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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972
While were on/off the topic i thought i'd included this jem i read a few minutes ago ARGENTINA TO FLY MALVINAS FLAG AT THE 2012 OLYMPICS

How pathetic.
Kirchners scraping the barrel here for a bit of support.
Its a shame Maggie didnt finish the job in 1982 and launch tactical nuclear weapons like she said she would if Fance didnt hand over the exocet missile codes.


I hate The Thatch more than anyone in the world, but I'm also disappointed that she didn't steam-roll these Argentinean imperialist fascists, taking Argentina in the process


Argentina just doesn't seem to learn. These buffoons are absolutely brainwashed into thinking the Falklands is theirs. I'm not sure how these imperialists will learn, it seems the swift jab to their nose hasn't slowed their nazi ideologies.




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l

Originally posted by Narciso

Originally posted by michael1983l
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So people should not be allowed to decide their own fate then, like the native Falkland Islanders want to?

You still have not provided one sensible argument as to why Argentina, that as a nation was born after the Falkland Islands should be the soverign state of the Falkland Islands?

Do you think that if the people of the Falklands were given an honest and free vote on who they wanted to be soverign state to that it would not come back as 99%+ British Soverignty. What gives you the right to displace an entire nation on the grounds that the Island is relativly close to your nation and it must be your because my dad told me a story once that he lived there.

Come on, give me a break. You have zero valid grounds for claims on the Islands and if your nation continues to try and bully the Islanders and the UK into handing them to you, then I personally would back any UK government mandate to go to war with Argentina.


When did Great Britain care about people deciding their own fate? Never mind. But I remind you that you where ok with doing that to the palestinians when you decided to create Isreal out of thing air so I assumed you would be ok with this too, I guess I was wrong since this time what favours your interests is the opposite. Hmmm, I learning a lot today...


The day democracy was born in the UK and the freedom of speech. You do realise that the UK is the birthplace of democracy right? You know that Idea that allows the people to vote on the party they wish to look after their interests. guess you think that is not caring for the people though do you? Maybe highlighting the fact that the UK gives more foreign aid per % of GDP capita than any other nation in the world? But again you will probably rebuff that. How about the UK's world renownd free religion and freedom of migration without discrimination? Again we are probably not caring for people there are we, we probably luring them in so we can burn them all at the steak next year.

I see you couldn't come up with a reasonable argument as to why Argentina should have the Falklands, so you resort to attacking the ideal of the UK instead. Won't wash sunshine. See you in the trenches.


Sorry, won´t be seeing you, because no cause is worth to go to war, even worse if you know you´ll lose. But since everyone seems to want to settle this that way you just prove the point I was trying to make earlier.

Bigger stick, you´re right!



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:47 AM
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Why do you resort to trying to discredit the person or in this case nation, just because you can't come up with a valid argument in accordance to your governments stance on the Falkland Islands? Why can't you just admit that you were wrong?



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by Narciso
reply to post by Freeborn
 


I´ll tell you this one more time.

MY GOVERNMENT SUCKS! I hope that was clear enough for you,


Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve...George Bernard Shaw.

So, its says a lot for the Argies then..Maybe if your PM spent less on propaganda about the Falklands less children would die from hunger in Argentina..



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Narciso

Originally posted by JessopJessopJessop
The people of the Falklands want to remain in their current position. How difficult is that to understand?

There is no legitimate argument for the Falklands being anything but British territory. The Falkland Islanders reject the claims of Argentina and want to remain a British territory.

These South American colonialists are taking liberties because they know Britain is too kind, unlike the South Americans, there is no blood lust in Britain for conflict.

It's funny how people talk about Britain this, Britain that, the history of British imperialism yada yada yada, but can't accept that the only imperialists and aggressors in this scenario are the Argentinians trying to siege an Island that doesn't belong to them.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day - Britain, for all her atrocities, has legitimate right to the Falklands.

