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The Famous and Infamous of Ufology

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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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There is truly only one source for UFO validation and that would come from the international military i.e. aviators and air forces that have encountered, chased and, in some cases, been killed in their attempts. These documented chases and sightings, hundreds on hundreds, that are now declassified have been thoroughly researched by Richard Dolan.

Outside of him, I know of no one else that isn't simply giving opinions...on opinions.

Richard Dolan




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
The trouble with this subject is money. Many so called UFO 'researchers' are just in it to make cash by selling books and doing lectures. No one wants to buy a book called 'UFO's dont exist' so most of the published or popular material on this subject is completely one sided.


Money? You can make MONEY for this? HOLY COW and I been doing this for FREE and still get called a nutcase? DANG... shoulda told me sooner...

OH and BTW Phil Plait and im Oberg sell :OTS of books debunking UFOs aliens and everything under the sun... how come no one bitches about them making money debunking the UFOlogists work?
Hmmm? Well? Yeah I see... one sided beef



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by SloAnPainful
Well as far as Ufologist go. Probally one of the most famous names out there is, Stanton Friedman. He has a degree in physics and also has a opinion on almost everything ufo like.


Stanton Friedman, according to his own biography is not a Dr. and dropped out of nuclear physics to make more money on the UFO circuit a few years after he left college. Ya have to wonder how a career in UFOlogy is more profitable than one in Nuclear Physics.

His main claim to fame is he debunks Bob Lazar on a regular basis (has a new version on his site) and says that "some UFO's are alien spacecraft, yet has no more hard evidence than anyone else in the field.. but sells more books, dvd's and lectures than the others because he once was a nuclear physicist.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
Hangzhou, Zhejiang, China - 2010
en.wikipedia.org...
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I'd say these were the most credible events simply because of the amount of eye-witnesses and confusion as to what the object's actually were, aswell as the media-attention both of these events recieved.


#1 and #2 are aircraft under long exposure...#3 is a Soyuz Rocket launching a Meridian Satellite... you see the stage separation. The actual UFO that shut down the Airport was a RADAR only sighting. This is the video Its a beautiful and normal rocket launch from Russia



here is another one that was called UFO

Progress M-03M (35P) launches to ISS


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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Not one sided at all. I dont begrudge anyone making money its just there is far far more money to be made saying UFO's do exist than there is by saying they dont exist because thats what people want to hear. Ive never heard of either of the people you mentioned which just proves my point.

You said yourself


Stanton Friedman, according to his own biography is not a Dr. and dropped out of nuclear physics to make more money on the UFO circuit a few years after he left college.


There may be a few professional skeptics that cover the subject of UFO's along with many other subjects but you would find it very difficult to make a living from just being a UFO skeptic compared to someone like Erich Von Daniken who is a multi millionaire from coming up with crazy stories that they do.


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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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www.abovetopsecret.com...
here's a good thread listing alot of the better case's of ufo's (well the first few pages).


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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
His main claim to fame is he debunks Bob Lazar on a regular basis (has a new version on his site) and says that "some UFO's are alien spacecraft, yet has no more hard evidence than anyone else in the field.. but sells more books, dvd's and lectures than the others because he once was a nuclear physicist.


I thought his main claim to fame was waiving a bunch of sweaty, blacked-out pages around at various conventions and implying that the blacked out areas used to contain proof positive of U.S. Government involvement with alien UFOs. I'm not quite sure how he could reach that conclusion, but there you go. He has always been a huge supporter of the ET hypothesis, which I assume he believes from getting insider info. But he has never come forward with the actual proof to back it up.

Yeah, Friedman is probably the top earner in the UFO field, but I don't think he makes a ton of money at it. Maybe Majestic-12 or whatever it's called these days has a nice pension.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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As a start on reliable sources, maybe consider the UFO Hall of Fame from UFO Watchdog.

UFO Hall of Fame

I'm not sure why she isn't on the list, but I would list journalist Leslie Kean as a good source.
Check out her book, "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials go on the Record" for one of the best recent books on the subject.

Leslie Kean book: UFOs ...

And from the same website, a long list of sources that many/most would consider to be suspect:

UFO Hall of Shame

There are lots of good sightings, although I think that the "noise to signal ratio" in recent years is climbing steeply due to a proliferation of hoaxes and simply bad videos posted onto You-Tube.

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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by lacrimosa
www.abovetopsecret.com...
here's a good thread listing alot of the better case's of ufo's (well the first few pages).


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Yes, that is a good list to start. Some that are missing:

Giant UFO in the Yukon
Gigantic UFO with over 30 witnesses

Coyne UFO Incident
Multiple US Army witnesses in close encounter in helicopter

Cash Landrum Incident
Women gets severe sickness after encountering flaming craft on Texas Highway, US Army coverup?

Japan Air Lines Encounter over Alaska
JAL flight crew encounters Giant UFO over Alaska



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 07:36 PM
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Originally posted by Blue Shift
But he has never come forward with the actual proof to back it up.


