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The Occupation has Failed

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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:49 AM
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reply to post by XPLodER
 


oh, wait a minute. is that "dylan from msnbc"?




posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 04:59 AM
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I am glad that it failed.. this movement was a fake orchestrated by the government.

The ridiculous stunts pulled by ows also corresponds to getting us to be skeptical of future revolutions -- the government wins because more people will expect the next to fail in more or less the same way. Or perhaps people will think about it and figure out what messages the ows groups got wrong.

Such as collectivism. You can't replace one form for another and expect that the individual will be of any important in either version. Plus their version of collectivism was even worse than the failing one currently being offered by government.

They claimed transparency, but weren't really. They claim no leaders, but there are leaders we dubbed them "fashillitators", and they appeared to be leaders because it was always the same faces stepping up there, being aired on tv for interviews, deciding what gets tabled for votes, etc.

They occupied the most useless land. So the homeless have moved on to parks, good I say. Grow some hemp and make hempcrete bunkers for yourselves, you've got plenty of time and you can occupy some land that'll do you some good. You are tenting there anyways, and the government likes to destroy tents, but can a government argue if you make yourself a home that is hidden under a lawn? I hate ows for it's inability to think out of the box and be creative.

The decolonization agenda is what the united nations wants. Plus it solves none of the more immediate problems, if we decolonized this world would still be screwed sideways. So it had no business being on the list of the demands by the 99% nor did it have any business being part of any solution, because the solution does not require it right away. It is an issue that can be discussed later. This turned a tonne of people off of the movement and was probably the deal breaker that ensured this movement would be dead. Expect fewer people in the spring to show up, there is no v2.0.

Now I am waiting for the real revolution, and if one comes along and I see something messed and a bunch of people trying to avoid the important questions, I will work everyday all day hard trying to destroy that revolution as well. I will only tolerate a true revolution, not this twisted crap that won't get us a thing in the end.

I have been dropping the idea around. The next revolution should be "freedom town". Occupy crown land, build a hempcrete bunker, live off the grid and underground. The parasite shrivels and dies when it has no workers, these chicken necked jerks in charge are too incompetent to survive on their own. Without us doing everything for them, they would die within a few months. The only thing they are good at is manipulating the masses into playing along with their sick, malthusian ideas.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:08 AM
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Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by queenofsheba

Originally posted by aaron2209
Read up to Page 3 and realised this threads potential. Nothing. Same opinions by the same people just patting themselves on the back in an attempt to convince themselves it's all over.


What's all over? The OWS movement that never represented me? You know what? When I want my voice to be heard, it's gonna be heard; quite clearly and loudly. No one wants to pat themselves on the back when that time comes.


Who said they were representing you? Not another misunderstanding of the 99% concept I hope.


Alright. Since this is the second or third time I've seen this nonsense in this thread, I'm calling it.

There is NO "misunderstanding of the 99% concept". You don't get to spin out of it, and here's why: I was told, point blank, no ambiguity, by a member of OWS - actually, one of the "organizers", or "directors" or "not-leaders" or whatever it is they call themselves - that since I was not in "the 1%", then by default I was in "the 99%", and that OWS represented ME.

I made it as clear to him as I possibly could that OWS doers NOT represent me, regardless of which percentile I fell into.

There is no "misunderstanding". You don't get to spin out of it or redefine meanings in mid-stream. It's crystal clear, and even if it weren't it has been explained over and over what it means.

It means the same now as it did when it was invented.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by StarPeace
 


The Occupation has succeeded in ways you will never know.


Pssst! If we'll "never know" of these alleged successes, just how successful WERE they, really?



No star, no flag for disparaging people who at least tried to effect change.



"trying to effect change" implies some sort of action - that's what TRYING implies. It goes beyond mere drum-beating.

They tried to get attention, and absolutely nothing more. Instead of the "me" generation, they are the "look at me!" generation.



...And what pray tell ...generation are you?


I'm one of those ancient, over the hill, has-been, baby-boomers.

You know, the guys who whooped Marxism the first time, just so that it could resurrect and our kids would have to fight it closer to home the next time.

It's ok, though. I'm not so old, my eyes are not so rheumy, that I won't be able to see the sights to aim when they come for me, as has been promised already in this very thread.

I'd imagine my kids will be too busy with their own little wars to waste time bailing out the old man, so I'll just have to do it myself, as I always have.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:31 AM
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Originally posted by XPLodER
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i have a question,
if OWS has no message, or that you dont know what it is,
how can you claim failure?

anyone?

xp


The lack of a message - or, more properly, the jumbled cacophany of far too many messages - is in itself a failure. With that cacophany, there is no focus, and with no focus, the results - if any - will be too blurry for any practical use.

