U.S.A. Regains Top Spot As Worlds Most Charitable Nation

Originally posted by ANOK

Originally posted by steveknows
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

But isn't tha ACT of charity based on the DEMAND for charity? I didn't see any measure regarding the demand.

That is a good point. I was thinking charity for other countries, but if it's local then that paints an even worse picture for America. It means it probably has a higher disparity in wealth, more haves and more have nots.

That way you have even less reasons to pat yourselves on the back eh? Another case of instead of fixing it, which you could being your OWN country, just throw money at it and think you've helped.

edit on 12/22/2011 by ANOK because: typo

It's not a case of bashing the U.S. I'm just wondering what the measure is as I couldn't see it stated in the links.

reply to post by FlyersFan


This is good news!

I would expect this much from the wonderful people of America.
I love the folks in this country...the government not so much, but
even at that, there are open hearts in government service also.

Thanks for posting

reply to post by steveknows


Just to be clear, how fast would you say that any Middle Eastern, African, or South American Craft
responded to the Japanese Tsunami? What about Brazilian, Russian,Indian, or Chinese?

Show me your research, and I'll respect that. Then I will provide you with my data.

Maybe then we will both learn where the truth lives.

Either way, this is a good healthy argument, and I respect your point of view.

I could be in Iceland tomorrow, or maybe Bali. Yet I will still give credit where credit is due.

Originally posted by FlyersFan
You have a problem with the word 'officially'. They said that the US is officially at the top of their list. SO WHAT? It's their list, they put it out every year.

Every year ? It's the second year the CAF does this "study". A "study" based on 3 questions.

* Have you donated money to a charity in the past month ?
* Have you volunteered your time to a charity in the past month ?
* Have you helped a stranger or someone you didn't know who needed help ?

That is all. That's all what the "study" does. No, not only, after that, they correct the rough numbers as survey firms do
No money counts. No facts. A survey.
For all I know, the USA may be the most charitable nation in the world, this is not the point.

You have not even read the links you have posted.
You read the headline and it fit your biases. This is not an educated posting.

GAOTU789 : Liberia scored 81% at "helped a stranger", that is why they are poor and charitable.
Am I right in thinking that, from the articles, everyone believes it is about money donations or not ?

Apparently we were also recently found to be the "War Crimiest" nation in the world.. There wasn't a plaque though or anything so who cares, we'll kill those guys anyway

10 bucks says this recent news is due to Reddit's r/atheism subreddit. Haha.

Australia has been in the Top 5 for many years, we have been Number 1 for a few of them - yet you don't hear us crying out about how much we do for the world and wanting everyone to know.

We give because we want to, not to get on some bloody list and give ourselves a pat on the back.

This is correct. I enjoyed my stay in America. When I fell, people helped me up. When I was lost people guided me home. When I ate alone people came and gave me company. At least that was my experience in the US, which surprised me since Americans are supposedly "selfish individualists". I was used to mainland Europe where people prefer to keep their distance from you.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

I find it very surprising that far left leaning countries, even those with communist regimes, place so low on the scale. And Canada, where is Canada I thought they'd be somewhere in the top 5.

That is probably because they defer charity to a government function rather than take individual responsibility. That is how I see why countries with lots of governmental goodies don't seem as charitable on an individual level.

They will vote for a political party to take care of their neighbor, not take the individual initiative. At least that is how I've come to terms with my experiences.

Originally posted by Kryties
Australia has been in the Top 5 for many years, we have been Number 1 for a few of them - yet you don't hear us crying out about how much we do for the world and wanting everyone to know.

We give because we want to, not to get on some bloody list and give ourselves a pat on the back.

BINGO!

Though we don't feel the need for validation either. As I've said on other posts. It hasn't been said or done until it's been said or done in the U.S regardless of which country did it first.

Originally posted by Wildmanimal
reply to post by steveknows

 

Just to be clear, how fast would you say that any Middle Eastern, African, or South American Craft
responded to the Japanese Tsunami? What about Brazilian, Russian,Indian, or Chinese?

Show me your research, and I'll respect that. Then I will provide you with my data.

Maybe then we will both learn where the truth lives.

Either way, this is a good healthy argument, and I respect your point of view.

I could be in Iceland tomorrow, or maybe Bali. Yet I will still give credit where credit is due.

Yes thank you for listing the developed countries. Measuring yourself against cave dwelling arabs again are you? Hoorah! The U.S the one who blurted your smelly fart in the first place. Perhaps you can put the greenback where your mouth is and post some stats?

If you would like to check my posts I did say well done USA. In fact should you chose to look at all my post you will notice that I am among the first to bag the U.S when it's due and I am also the among the first to stick up for the U.S when it's due.

