Something I've noticed about Republican psychology and motivation

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:17 PM
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"I know I'm not rich but someday I will be."





Now first off I'm not claiming "all Repubs are this way." And certainly on ATS I think most people think pretty deeply so don't get all huffy and spend this thread trying to tell me that you are different from what I will describe. I know *YOU* are different...you are politically aware, compared with the average person, if you are reading this, so I know ATS readers and members have deeper motivations for the most part, whatever their ideology. But most people, unfortunately, are not such deep thinkers, whatever their ideology.

So anyway, what I see from MOST self-identified Republicans or Conservatives around me is something like this: "I don't want people to think I'm a hippie, or one of those smelly deadbeats with their hairy women. I wanna be like the nice clean business-suit guys." So they vote Republican.

That's really it, that's what it comes down to as far as I can tell, at least for the people I see. They don't care about the message, they don't care about the platforms or the details. This is why repubs can do whatever they like, run roughshod over the constitution, make ridculous 180-degree policy turns, and talk "small government" out one side of their mouth while laying the foundations for a bloated fascist kleptocracy. Its because their supporters aren't judging them on their platform or even their results...rather they have been convinced to vote for aesthetic reasons -- how they see themselves, what they want to be, and the image they want to project

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:29 PM
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Wow, that is way off.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:30 PM
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While the other side, the Demoncrats, are hell bent on spending other people's money "for the greater good"....or "for the children"....to keep themselves in power.

This thread is political baiting. Get over the left/right paradigm and realize neither party gives a damn about anything other than retention of their semblance of power.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. MANY from both parties have paved their way there.

Everyone is a philanthropist when they have someone else footing the bill.
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:31 PM
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Yeah, thanks... I concur. As apposed to really putting some thought into the things that are happening around them most people are worried about what others will think of them or maybe what they will think of themselves. They choose based on the motive of television and hear-say as opposed to some intellectual thought. Point taken and I congratulate you on putting it out there. I come across this everyday. I still stand appalled.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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You have noticed that there "psychology" and motivation in both Republican and Democrat parties are totaly identical to the same corporate interests that control them both?

If so star for you!

If not

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:33 PM
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The first political lesson I ever learned was in 1978.
Jr high class president. Each student running spoke in the Auditorium.
Popular kids, brains, actavists, artist, then the meat head.
He steps up to the mic and says...
"Well If you elect me class president I guess I'll have to shave my head."

* The auditorium erupts in laughter and applause.

"Just like the Principle." The principle was bald.

* Standing ovation.


Then when he was elected...


... he never did shave his head.


David Grouchy
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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So where does the "conservative" Democrat,or Independent stand in your view of "faking it"?





posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:34 PM
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I believe that's the message the OP is trying to get across.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:37 PM
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Fiscal conservatism

Fiscal conservatism is the economic philosophy of prudence in government spending and debt.[36] Edmund Burke, in his 'Reflections on the Revolution in France', argued that a government does not have the right to run up large debts and then throw the burden on the taxpayer:

...[I]t is to the property of the citizen, and not to the demands of the creditor of the state, that the first and original faith of civil society is pledged. The claim of the citizen is prior in time, paramount in title, superior in equity. The fortunes of individuals, whether possessed by acquisition or by descent or in virtue of a participation in the goods of some community, were no part of the creditor's security, expressed or implied...[T]he public, whether represented by a monarch or by a senate, can pledge nothing but the public estate; and it can have no public estate except in what it derives from a just and proportioned imposition upon the citizens at large

Social conservatives (in the first meaning of the word) in many countries generally favor the pro-life position in the abortion controversy and oppose embryonic stem cell research (particularly if publicly funded); oppose both eugenics and human enhancement (transhumanism) while supporting bioconservatism;[42] support a traditional definition of marriage as being one man and one woman; view the nuclear family model as society's foundational unit; oppose expansion of civil marriage and child adoption rights to couples in same-sex relationships; promote public morality and traditional family values; oppose atheism[43], especially militant atheism, secularism and the separation of church and state;[44][45][46] support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution, premarital sex, non-marital sex and euthanasia; and support the censorship of pornography and what they consider to be obscenity or indecency.

Some conservatives also support harsh, eye for an eye-based punishment such as the death penalty and long prison terms over punishments that focus on rehabilitation

This is why i am a conservative.....except the porn thing
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:39 PM
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There is a battle behind the scenes to remake the Repubs more conservative....maybe I should say, reflecting the older values of the party. Maybe even libertarian. There is a lot of push back.

Don’t me wrong, I have a tendency to believe that libertarian people have a predilection to think for themselves. Hence one of the reasons that they are always contentious when it comes to politics.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:43 PM
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What is funny to me is how the most outlandish stereotypical hippies of the late 1960s are today the ones on Facebook that find it important to acknowledge that they are conservative and Christian... They were the largest percentage of draft dodgers supposedly due to being anti war.... They were the most arrogant and annoying of that period just as they are in this period in time.... I also find it funny how many people that I have known that have records of felony convictions seem to always want people to know that they support the Republican candidate and claim that they always vote a straight ticket though as convicted felons can't legally vote.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:44 PM
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Basically everyone is wrong.