Failure.

This is why they will have to come out swinging harder in the spring, just to have any effect at all. that doesn't bode well for America. I can't say how it will affect the other countries that Occupations are present in.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:54 AM
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I would disagree. In my opinion the OWS movement has succeed in many ways. them most important is that now the discussion in American and the world has changes. The movement is really just beginning



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 05:55 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by StarPeace
 


The Occupation has succeeded in ways you will never know.


Pssst! If we'll "never know" of these alleged successes, just how successful WERE they, really?



No star, no flag for disparaging people who at least tried to effect change.



"trying to effect change" implies some sort of action - that's what TRYING implies. It goes beyond mere drum-beating.

They tried to get attention, and absolutely nothing more. Instead of the "me" generation, they are the "look at me!" generation.



...And what pray tell ...generation are you?


I'm one of those ancient, over the hill, has-been, baby-boomers.

You know, the guys who whooped Marxism the first time, just so that it could resurrect and our kids would have to fight it closer to home the next time.

It's ok, though. I'm not so old, my eyes are not so rheumy, that I won't be able to see the sights to aim when they come for me, as has been promised already in this very thread.

I'd imagine my kids will be too busy with their own little wars to waste time bailing out the old man, so I'll just have to do it myself, as I always have.

Oh you mean the same generation that has destroyed our political and economic system. very nice props



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by dron020

Oh you mean the same generation that has destroyed our political and economic system. very nice props



Thank you. I try to do my part.

It's OK, Bubba, Since I'm not in the 1%, I have been assured by OWS that I am represented by them as a full, paid-up, in good standing member of the 99%.

No, I didn't wreck either your economic or political system. I've rarely ever dabbled in the economic system, and hardly ever in the political one, either, until I caught the youngsters trying to drive it of the rails because they couldn't recall what life was like living under socialist guns.

Not here, not on my watch. You're better off waiting on me to die of old age before making your move.

Otherwise, you're gonna have to kill me. Won't you feel bad offing a feeble old man?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:12 AM
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Obama and Geithner: Government, Enron-Style

POSTED: December 20, 10:06 AM ET



...on December 6, [Obama] said, "Too often, we've seen Wall Street firms violating major anti-fraud laws because the penalties are too weak and there's no price for being a repeat offender." Just five days later on 60 Minutes, he said, "Some of the least ethical behavior on Wall Street wasn't illegal." Which is it? Have there been no prosecutions because Wall Street acted legally (albeit unethically)?...
The President is confusing "legal" with "difficult to prosecute successfully."

The notion that what Wall Street firms did was merely unethical and not illegal is not just mistaken but preposterous: most everyone who works in the financial services industry understands that fraud right now is not just pervasive but epidemic, with many of the biggest banks committing entire departments to the routine commission of fraud and perjury...


Read more: www.rollingstone.com...

 



at a certain street level...one could say that the Occupy movement failed or at least burned itself out


but...my thinking is that...up until at least the 2012 election, that Øbama will keep acting the way he is doing in the linked article above....

see, he wants his estimated $1Billion reelection campaign war chest... having attained that milestone he will then allow the oversight Agencies and the Justice Department to take legal action against those Elitists on Wall Street/// to at least half-way restore confidence in the USAs financial system and Markets


by 2013 the culprits on Wall Street will be faded from the immediate memory of the degree of financial destruction these financial terrorists caused... but the belated act of prosecution will be mildly received by all interested parties..too little--too late will be the legacy , because all those big campaign bucks came from those who were: Too-Big-to-jail @ the time



Occupy, in it's diluted way, helped to bring at least a microscope view to the Wall Street Fraud...
it just became a matter of prudence, to when the Administration should punish the wrongdoers

edit on 22-12-2011 by St Udio because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:19 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dron020

Oh you mean the same generation that has destroyed our political and economic system. very nice props



Thank you. I try to do my part.

It's OK, Bubba, Since I'm not in the 1%, I have been assured by OWS that I am represented by them as a full, paid-up, in good standing member of the 99%.

No, I didn't wreck either your economic or political system. I've rarely ever dabbled in the economic system, and hardly ever in the political one, either, until I caught the youngsters trying to drive it of the rails because they couldn't recall what life was like living under socialist guns.

Not here, not on my watch. You're better off waiting on me to die of old age before making your move.

Otherwise, you're gonna have to kill me. Won't you feel bad offing a feeble old man?


