some very fundamental levels while the rest of Amerika stuffs on candy, cake and football.

Just keep sleepin and posting absolute nonsense...

Perhaps that smell is ignorance...might wanna get off the couch and wash your bits...



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Why do you do that? You base your responses around technicalities when they suit you, a part of my post didn't include OWS... have you seen half your posts on this thread, some with not even a word relating to OWS.

I stated that Iraq was about corporation profits and you chose an opposing view defending. You make jokes and go off thread topic constantly but it's not a problem until you point it out in someone else.

It's like arguing with a teenager who isn't mature enough to acknowledge their own mistakes, but they will certainly point out other peoples'

Our government is actively seeking a war with Iran, our government is hell bent on crashing the economy, all you want to do is sit on an internet website and collect stars from your loyal internet fans...

OWS are the only people doing something.
edit on 12/22/2011 by Drezden because: grammatical


This is a conspiracy theory website, you do not believe in any conspiracies that I can see. You discuss government corruption which is just a fact of life. You also deeply engage in the right vs left distraction that has this country trapped in a downward spiral where people are too busy being divided to actually come together over the government corruption. This is working great for the people in charge.. if they can paint OWS as a far left wing group, then republicans won't want to get involved and actually pose a threat to the corruption. I've also seen you make fun of 9/11 conspiracies. This might as well be a republican message board to you.
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by Drezden
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Why do you do that? You base your responses around technicalities when they suit you, a part of my post didn't include OWS... have you seen half your posts on this thread, some with not even a word relating to OWS.

I stated that Iraq was about corporation profits and you chose an opposing view defending. You make jokes and go off thread topic constantly but it's not a problem until you point it out in someone else.

It's like arguing with a teenager who isn't mature enough to acknowledge their own mistakes, but they will certainly point out other peoples'

Our government is actively seeking a war with Iran, our government is hell bent on crashing the economy, all you want to do is sit on an internet website and collect stars from your loyal internet fans...

OWS is the only people doing something.


Agreed.
S 1867 / HS 1540 passed with a giant majority, bail outs continue, MF Global set dangerous precedence by confiscating personal accounts, Europe is imploding, there are US boots on the ground in Louisiana under fed direction, FEMA is soliciting RFP work for camps nationwide and Obama is on a $4million dollar all expense tax payer paid vacation in the islands. Has anyone noticed that oil is at an all time high while gas at the pumpis actually dropping....? Economists are virtually yelling that a bank holiday will certainly follow the holidays, that a war with Iraq will happen with overwhelming government support and threaten to drag China and Russia, with their Satan missles, into the nuclear fray. Has anyone considered that Isreal is being set up to fail and will not enjoy our support after the petrodollar has crapped out?

OWS is talking about these very issues. Occupy is active and getting ready for a collapse. Group building, Resource building. Networking. The movement has established a good working social matrix that exists outside of technology and geographic limitation. The Quakers are involved and continue to teach consensus theory in the movement. Supplies are abundant and methods are being refined.

Things are about to hit the fan and we are very, very aware of this. We are ready in many aspects and continue to prepare in many more. How are your survival skills? Gonna hunker down? Hope that works for you. If not, there will be a survival community in place. OWS failed? Nope, just got real and decided not to work inside the system anymore.

Case and point, the new Republican "system" that messes with the election. Do you really think they will allow Ron paul to win? He would be awesome, but it just wont happen under their new rules. They can't have actual democratic input now, right?

It's time to understand that we are standing on the brink of a nuclear battle that could kill most of us off. It is time to realize that we have entered a national phase dominated by fascist miltarism in which all of us are subject to "terrorist" treatment and incarceration. We need to fight this, or Orwells future is upon us. Occupy isgetting ready for a fight and is keeping the issues in front of the publics face, like it or not.

As for the Tea Party...CO-OPTED!!!! They are going to sink the Paul vote, you just watch.... Adults? maybe, but supporting Palin? Really? Talk about "over".
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:01 AM
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How can a movement 'fail' if they don't have a clear goal?

Then again, how can they succeed?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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So, what, you want to get rid of football now? A harmless pasttime ( I myself do not partake of ) that employs many people and feeds their families.
Throw away your computer and your iphone before you demand others give up what is important to them.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Well to be fair, OWS has proven they can hunker down in tents in public places and defacate on police cars when they can't find a public toilet. They proved they don't know enough about camping out that they die in propane exposure. Great survival skills, depending on donations from the Internet for Starbucks and Pizza.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by avatar01
How can a movement 'fail' if they don't have a clear goal?

Then again, how can they succeed?


Where have you been?






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