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The Occupation has Failed

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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:14 PM
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ok so lets talk numbers shall we?

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans have grown a bit more critical over the past month of the methods used by Occupy Wall Street protesters; however, their overall view of the movement and position on its goals have not changed. The majority of Americans, 53%, say they neither support nor oppose the movement, while supporters continue to slightly outnumber opponents.


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so 24% of people polled were in favour of OWS,
so lets extrapolate the numbers.

300 million americans
devided into 4 (approx 25%)
75 million americans support OWS

that is if the polls are acurite over a large scale

so three months and 24% overt support with 53 % neither for nor against
any one see these numbers

xploder




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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reply to post by sonnny1
 


What in your opinion are some unrealistic wants?



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER
reality cheak,
we have members on here who are very vocal about bush being reptilian,
dont mean the whole place thinks the same


How would one know what the True message is if everybody in the movement are all saying conflicting things. This happens with no leadership you know. One Advocating Communism and still the Others Government handouts etc etc etc.



are you really prepaired to smear OWS with anything to prove your opinion?


Asking hard hitting questions is not Smearing OWS. I think I may have hit a nerve. Being a little sensitive eh? Can't defend your stance so you go after another poster eh?


i see an ajenda here
demonize a movement
seen you do it to wiki
and now watchin you try with occupy.


Yeah I'm sure you do. Quick...Anybody under your bed or in the closet? Better check. This is a conspiracy site I have no doubt you're seeing Agendas



i wounder where your true loyalties lie.......


My Family and My Country.

I doubt you have ANY Loyalties.


xploder


John

edit on 21-12-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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reply to post by StarPeace
 


I think your missing the point. The protests were highly effective. Police became violent against revolutionary ideas because they were sponsored to be violent.

We are not going to get better in America if we don't disrupt the mainstream. I think the overworked union workers of the port were not mad about not going to work. In fact on record many port workers were happy to see actions. The port workers of oakland have been screwed numerous times by corrupt leadership.

Your attitude is much like the anti civil rights sentiment. I suggest you sit int he back of the bus and walk five miles to school because of the color of your skin. Maybe you'll change your tune real quick.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


ok so lets talk numbers shall we?

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans have grown a bit more critical over the past month of the methods used by Occupy Wall Street protesters; however, their overall view of the movement and position on its goals have not changed. The majority of Americans, 53%, say they neither support nor oppose the movement, while supporters continue to slightly outnumber opponents.


link to source

so 24% of people polled were in favour of OWS,
so lets extrapolate the numbers.

300 million americans
devided into 4 (approx 25%)
75 million americans support OWS

that is if the polls are acurite over a large scale

so three months and 24% overt support with 53 % neither for nor against
any one see these numbers

xploder




Occupy Wall Street activists have been claiming victory over the “narrative” recently, but according to a new USA Today/Gallup poll, most Americans are simply ignoring them:



The poll was taken during the weekend, which means that it took place after the Occupy “Day of Action” and multiple city evictions last week. The activists hoped the evictions would sway public sentiment in their favor, but in fact, the opposite happened. Disapproval of the movement jumped by 11 percent. The percentage of Americans who say they “don’t know enough to have an opinion” is even more striking. OWS has dominated the news, mainly because the protest campsites were magnets for reporters. Now that the movement has started getting evicted from the parks in major cities, the media attention will probably start to dry up as well. Activists will have a hard time keeping the protests relevant and in the news cycle, which means the 60 percent of Americans who say they aren’t familiar with the movement probably never will be.


Poll Shows Problems for Occupy Wall Street

November 21 poll BTW



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:19 PM
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Okay, fair enough Kali. You're the last one I want to tangle with directly over this. We've always respected each other across threads and chats here when we both supported Occupy and after I got back from Occupy STL and began to change my view to become an opposing viewpoint to Occupy. It's been nice to disagree without being disagreeable...and I'll go so far as to say my last message probably had a bit more edge to it than I really intended as a reply to you, in particular.

It's just so frustrating to have seen the movement start with public curiosity, evolve into public support and then devolve into public alienation. It was so preventable too. Occupy had JUST ENOUGH hot heads and people with ZERO judgement to pretty well harm the overall movement though. It was enough....

I'm still hoping I'm proven wrong in the Spring and while we're all here wondering just what, precisely, we've all watched happen here....Occupy is off in the various cities planning a major come back with the organization and WITHOUT the outright criminal element and STRONG Socialist overtones and themes it had the first go 'round. I'm not hopeful..in fact the chat I had with someone at Occupy STL this evening did more to depress me about the future of the movement than anything else...but I'm still holding a bit of hope.