I would never harm anybody I love all my fellow men and women. I assure you that a lot of people in OWS don't want to live under a socialist nor a what ever we have now. I respect my elders and I just want to see change



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:21 AM
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Originally posted by St Udio
Obama and Geithner: Government, Enron-Style

POSTED: December 20, 10:06 AM ET



...on December 6, [Obama] said, "Too often, we've seen Wall Street firms violating major anti-fraud laws because the penalties are too weak and there's no price for being a repeat offender." Just five days later on 60 Minutes, he said, "Some of the least ethical behavior on Wall Street wasn't illegal." Which is it? Have there been no prosecutions because Wall Street acted legally (albeit unethically)?...
The President is confusing "legal" with "difficult to prosecute successfully."

The notion that what Wall Street firms did was merely unethical and not illegal is not just mistaken but preposterous: most everyone who works in the financial services industry understands that fraud right now is not just pervasive but epidemic, with many of the biggest banks committing entire departments to the routine commission of fraud and perjury...


Read more: www.rollingstone.com...

 



at a certain street level...one could say that the Occupy movement failed or at least burned itself out


but...my thinking is that...up until at least the 2012 election, that Øbama will keep acting the way he is doing in the linked article above....

see, he wants his estimated $1Billion reelection campaign war chest... having attained that milestone he will then allow the oversight Agencies and the Justice Department to take legal action against those Elitists on Wall Street/// to at least half-way restore confidence in the USAs financial system and Markets


by 2013 the culprits on Wall Street will be faded from the immediate memory of the degree of financial destruction these financial terrorists caused... but the belated act of prosecution will be mildly received by all interested parties..too little--too late will be the legacy , because all those big campaign bucks came from those who were: Too-Big-to-jail @ the time



Occupy, in it's diluted way, helped to bring at least a microscope view to the Wall Street Fraud...
it just became a matter of prudence, to when the Administration should punish the wrongdoers

edit on 22-12-2011 by St Udio because: (no reason given)
Very good analyzes I have heard similar talk in New Age people



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:22 AM
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Occupy is a global phenomenon which probably began through the Arab Spring and not in Wall Street. And it continues in many countries because food and oil prices remain high.

And social unrest worldwide will grow worse as food and oil prices remain high.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:35 AM
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Unfortunately I don't believe we've seen the last of it given that Rothschild agent Soros and the Lucis Trust are behind it. They'll keep on pumping money into it and create chaos in the USA.

I do hope it fails, but I doubt it will



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Originally posted by TheLastStand
I am glad that it failed.. this movement was a fake orchestrated by the government.

The ridiculous stunts pulled by ows also corresponds to getting us to be skeptical of future revolutions -- the government wins because more people will expect the next to fail in more or less the same way. Or perhaps people will think about it and figure out what messages the ows groups got wrong.

Such as collectivism. You can't replace one form for another and expect that the individual will be of any important in either version. Plus their version of collectivism was even worse than the failing one currently being offered by government.

They claimed transparency, but weren't really. They claim no leaders, but there are leaders we dubbed them "fashillitators", and they appeared to be leaders because it was always the same faces stepping up there, being aired on tv for interviews, deciding what gets tabled for votes, etc.

They occupied the most useless land. So the homeless have moved on to parks, good I say. Grow some hemp and make hempcrete bunkers for yourselves, you've got plenty of time and you can occupy some land that'll do you some good. You are tenting there anyways, and the government likes to destroy tents, but can a government argue if you make yourself a home that is hidden under a lawn? I hate ows for it's inability to think out of the box and be creative.

The decolonization agenda is what the united nations wants. Plus it solves none of the more immediate problems, if we decolonized this world would still be screwed sideways. So it had no business being on the list of the demands by the 99% nor did it have any business being part of any solution, because the solution does not require it right away. It is an issue that can be discussed later. This turned a tonne of people off of the movement and was probably the deal breaker that ensured this movement would be dead. Expect fewer people in the spring to show up, there is no v2.0.

Now I am waiting for the real revolution, and if one comes along and I see something messed and a bunch of people trying to avoid the important questions, I will work everyday all day hard trying to destroy that revolution as well. I will only tolerate a true revolution, not this twisted crap that won't get us a thing in the end.

I have been dropping the idea around. The next revolution should be "freedom town". Occupy crown land, build a hempcrete bunker, live off the grid and underground. The parasite shrivels and dies when it has no workers, these chicken necked jerks in charge are too incompetent to survive on their own. Without us doing everything for them, they would die within a few months. The only thing they are good at is manipulating the masses into playing along with their sick, malthusian ideas.


Great post, it's good to see people who know what's really going on



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:45 AM
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Originally posted by dron020
I would never harm anybody I love all my fellow men and women. I assure you that a lot of people in OWS don't want to live under a socialist nor a what ever we have now. I respect my elders and I just want to see change


Thank you for not advocating killing me. It so ruins my whole day every time I get killed.