These are facts, and if Britons weren't so nice we'd punch you in the face!

We will ship James Haskell to Argentina and he will emasculate you again!


South American colonialists, what nonsense! If we were such colonialist you would be talking spanish or portuguese in this friking forum instead of me trying to answer a hundred people in better English than most of them as fast as my fingers can type.



You are a colonialist nation, you just happen to be not very good at it. Doesn't stop you trying though, does it?

The Falklands do not belong to you, imperialist pig. This is 2011, the days of invading and stealing land from innocent people is over - Please, evolve and catch up.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by Narciso

Originally posted by michael1983l

Originally posted by Narciso

Originally posted by michael1983l
reply to post by Narciso
 


So people should not be allowed to decide their own fate then, like the native Falkland Islanders want to?

You still have not provided one sensible argument as to why Argentina, that as a nation was born after the Falkland Islands should be the soverign state of the Falkland Islands?

Do you think that if the people of the Falklands were given an honest and free vote on who they wanted to be soverign state to that it would not come back as 99%+ British Soverignty. What gives you the right to displace an entire nation on the grounds that the Island is relativly close to your nation and it must be your because my dad told me a story once that he lived there.

Come on, give me a break. You have zero valid grounds for claims on the Islands and if your nation continues to try and bully the Islanders and the UK into handing them to you, then I personally would back any UK government mandate to go to war with Argentina.


When did Great Britain care about people deciding their own fate? Never mind. But I remind you that you where ok with doing that to the palestinians when you decided to create Isreal out of thing air so I assumed you would be ok with this too, I guess I was wrong since this time what favours your interests is the opposite. Hmmm, I learning a lot today...


The day democracy was born in the UK and the freedom of speech. You do realise that the UK is the birthplace of democracy right? You know that Idea that allows the people to vote on the party they wish to look after their interests. guess you think that is not caring for the people though do you? Maybe highlighting the fact that the UK gives more foreign aid per % of GDP capita than any other nation in the world? But again you will probably rebuff that. How about the UK's world renownd free religion and freedom of migration without discrimination? Again we are probably not caring for people there are we, we probably luring them in so we can burn them all at the steak next year.

I see you couldn't come up with a reasonable argument as to why Argentina should have the Falklands, so you resort to attacking the ideal of the UK instead. Won't wash sunshine. See you in the trenches.


Sorry, won´t be seeing you, because no cause is worth to go to war, even worse if you know you´ll lose. But since everyone seems to want to settle this that way you just prove the point I was trying to make earlier.

Bigger stick, you´re right!


I wouldn't call exercising our right to defend our soverign borders anything but self defence. Your nation is the aggressor here, not Britain.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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Well, people who habits the isles doesn't want to be argentinian, they're happy as they are. They speak english and feel part of the british empire... I just saw some months ago a short docu on TV about them. They're very quiet and nice and don't feel that Argentina is a threat for their lifestyle, nor even think about a new war. So I think that this must be solved asking them and not by forcing UK to leave the isles to Argentina, because the inhabitants are the ones who in a way or another own the land.

Second, and as a chilean, those guys from the Mercosur revocated again the participation of my country on their association. And that's good in a way, because we're friends with the US and UK (we LOVE the UK since the times of dictator Pinochet, who paired with the british in the war against Argentina), not bolivarians in any way and we don't participate on their stupid utopic thinking of the "bolivarian country". We're like the unwanted neighbors here in South America! just because we have a right winged goverment and we don't mess on the other countries business (not even their business related to us, like the maritime claims of Bolivia or the... maritime claims of Peru. It's like "ok, go cry at the Haya or to the Pope if you want, we don't care" and nothing else)



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by andy1972

Originally posted by Narciso
reply to post by Freeborn
 


I´ll tell you this one more time.

MY GOVERNMENT SUCKS! I hope that was clear enough for you,


Democracy is a device that insures we shall be governed no better than we deserve...George Bernard Shaw.