And THAt my friend just about sums it up for all of them


Here is my take... all these insiders and whistleblowers have a good story to tell at the beginning. The story is usually very good and believable because of a lot of detail, as one would expect with a story of someone who was there. But because it was secret, they cannot have any proof, because if they did they would be in violation of several oaths and laws and be charged with treason.

So all we have is the story.

Then as time goes on "We the People.." a fickle lot that always demands MORE... gets tired of the old good stories and wants their favorite insider to tell them about everything else on the internet. If they don't they lose their audience. In a recent ATS interview just look at the questions people asked Stanton... you will see my point...

So after awhile, to keep their audience coming back, they get UFO disease... where they support anything and everything, then even make stuff up, or go the route that Greer did and sell alien hunting trips for $1000.00 a pop and then flaunt his money..

And why not? Looking at posts at ATS you can see people are here mostly for the entertainment... very few give a dang about any truth... so why shouldn't these entertainers get paid just like anyone else does?

People say the 'truth' should be free... well the evening news and newspapers and magazines are not free, ATS is not free... someone pays the bills whether directly by buying a book or CD or by advertising.

Eventually these guys realize that their followers could care less about the truth, they just want to hear the stories so they might as well spice it up and make a buck.

Then on top of it shows like History Channel and Discovery interview people like Nassim Haramein and there ya go... toss all truth out the window.

People used to say "When the astronauts say so..." When top military people say so..." When CNN covers it..." then they will believe... "When its on official government websites..." then they will believe.

Well its been done... all of the above FBI, CIA, British MoD, NSA and more all have released files on their site (with a lot of black ink) Still they don't believe...

Why?

Because no one, not ONE since Roswell has one piece of hard evidence... all just stories



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Stanton Friedman, according to his own biography is not a Dr. and dropped out of nuclear physics to make more money on the UFO circuit a few years after he left college. Ya have to wonder how a career in UFOlogy is more profitable than one in Nuclear Physics.

His main claim to fame is he debunks Bob Lazar on a regular basis (has a new version on his site) and says that "some UFO's are alien spacecraft, yet has no more hard evidence than anyone else in the field.. but sells more books, dvd's and lectures than the others because he once was a nuclear physicist.


I pay no attention to Friedman, I haven't seen him research anything other than other peeps opinions. Could be wrong, he is one of the very few I haven't spent a great deal of time looking at.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Jacques Vallee and John Keel. Hands down. Both changed my entire perception on the subject and definitely opened my eyes to so many different possibilities. Articulate and credible people. Keel is an paranormal conspiratorial dream.

R.I.P. John Keel
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 08:09 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Looking at posts at ATS you can see people are here mostly for the entertainment.




Monkey brains.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 08:25 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon Because no one, not ONE since Roswell has one piece of hard evidence... all just stories


I don't consider Roswell anywhere near definitive, never seen any evidence that confirms much of anything. I believe Joseph Farrell has the strongest case re: Roswell spacecraft origin and that is it was Nazi/SS technology doing surveillance on the US nuclear program.
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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I found this pdf a couple years back that hit home with me. It's a long read but worth it.

It is a personal account of an Army Air Force nurse stationed in Roswell during the E.T. craft recovery in '47.

She wrote the account late in life making sure her experience would be available to all,damn the consequences.

Matilda O'Donnell



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:05 PM
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Read anything by Dr. James E. McDonald. He never wrote a book on the topic, but there is a lot of good stuff of his online.

J. Allen Hynek - Read "The UFO Experience" and/or "The Hynek UFO Report". I prefer the former.

Jacques Vallee - Read "Anatomy of a Phenomenon" and/or "Challenge to Science".

Terry Hanson - Wrote a really interesting book called "The Missing Times: News Media Complicity in the UFO Coverup". He's a journalist of some sort.

Leslie Kean - Last year released an above top notch book called "UFOs: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record". Of the 50 or so books I've read on the topic, this is in the top three.

Also check out "Clear Intent" by Lawrence Fawcett and Barry Greenwood. It was released a second time under a different title, which I can't recall. The book is based on FOIA documents released in the late '70s and early '80s.

Bernard Haisch - Has a web site, ufoskeptic.com, that is very well-thought out.

Richard Dolan - Wrote a couple really good, really big books on the topic. Pretty down to earth guy. Very intelligent and makes an excellent case for the reality of UFOs.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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I agree that Richard Dolan is a great choice for intro to the modern history. You should really read of James E. McDonald's research and history. I personally prefer the older cases simply because we can build some amazing things these days.
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:33 PM
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Richard Dolan, Stanton Friedman and Kevin Randle are three of the "good guys" in the field IMO

Steven Greer is a huge hoaxer and probably the worst of the entire lot.



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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You can use my signature as a good starting point. Take NO notice of anyone on it. Charlatans all!

IRM



posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 02:04 AM
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hah, I agree 100% with your sig



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