Originally posted by polarwarrior
So what you topped one giving index for a single year, big whoop

SOUR GRAPES. This measured giving by the citizens ... giving to local charities ... giving of charities outside their towns .. giving of time in volunteering ... and Americans regained the #1 spot this year. Guess what ... that means American citizens are CHARITABLE. Ya' just gotta' deal with it.

Originally posted by ANOK
Health care provided by the government,

No ... it's 'provided' by the taxpayer ... $$$ taken from those who earned it.

Socialism/communism is not free stuff from a government. No government is required.

OMG .. that is so funny ... and so wrong!
Communism is the ultimate nanny state.

Originally posted by ANOK
Typical of the wealthy to throw money at something, instead of actually doing, or changing, anything.

Did you even read the links? This isn't a story about where rich people put their money. It's about CITIZENS ... everyone .. how they are generous with what they've been given. Sounds like you are just jealous that people can earn a living and be generous at the same time. That flys in the face of your 'big bad capitalist' notion.

Your charitable contribution is not solving the problem. The problems are cause by the system people keep supporting.

Communism doesn't fix the system. Social libertarianism ... or whatever you want to call your political belief system .. doesn't fix the system. More people are poor and desperate under ultimate nanny states then are poor under capitalism and freedom.

Originally posted by Wildmanimal
I have said this before, everytime there is a natural disaster of sorts,
The United States is the first to show up with aid.

Very true. But you don't see ships laden with supplies showing up from oil rich Saudi Arabia or from communist China or (supposedly now socialist) Russia .. do you? It's always the 'big bad' USA taking the lead in relief efforts.

Originally posted by Ixtab
i have experienced U.S "charity" however it was in the form of IRA terrorist attacks against my country.

Not even close .... :shk: Read the article. Americans are charitable with their income and their time.
All you anti-Americans are just going to have to accept the fact that, overall, Americans are generous.

Originally posted by Kryties
We give because we want to, not to get on some bloody list and give ourselves a pat on the back.

Ditto for Americans. Americans aren't donating to Good Will, or volunteering at the local soup kitchen, so they can make the top of this list. For you to insinuate that .. it's rather silly. I'm sure most Americans haven't even heard of this list.

Islamic countries don't seem to be doing so well, considering how wealthy some of them are, I wonder why that is?
Perhaps they think 'let the stupid infedel spend all his money charity, then we wont have to'?
I often wonder why 'the west' gives money to countries that, underneath, hate the sight of westerners.

Originally posted by Wildmanimal
reply to post by steveknows

 

Thanks steveknows, this will not go unnoticed.
Your time in the spotlight will come.

Happy Holidays to you,yours, and All of The Good People of Australia!

Yes actual figures. Americas worst nightmare.

We still celebrate Christmas by the way, We don't call it happy holidays.

Originally posted by pikestaff
Islamic countries don't seem to be doing so well, considering how wealthy some of them are, I wonder why that is?
Perhaps they think 'let the stupid infedel spend all his money charity, then we wont have to'?
I often wonder why 'the west' gives money to countries that, underneath, hate the sight of westerners.

Your observation is good and true. But I believe it's like this, The west has a heap load of resources and we give them money and buy their stuff now and use their resources and spend big bucks worldwide. The west does actually plan for the future generations as where they plan and pocket the now. What will they do when they've nothing left and we've got the money and the resources?

Oh I'm sorry! Am I supposed to show sympathy for USA right now? Didn't think so...
"Most charitable nation" Yea... That's gonna make everything right, is it...

I also know something else in which USA is the most charitable nation in the planet...

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Kryties
We give because we want to, not to get on some bloody list and give ourselves a pat on the back.

Ditto for Americans. Americans aren't donating to Good Will, or volunteering at the local soup kitchen, so they can make the top of this list. For you to insinuate that .. it's rather silly. I'm sure most Americans haven't even heard of this list.

Then precisely what is the point of this thread then, if not to put America up on a pedestal and proclaim loudly to the world about how charitable you are?

Originally posted by Jepic

I also know something else in which USA is the most charitable nation in the planet...

They give away A LOT of metal, usually in the form of bullets and bombs......

Originally posted by Kryties
Then precisely what is the point of this thread then, if not to put America up on a pedestal and proclaim loudly to the world about how charitable you are?

I'm starting to feel really bad for you. :shk: I'm sure if this were a thread that was negative towards America you'd jump right on it. (to use your thinking - But what would be the point of THAT thread? ) Or is it just the positive threads about America that you have a irrational problem with?

Both the positive and the negative information discussed is just that ... iinformation.
If you want to cherry pick and only look at the negative .... then that's your problem.
The rest of us can handle both positive and negative ... whichever the information happens to be.