So, its says a lot for the Argies then..Maybe if your PM spent less on propaganda about the Falklands less children would die from hunger in Argentina..


Hahahaha! That might just bite you in the back, you were the ones burning the hell out of the streets of London earlier this year, just like the egiptians, lybians and all of the "oppressed" third world inhabitants



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:52 AM
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Come on!! The Spanish and the Portuguese were just as bad as the British for trying to colonise the world during their histories.



edit on 21-12-2011 by Kurokage because: spelling.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 11:56 AM
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I am more than capable of thinking for myself.

As are The Falkland Islanders who wish to remain British.

I understand you dislike your government, I too despise my government with a passion.....but that's irrelevant in this debate, you have still failed to come up with one valid reason why The Islands should be Argentinian and have failed to answer several questions put to you.

You seem to care about people's rights etc yet are so willing to completely dismiss the rights of The Islandes, quite a hypocritical stance.

I suggest your government is manipulating you into ignoring more pressing and important domestic issues.
Maybe you should ask your government exactly why they chose to turn down the very generous offer from the UK of an equal share in all costs and profits from any mineral deposits in The Falklands area.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:02 PM
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A timely reminder (again)



Although it mentions another conflict, the sentiment of this post is relevant to this thread too

Wars are not won and lost on ATS, they are discussed

Please bear the sentiment of that post in mind at all times.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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South American colonialists, what nonsense! If we were such colonialist you would be talking spanish or portuguese in this friking forum instead of me trying to answer a hundred people in better English than most of them as fast as my fingers can type


Your English is indeed very good and to be commended, and I hope I don't appear patronising by saying that.

Which is one of the reasons why I ask you to read your post again and then ask, do you not see the irony in what you wrote?
edit on 21/12/11 by Freeborn because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:13 PM
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Originally posted by michael1983l

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Awesome.

Enough with the colonies and empires.

Go South America, and may God crush the queen and her slaves with all his might!
edit on 21-12-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)


I take it you are completely ignorant to any facts on this issue then. The faulklands was uninhabited when the UK colonised it and the Faulkland Islands holds its own government. The people and the Government unaminously want it to stay that way and they have no desire at all to become part of Argentina or any other nation.

Judging by your attitude, you are happy for the population of the Faulklands to be enslaved by a foreign government then?


Of course, the level of hypocrisy I see on sites like this against the British is quite incredible - and I'm quite certain that if any of those critics understood the reality of life under, say, a communist dictator, compared to life in one of the common-wealth countries, they would eat their prejudiced words faster than you can say 'more bread please, I'm starving' And you are quite right, the Falkland Islanders are British and want to stay that way.

It also makes me laugh all the fuss over UK and EU, when so many British haters conveniently forget the lies and broken promises made by France and Germany over the past decade in relation to the European community they would like to control. It seems that France and Germany can do anything in their national intersts - including breaking every rule in the EU book to allow Greece to join - but the UK can't refuse to join a sinking ship without prompting bellows of outrage from inverse snobs worldwide. Such a lack of discernment is shown by preferring the Napoleon-channeller Sarkozy to the present UK government really astounds me....



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by JessopJessopJessop

Originally posted by andy1972
While were on/off the topic i thought i'd included this jem i read a few minutes ago ARGENTINA TO FLY MALVINAS FLAG AT THE 2012 OLYMPICS

How pathetic.
Kirchners scraping the barrel here for a bit of support.
Its a shame Maggie didnt finish the job in 1982 and launch tactical nuclear weapons like she said she would if Fance didnt hand over the exocet missile codes.


I hate The Thatch more than anyone in the world, but I'm also disappointed that she didn't steam-roll these Argentinean imperialist fascists, taking Argentina in the process


Argentina just doesn't seem to learn. These buffoons are absolutely brainwashed into thinking the Falklands is theirs. I'm not sure how these imperialists will learn, it seems the swift jab to their nose hasn't slowed their nazi ideologies.