If you can prove me and everyone else wrong, I'll personally be very grateful to BE wrong, just this once.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:20 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by XPLodER
 


And this has what to do with the thread topic?


thread topic is OWS fail,
the only thing i see is a smear campain against ows,
and the exact same diolage was used against wiki

i am drawing a conclusion on your posting style in these types of threads

i can keep showing you evidence ofn progress
and you will still resort to try to associate the movement to soros or anyone who will discreadit the movement

this thread bering no different

this on topic

xploder



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:22 PM
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Their motivation isn't altruistic, it's selfish in nature dressed in a false front "fighting for the 99%".


Explain how our motivation isn't altruistic. I'm actually pretty offended by that. That's something I don't even lob at the extreme right which I generally can't stand. People tend to do things because they are motivated to do so, most strongly by beliefs or by money.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:24 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
Poll Shows Problems for Occupy Wall Street

November 21 poll BTW


Are people now happy that majority of Americans are asleep or too busy watching TV to have an opinion on things happening in their own backyard?

I could have sworn that used to be a massive annoyance to a lot around here.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Drezden
I considered that you were born in 69, but the thought of a 42 year old who likes slayer enough to make it their username didn't cross my mind. I have slightly more respect for you.





Wait for it....





Nevermind, I just saw that you are still beating the public defecation drum earlier in the thread. You loose 2 points.



I'll try not to lose sleep over it.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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THIS THREAD IS DISINFORMATION/PROPAGANDA



THE LINK PROVIDED IS JUST AN ONLINE PROPOSAL FOR THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY IN NEW YORK. AS YOU CAN SEE BY THE COMMENTS ON THE ORIGINAL LINK, PEOPLE THINK IT'S STUPID/CRAZY/WRONG.

OWS is absolutely not dead, it's growing, and has had many successes in relatively short time. Like people who think that, because it's winter, global warming somehow isn't real... the same right-wing disinfo agents will tell us that, because it's winter, OWS gave up and failed. OCCUPY DENIERS ARE POORLY INFORMED IDIOTS OR PROPAGANDISTS JUST LIKE GLOBAL WARMING DENIERS.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:28 PM
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Who is this "their"?

How about mine?

I'm a disabled vet with a shattered mind and body and support the OWS movement because I swore to "defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and DOMESTIC."

The biggest threat I see is from the Globalist Banksters who are destroying our Constitution and economy!

OWS is not a "their", it is the population of our great nation standing up and saying this is bull!!!!!!!!!

Stop taking all our money and giving us the middle finger... the banks getting bailed out and we're getting sold out!
edit on 21-12-2011 by pianopraze because: clarification



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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It's a contradiction to some, I'm sure..but you can count me in the % that *DOES* support the concept and goals..in the limited way they've ever been articulated. Not the pie in the sky fantasy garbage of some Utopian vision of an America that will never be and never CAN be...but some of the real goals. For example... removing private funding from election campaigns *ENTIRELY*. I agree about working to stop seeing our leaders bought and paid for before we even get a vote on them.

I came to oppose Occupy because the camps themselves became havens for drugs, assaults, rapes and fugitives. Please don't tell me this wasn't happening. I'm not going by media stories. I lived at one and we had contact with others from there. I *SAW* this and WORKED the problems as safety committee while I was there. It absolutely was and IS going on..and the attitude to ignore or bury the problem is atrocious and unforgivable.

Yeah.. I get it.. Public Relations and community image for holding off police reaction is a fair concern....but not when it crosses into telling victims it didn't happen or talking them down from pushing the matter outside the camp. Not when it means covering up felony crimes in camp...and NOT when it means allowing people to steal from and abuse the movement for their own personal gain because they happen to have been there from day 1 and carry more influence than those who are sick of the crime.




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by XPLodER


How would one know what the True message is if everybody in the movement is all saying conflicting things. This happens with no leadership you know. One Advocating Communism and still the Others Government handouts etc etc etc.


because its a diverse group you are always going to get different opinions,
thing everybody involved gets is without wall street prosicutions the economy will not recover
DO YOU UNDERSTAND?


Asking hard hitting questions is not Smearing OWS. I think I may have hit a nerve. Being a little sensitive eh? Can't defend your stance so you go after another poster eh?


yes your lack of understanding of the situation is hitting a nerve,
you are willfully distorting the perseptoin of OWS
DENY IGNORENCE


Yeah I'm sure you do. Quick...Anybody under your bed or in the closet? Better check. This is a conspiracy site I have no doubt you're seeing Agendas


you ask for my opinions i share them,
are you sure that implying i am paranoid is any different than smearing me?