As near as I can tell, what we have now is some form of accelerating fascism, which is "socialism for right wingers". It all started with claims of a "democracy" where none existed or was wanted, and went down hill from there.

In the same way, calls for "democracy" from OWS will eventually slide off the edge to the left hand form of socialism. they key to both is to realize that they are BOTH forms of collectivism. They only difference is who calls the shots from the top of the heap in Central Planning.

Both devolve into totalitarian police states. that is virtually required by the central planning and control aspects of any collectivist system. They have to have a control mechanism in place to make the prole drones do the bidding of the State and toe the mark of the Central Planners, whether those planners sit to the right or the left.

Kill the beast. Shrink the government back into manageable boundaries, and promote individualism over collectivism! Doing so moderates ALL of the animals on this farm. If government is returned to manageable proportions, Wall Street loses their bribe powers over big government as well - it doesn't exist to be bribed any more, and doesn't have the power to affect the rest of us to the extent the bribes pay for.

If there's anything rich folks hate, it's giving up money for nothing - refusing to do so is how they stay rich after they GET rich.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 06:55 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dron020
I would never harm anybody I love all my fellow men and women. I assure you that a lot of people in OWS don't want to live under a socialist nor a what ever we have now. I respect my elders and I just want to see change


Thank you for not advocating killing me. It so ruins my whole day every time I get killed.

As near as I can tell, what we have now is some form of accelerating fascism, which is "socialism for right wingers". It all started with claims of a "democracy" where none existed or was wanted, and went down hill from there.

In the same way, calls for "democracy" from OWS will eventually slide off the edge to the left hand form of socialism. they key to both is to realize that they are BOTH forms of collectivism. They only difference is who calls the shots from the top of the heap in Central Planning.

Both devolve into totalitarian police states. that is virtually required by the central planning and control aspects of any collectivist system. They have to have a control mechanism in place to make the prole drones do the bidding of the State and toe the mark of the Central Planners, whether those planners sit to the right or the left.

Kill the beast. Shrink the government back into manageable boundaries, and promote individualism over collectivism! Doing so moderates ALL of the animals on this farm. If government is returned to manageable proportions, Wall Street loses their bribe powers over big government as well - it doesn't exist to be bribed any more, and doesn't have the power to affect the rest of us to the extent the bribes pay for.

If there's anything rich folks hate, it's giving up money for nothing - refusing to do so is how they stay rich after they GET rich.


I see you're point on individualism. I think that both rthe Righs and the Lefts idea of big government is bad. But I say we need not only small government. We need smarter government ,
edit on 22-12-2011 by dron020 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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SO much qq in this thread!

The OP is correct, OWS failed, it failed hard, please pro-occupy people riddle me this -
what DID you accomplish?



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:22 AM
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Poor post by OP. Just like many posts on this site, there lacks factual evidence and it fails to see the larger picture. The impact this movement has had in the minds of the people is indisputable

People have assembled all across the Earth to express their outrage at the status quo. Their request is one of sweeping changes in government, international and personal relations, economy, and energy technology.

The people of the entire world have seen the true power and purpose of the internet, as a tool for finding common ground for societal progress. OWS is just the beginning of a vast and maybe unprecedented change in human consciousness.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:27 AM
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No Union involvement, No Communist Agenda, No Civil disobedience, No Advocating Violence, No Advocating Armed conflict, No more Destruction of Public and Private Property and No Occupation of Foreign Consulates.


I think you should move to China, from your post there, I think you'd be much more comfortable.

Unions are made up of workers, who happened to be americans, and pay taxes, some unions are crooked, most are not.

there is a communist party of america, made up of americans

no civil disobedience? how do you expect to petition your government? Send them letters and ask nicely? Civil disobedience as a form of protest IS CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED

How exactly does excluding scores of people make that group represent the 99% better?

It doesn't, it merely highlights your utter selfishness and ignorance.

See, this started as just masses of people all feeling that they were promised change, and instead, watched their country start to collapse while their tax dollars were used to bail out fraudulent assets from banks. As such, it's impossible to "exclude" anyone, and there is no actual "leadership" to speak of.

and there's a reason for that, jokers like you would love to have a single individual to smear, much like Paul, which made it harder for you guys seeing as there is no actual "leadership" there are indeed people organizing events and such, but this isn't a political action party like the Tea Party.

As I've said before, if you guys are so hell bent on protecting the corporations rights to screw you in the anus, start your own counter movement and hold protests demanding the government hand MORE of your money to the banks and restrict MORE of your rights.

honestly, the crap in most of your posts is the most unamerican garbage I've seen in a long time .



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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It will come back, stronger than ever.

Haters gonna hate!

Seems there are a lot of freedom and equality haters on ATS.



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