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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:28 PM
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The UK got political and military ( latest missiles) during the last Falklands war so I expect the support would be there. I figure this recent spat is really about the Argentine president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner trying to appeal to the more nationalistic members of her society.

Personally I'd consider cutting them in on the oil as they don't produce much and it never hurts to have an ally, maybe in exchange for an increase in trade agreements.

I don't really think the Argentinians would have much of a chance in a real confrontation, their military is basically useless for anything other than internal security.




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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I guess that makes it OK TO KILL.
WWI,WWII all the so called little wars,Balfour declaration
A bunch of land grabbing thieves



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by stewnafish
This is very interesting considering Britain has isolated itself from Europe over the catastrophe that is the Euro currency in the last fortnight. Seems to me (being very cynical), these south American countries have waited for an opportune moment to start causing trouble with the disputed sovereignty of the Falkland Islands and to pick a fight with Britain, thinking we have no support. It's very opportune also considering the tension between Britain and Germany at the moment, and lets face it, where did a large number of Nazis' seek refuge post WWII? South America of course, and in particular Argentina. We have also last week, sold our only operational aircraft carrier that could facilitate and protect a task force being sent to the Falkland Islands, and are reliant on sharing one with the French, who also hate the Brits and always have. IMO this situation will escalate in a rather nasty manner.
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Yup, i fully believe this current situation had arise due to the EU situation, with Argentina feeling Britain is more isolated then ever,

If that's the case, then they are very much mistaken,

We dealt with them alone before, and will again if need be... i hope that is not the case tho as it would be such a waste of good men for a stupid cause, ON THERE PART

We are far stronger military wise then back in the 1982 conflict, the same cannot be said about the Argies.. ok so there may have been cuts and the overall size of the forces is not as big as it was back then, but the fire power & technology sure is, the same cannot be said about the pesky rabble of nuts & bots Army/Air force/Navy of Argentina its pretty much the same technology with even poorer train troops, even with the support from Uruguay & Brazil they would still be sent packing, simply because it is an Island,

They need to fight there way across the ocean & sky first to take the Islands to which they would then meet thousands of well dug in battle hardened ground troops "the best in the world" i might add, the Royal Navy is more then capable of dealing with all of those Navy's & the RAF is also more capable of dealing with all of there Air Forces, of course this will come at a huge loss, but i have no doubt should that be the case, then British Government will respond as it did before,



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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I doubt Argentina wants the islands because of a need for space or because its heaven on earth......the common people probably just want money or something given to their economy, a portion of it.....the government over there is greedy and wants it all



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by newyorkee
the government over there is greedy and wants it all


Which one? This applies to both of them, equally.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:02 PM
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sorry.....Argentinian gov....not British....The brits did offer....that is true.....



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Monger
Tell that to the Irish who handed the British their rear ends on their way home.


Say, what? That never happened except in some "Irish-Americans" wet-dream...


Originally posted by stewnafish
This is very interesting considering Britain has isolated itself from Europe over the catastrophe that is the Euro currency in the last fortnight. Seems to me (being very cynical), these south American countries have waited for an opportune moment to start causing trouble with the disputed sovereignty of the Falkland Islands and to pick a fight with Britain, thinking we have no support.


Whilst we have had a small falling out with the French and Germans, we are hardly "isolated". We have long standing defence agreements with both and the French at least will back us up over the Falklands otherwise it sets a bad precident for them and Guyana....


Originally posted by stewnafish
It's very opportune also considering the tension between Britain and Germany at the moment, and lets face it, where did a large number of Nazis' seek refuge post WWII? South America of course, and in particular Argentina.


The "tension" you describe is just a very minor disagreement over economic policy, hardly the drums of war. Don't get all excited.


Originally posted by stewnafish
We have also last week, sold our only operational aircraft carrier that could facilitate and protect a task force being sent to the Falkland Islands, and are reliant on sharing one with the French, who also hate the Brits and always have.


For the record, as I have to repeat this a lot, WE DO NOT AND ARE NOT GOING TO SHARE A CARRIER WITH THE FRENCH, EVER. I hope that sinks in.

People read nonsense in the likes of the Sun and Mail then believe it, but the deal we did with the French last year is not to share an actual carrier, but each to have 1 and rotate them out. The French are going to build a QE class carrier, having paid us for the designs, and will operate it ALONGSIDE THE BRITISH ONE ON A ROTATIONAL BASIS...

Also, we haven't had an actual, proper operational carrier since HMS Hermes was finally flogged to India, but we've done alright for 25 years or so without one.

We do still have, however, HMS Ocean and a few other Amphibious assault ships, which will do nicely at a push, plus the HMS Queen Lizzy will be complete by 2015, although we won't have any planes to fly off it, we can quickly dust of the Harrier fleet which is in storage or fly swarms of helicopters.

The long and short of it is that even though the UK forces are in transition (some like to fan the flames and claim they're being cut, but they aren't really) we can still quite easily fend of the Argies and any other Latin chums they invite to the party without breaking a sweat.
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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That is just an absurd analogy and bares no resemblence to what is going on in this thread.

You analogy fails right at the start by having a pre-built house. That would imply a degree of ownership and development before you grabbed it. To use your analogy properly, the Falklands would have to be compared to an unused, open, unowned peice of land you might want to build a house on, but someone beat you to it and bought the land.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:07 PM
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Originally posted by Hopeforeveryone

Personally I'd consider cutting them in on the oil as they don't produce much and it never hurts to have an ally, maybe in exchange for an increase in trade agreements.