I doubt you have ANY Loyalties.


let me clear that up for you then,
i beleive in the rule of law
i beleive in working for the public interest,
i beleive that america is doomed with real prosicutions of wall street criminals

i am loyal to those who deserve a better life
xploder



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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Originally posted by aaron2209

Originally posted by sonnny1
Poll Shows Problems for Occupy Wall Street

November 21 poll BTW


Are people now happy that majority of Americans are asleep or too busy watching TV to have an opinion on things happening in their own backyard?



I will agree with that.

But if the message was something tangible,with real goals,not nifty slogans like "Eat the Rich" OWS might have had a better response. People are tired,but OWS didn't/hasn't given the MAJORITY of Americans something they can believe in. IF OWS would have been Occupy Washington DC,or Occupy the Capital,It would have been MILLIONS. Have you seen Congresses approval ratings ? That tells you were the majority believe the problems lay. If OWS would have gathered petitions to recall ALL of congress,or even the President,you would have seen this movement take shape.
edit on 21-12-2011 by sonnny1 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Thanks


Occupy isn't waiting til spring, they're still very active. The movement itself is social yes because well it's a section of society, so far at least in my opinion and I'm left of center so our perceptions will be different but...they/we aren't demanding communism or marxism etc. The banks, politicians and corporations enjoy socialism and wealth distribution/welfare on a grand scale to the tune of trillions of dollars, often fraudulently...while they jack up prices and fees and interest so that we the people can continue to support their gluttonous lifestyles with our tax dollars. I do happen to think fair is fair and if they got breaks so can we. Not permanently but maybe a one time shot.

But it's not as if that is where redress ends. Occupy stands for much more and you know this.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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Originally posted by NoHierarchy

THIS THREAD IS DISINFORMATION/PROPAGANDA




I disagree!

The OWS supporters have brought up some good points.

Not all of their replies have been propaganda.




edit on 21-12-2011 by SLAYER69 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:35 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69

Originally posted by NoHierarchy

THIS THREAD IS DISINFORMATION/PROPAGANDA




I disagree!

The OWS supporters have brought up some good points.

Not all of their replies has been propaganda.





Haha, you mean the right-wing trolls who flooded the comments?? Yeah right...




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Originally posted by SLAYER69
I'll try not to lose sleep over it.


No, I should think not.. you're already too busy loosing sleep over the heinous crime of public defecation that blights all public land surrounding OWS camps. What kind of sick and twisted socialist heathens would do such a thing? Where is the humanity!? Godlessness..

It's just like those U.S. troops who would defecate all over Iraqi front yards whenever their convoys stopped.

The U.S. military was fighting for corporations rights to plunder Iraq.. and most military men would view it as acceptable that they were defecating on Iraqi streets and residential areas.

Well OWS is fighting for the actual citizens and not the corporations.. so if a few of them can't find a bathroom that is fine.. especially when "few" is the key word. It's not an epidemic. Stop picking all these small things and stating them as if each individual thing is enough to condemn the whole of OWS and warrant the immediate end of it.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by XPLodER
 

It's a contradiction to some, I'm sure..but you can count me in the % that *DOES* support the concept and goals..in the limited way they've ever been articulated. Not the pie in the sky fantasy garbage of some Utopian vision of an America that will never be and never CAN be...but some of the real goals. For example... removing private funding from election campaigns *ENTIRELY*. I agree about working to stop seeing our leaders bought and paid for before we even get a vote on them.



middle ground......
i agree there is alot they can achivve


I came to oppose Occupy because the camps themselves became havens for drugs, assaults, rapes and fugitives. Please don't tell me this wasn't happening. I'm not going by media stories. I lived at one and we had contact with others from there. I *SAW* this and WORKED the problems as safety committee while I was there. It absolutely was and IS going on..and the attitude to ignore or bury the problem is atrocious and unforgivable.


crimes should ALWAYS be reported to the police,
even if it draws bad publicity


Yeah.. I get it.. Public Relations and community image for holding off police reaction is a fair concern....but not when it crosses into telling victims it didn't happen or talking them down from pushing the matter outside the camp. Not when it means covering up felony crimes in camp...and NOT when it means allowing people to steal from and abuse the movement for their own personal gain because they happen to have been there from day 1 and carry more influence than those who are sick of the crime.



i can only say this,
there are always trouble makers they should be delt to with the full force of law.
xploder



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