Well said! Wasn't Argentina Hitler's first port of call after escaping from Spain??



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Vitchilo
Awesome.

Enough with the colonies and empires.

Go South America and the queen can go to hell.
edit on 21-12-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)


Really vitch really??? what have you got against the queen sure she's unelected but the royals bring money to the country via tourism and we need that mulah if the argies want to bring it on let them it turned out SOOO good for them last time we should get a chance to try our new tactics on their planes called paint and shoot


seriously though argentina you fail and even a blind man can see what you're doing using this holiday season to try and rally south american countries together against "THE EVIIL BRITS" who haven't done anything just minding their own business when an "law" is rushed through with little thought to # over the little guys in argentina GJ arg GJ.

inb4 "argentina would own britan lolol" no our tech was on similar levels we were a couple of years ahead back when the processing power of a microchip would lay in shame at todays games consoles or even calculaters and good luck even getting NEAR much less visual range of our carrier group.

TL
R bring it on argentina also vitchilo i am disapoint.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Well as a high ranking Royal Navy officer recently stated, if a situation like the Falklands was to happen again, there isn't anything we can really do about it.

Argentina is no doubt aware of this and is tightening the screw a bit.

We don't even have aircraft carriers so what exactly do people think we're going to do?

I think it was the governor of the Falklands who sort of attempted to draw a comparison with Palestine which is ridiculous in the extreme.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:32 PM
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Originally posted by Narciso

Originally posted by JessopJessopJessop
The people of the Falklands want to remain in their current position. How difficult is that to understand?

There is no legitimate argument for the Falklands being anything but British territory. The Falkland Islanders reject the claims of Argentina and want to remain a British territory.

These South American colonialists are taking liberties because they know Britain is too kind, unlike the South Americans, there is no blood lust in Britain for conflict.

It's funny how people talk about Britain this, Britain that, the history of British imperialism yada yada yada, but can't accept that the only imperialists and aggressors in this scenario are the Argentinians trying to siege an Island that doesn't belong to them.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day - Britain, for all her atrocities, has legitimate right to the Falklands.

These are facts, and if Britons weren't so nice we'd punch you in the face!

We will ship James Haskell to Argentina and he will emasculate you again!


South American colonialists, what nonsense! If we were such colonialist you would be talking spanish or portuguese in this friking forum instead of me trying to answer a hundred people in better English than most of them as fast as my fingers can type.



Oh, cut the crap, why do you think it is so many South American countries speak variants of Spanish? Could it possibly be because Spain made them her colonies? Sheesh, your level of education is amazing.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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I think both you and Argentina would find otherwise if they were ever foolish enough to attempt that again.

Let's hope not....no-one wants to see anyone die just to further politicians ambitions.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by Kram09
Well as a high ranking Royal Navy officer recently stated, if a situation like the Falklands was to happen again, there isn't anything we can really do about it.

Argentina is no doubt aware of this and is tightening the screw a bit.

We don't even have aircraft carriers so what exactly do people think we're going to do?


That's just military pish mate, the British navy has been riding in single-man canoes for the last 500 years if you believe anything these generals, politicians and media scum say. The rhetoric has always been that government isn't giving military enough money and we're vulnerable, it's not true in the least, it's just propaganda to scare people away from demanding less military spending.

Increased funding is all they're after. Britain would make quick work of Argentina.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Well I think we like to chest thump and blow a lot of hot air when it comes to this issue. Incidentally I wasn't born during the Falklands War, so obviously those who actually remember it at the time will feel differently.

Next year is the 30th anniversary so it's no doubt going to be in the media.

Oh if the Argentine's did try something I'm sure we'd clamour for action, but what exactly we'd manage to scrape together to stop them is anybody's guess.

I don't know if any other South American countries would back Argentina if it came to military action.




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