Both parties are bought and paid for by Wall Street and the Public Sector Unions. What incentive is there to change anything? Neither party does any good for this country. I will never vote for a single Republican or Democrat again.

The more you buy into the right wing / left wing mirage, the more you empower them and support a corrupt (supposed) 2 party system that does nothing good for this country.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 11:55 PM
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Originally posted by redstripe1229
Basically everyone is wrong.

Both parties are bought and paid for by Wall Street and the Public Sector Unions. What incentive is there to change anything? Neither party does any good for this country. I will never vote for a single Republican or Democrat again.

The more you buy into the right wing / left wing mirage, the more you empower them and support a corrupt (supposed) 2 party system that does nothing good for this country.


I won't say Left or Right Wing is a correct term. That is media construed. But there is a division of conservative and liberal mindsets. Many of the cemented in their beliefs.

There can be both good and bad in each mindset...but try getting them to converse about it in a civil manner.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 12:12 AM
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Originally posted by bozzchem
While the other side, the Demoncrats, are hell bent on spending other people's money "for the greater good"....or "for the children"....to keep themselves in power.

This thread is political baiting. Get over the left/right paradigm and realize neither party gives a damn about anything other than retention of their semblance of power.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. MANY from both parties have paved their way there.

Everyone is a philanthropist when they have someone else footing the bill.
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Yeah. What Bozz said.

Gonna be some learning in this thread...

Thanks for saving me the typing.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 01:02 AM
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I hate dems and republicans about the same to tell you the truth, but while I get what you're saying, I think it runs way deeper than that. At least the democrats "try" to help people who are less fortunate, and are more understanding of people's situations. It seems to me republicans are simply out to make money for themselves and their families and friends, as well as the businesses they are involved with...

Most republicans I know will say that government shouldn't regulate businesses because yada yada, when the truth is that of course they don't want regulations, because then they couldn't screw people like they've been doing for years. The majority of your big businessmen are republicans, and that isn't simply a coincidence.

Republicans also would not hesitate to end social security, putting many of your grandparents on the street. They apparently have no problem with this, despite the fact that the money should have been there to cover this, but what happened to that? Hmm.

So actually, I probably hate republicans more than democrats when it comes down to it, because they definitely have an obvious agenda. Just look at the GOP candidates right now...I mean WOW. Paul is the only good choice, and he isn't even a republican.

So, I don't like democrats, but I especially don't like most republicans. If your observations are true for you, then no one can argue with you, and all they can say, like I did, that that is not what they have observed. I shared with you what I have observed over the years, and that is exactly why I am fed up with politics. They're all the same.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 01:16 AM
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28 of the 29 "most generous" states are Red States that voted for President Bush (including all 25 of the "most generous" states), while 17 of the 21 "least generous" states are Blue States that voted for Senator Kerry (including all 7 of the "least generous" states): taxprof.typepad.com...


In Who Really Cares: The Surprising Truth About Compassionate Conservatism (Basic Books), Arthur C. Brooks finds that religious conservatives are far more charitable than secular liberals, and that those who support the idea that government should redistribute income are among the least likely to dig into their own wallets to help others.
www.philanthropy.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 01:19 AM
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Dataset of the Day: Who is more Generous? Republicans or Democrats?
By admin On January 7, 2009 · 27 Comments

I came across an article that appeared in the New York Times called “Bleeding Heart Tightwads” by Nicholas D. Kristof. Kristof, a liberal, goes on to say that liberals tend to be stingy when it comes to giving to charity. I found it to be very interesting and also contradictory to what I originally believed. I had always in the past believed liberals to be the group that is extremely generous and more prone to give to charity than Republicans. This is because liberals tend to push for policies that focus on using government spending to increase opportunities for the needy, something that is consistent of a charitable nature. After reading this article and doing some further research I decided to use Finder! and Maker! to display some of my findings on the subject.

blog.geoiq.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 01:21 AM
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You can also find more info on this from john Stossel on the Libertarian websites. Conservatives tend to give out of their own pocket, dems ask the state to require it (which is not charity at all).
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posted on Dec, 22 2011 @ 11:16 PM
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I don't agree with this guy one bit. However.. It really urks me that the Republicans demand the filthy rich continue to get tax breaks while the rest of us pay the bill, job creators, where are the jobs! Even worse is the recent chicken fight with middle class taxes. Their willing to gamble on middle class taxes over a pipe line that has nothing to do with payroll taxes at all, but the rich need their tax breaks. Seriously when I was younger I was Republican, but they have strayed so far the the right, and have become so disconnected I can honestly say I reluctantly vote Democrat.





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