We had a deal and they walked out. Don't think they'll get another bite at the cherry though, that much has been said already by Hague and Cameron. They had their chance and blew it by pushing the Sovereignty issue.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:09 PM
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It's true that Argentina does not have a great government, but the UK has colonized a lot of lands. And I can bet that not everyone liked their invasion.
Some say that Argentina just want the islands because of financial interests. But the UK did not invaded a lot of places for nothing or to bring good things to the locals. They invaded because of oil, gold and other natural resources, as did the other europeans country. We Americans (from the continent named America) should be happy that some americans country are trying to put the europeans in their place. This land is ours not theirs!
Also the africans and asians should do this.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:22 PM
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Tell that to the native american's. You guys are mostly desended from Europeans who "stole" it from the indiginous people. How do these people even figure out how to turn their computers on.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by Tiradentes
It's true that Argentina does not have a great government, but the UK has colonized a lot of lands. And I can bet that not everyone liked their invasion.


What "invasion"?


Originally posted by Tiradentes
Some say that Argentina just want the islands because of financial interests. But the UK did not invaded a lot of places for nothing or to bring good things to the locals. They invaded because of oil, gold and other natural resources, as did the other europeans country. We Americans (from the continent named America) should be happy that some americans country are trying to put the europeans in their place. This land is ours not theirs!
Also the africans and asians should do this.


The UK never, once, invaded or colonised a country for it's oil. By the time Oil was a useful commodity, we had already built our Empire. We were simply after trade and dominance of it, regardless of the actual commodity.

In fact, the bulk of British Empire was built by accident out of a reaction to other European powers building their own long before (Spain, France) and stifling UK trade, so we sought to establish our own trade stations and markets.

India, Pakistan and Afghan are examples of this. The only reason the UK pushed North in the Punjab and Afghan was to stop the Russians from taking over the whole of Asia, during what is called the Great Game.

It is worth looking at history in it's entire context, not in some easy to swallow tid-bit that takes nothing else into consideration and paints a totally distorted picture. Merely saying "Evil british taking over the world" merely illsurates astounding ignorance.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:35 PM
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the US took up the british role in the ME as an per an agreement made (IMO) so the british could focus on a more specialized role on international scene.....both the US and UK and other UE nations are concentrating influence in zones assigned to each based on factors like population, geografical positioning, and so on....

both the US and UK and other UE nations....(abc easy as 123....do ray me).....lol.....
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Right on Mate!!!



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:43 PM
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I read ATS forum since 2009, but this is the first time I posted something, ahem...


Originally posted by ChrisF231
How many times do we have to discuss this? The Falkland Islanders wish to remain BRITISH. Everyone there is British, they speak English, hold British citizenship, get higher education in British colleges, pledge alligence to Queen Elizabeth II. They are British, got it? BRITISH.


Sir, this is awful. I'm from Argentina, and reading all of this bullsh*t about Malvinas really make me upset. British people living there in Malvinas? it's ok, They want to be British? I guess that's fine too. Actually, Cristina doesn't want them out of the islands or anything, much less start a friggin' war with UK while there are a f*ck ton of submarines and battleships moving around the islands pointing their cannons toward this way. It's like they're trying too hard to pull all of this mess to have the perfect excuse and nuke the whole country, just because 'Argentina is hostile, they're trying to stole my vacation house, so I'll throw of my almighty military power hurr.'

You know what? The people may be British, but the islands belongs to Argentina.
Check out Google Maps if you don't believe me. This 'legal' stuff is poitless, UK can't claim the islands as theirs being over 10,000km from here. What would happen if I'm going to claim China as mine because 'HEY! I have this paper (which I printed this morning), and it says China is mine, so get out of here you asian people'. I'd be probably dead by now.

Maybe all of you know about the conflict 31 years ago. Our dictator/president Leopoldo Galtieri sent teenagers without training, food or clothes; armed almost with waterguns to this war, fighting against modern equipment and REAL weapons. It's just wrong thinking of having the right to own this piece of rock just becaese UK ""WIN"" this little game. Even the RIGHT to look away and say 'Yeah, well, touch my bloody islands and I'll end this right here, right now, while I drink my cup of tea AND my nukes'.

British leads just want to feel powerful facing weaker countries and make money with our resources using the people living there as a shield. That's all.



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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:46 PM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
woohoo,go kick brit azz Latinos!!!


Teach tha Brits a nice lesson.




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by ludwigvonmises003
woohoo,go kick brit azz Latinos!!!


Teach tha Brits a nice lesson. What the f..k with,get real.




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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where is the proof?

I have proven that brits were the biggest mass murderers in history. 1.8 billion brutally murdered by the british empire.


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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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from 1757-1947 the total mass murder was 1.8 billion.After British left ,India's population exploded .Ever wondered why?



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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I refuse to even attempt to answer such blatant trolling, to do so would only drive you to the edge of insanity.

In my opinion as important as it is. The Argies will say the Malvinas are theirs the British the Falklands theirs.

The reality of the situation is that under international law Britain has more of a claim, has more diplomatic influence abroad and generally more 'power' then the argies in staking the claim. The only other alternative would be for the argies to invade and take it over by force, which obviously failed before and would likely fail again.

If I were an Argentinean I would want the Falklands but as I’m British I don't. The mineral wealth will be taxed and help pay for British services, the Islands will prosper become self sufficient and act as a location of geopolitical strength for the UK.

I think the teenage democracy that is Argentina needs to stop acting on hormonal impulses!

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