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Louisiana lawmaker calls for the military occupation of New Orleans

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Of course, it's all for your safety... and soon it will be everywhere in the US.

Lawmaker wants military patrols after child's murder

A Louisiana lawmaker wants the National Guard to patrol the streets of New Orleans after a toddler who was four days shy of her second birthday was shot and killed in a drive-by.

"She was out here as a innocent bystander. She's dead now," said Rufus Ruck, the child's cousin.

Keira Holmes Gordon was gunned down in a double shooting at the B. W. Cooper Housing development on Sunday. She was one of two people hit when gunmen from two separate cars opened fire on a man who was standing nearby.

Gee I wonder why this hasn't been tested before in history... I mean, the more troops there are in the streets, the less crime there is right? Nazi Germany and the USSR probably had the lowest crime rates in history right?
Yeah yeah yeah, a child died at the hands of criminals. It's very very sad but it's not a reason to be under military occupation.

Who elects those fascists again?

Update : thanks to greeneyedleo for pointing that out :

"We do not plan to ask for troops," Landrieu spokesman Ryan Berni told CNN in an e-mail Monday. "We have a great working relationship with the National Guard, and they are engaged on a daily basis in the crime-fighting work we are doing in New Orleans."

So the national guard is ALREADY in New Orleans... well this is nice. Posse Comitatus is such a pain...
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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State lawmaker Austin Badon Jr., who represents part of Orleans Parish, said crime is spiraling out of control and wants the government to step and help control the violence.

"Everybody's afraid," Badon said. "The bad guys are running the city right now. We gotta take this city back."



So then what is the solution to the high out of control crime? Anyone? Just allow it to continue? Who gives a crap about innocent people?

BTW.....


"We do not plan to ask for troops," Landrieu spokesman Ryan Berni told CNN in an e-mail Monday. "We have a great working relationship with the National Guard, and they are engaged on a daily basis in the crime-fighting work we are doing in New Orleans."



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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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Well I am really sorry about that child's death I find a military occupation not only a travesty but also against the Constitution



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:06 PM
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When the football stadium is more important than the citizens, it is obvious the bad guys are running the city.

Perspective.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:07 PM
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I watched this on CNN today. He stated that having the national guard there will help boost morale.

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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Someone at my work was just talking about this today. The way she said it, "gunning down babies in the street." I'm surprised it took this long personally. With all the abandoned property, and the poverty, and the crime rate even before Katrina, it was only a matter of time. New Orleans was either going to emerge from Katrina as the new Orlando of the South, or as the new Beirut of the South. Seems like it has gone the way of Beirut.

It is an extremely sad story for the baby, and for the good folks in New Orleans.

This is one of the rare times I would support military intervention, but not US military. It needs to be Louisiana National Guard at the command of the Governor.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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I just want to add this here for some perspective.

National Guard leaves New Orleans after 3 1/2 years

It isn't like seeing National Guard troops deployed into Chicago, Detroit or Seattle. They were there for years and apparently, are needed back again. The lawlessness there is EPIC and...frankly...it wasn't exactly a decent place BEFORE Katrina. It's just madness now. I've been there in a truck many times and outside of work once.

All my trips into New Orleans proper or the communities immediately around it off I-10 as opposed to the north end of the lake have been...tense. I don't blame them for asking the Guard back. The NOPD is just a hopeless morass of corruption in my personal opinion...and despite their best efforts to change that, the rot goes from the top down. Flush the brass or the commode will never come clean.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:08 PM
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Well.. We must know why he was shot. Drug related crimes? Well, that is actually the majority of 'drive-by's anyways,
Make it legal, and that takes the power away from criminals. Done.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:09 PM
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And if they do this, you won't be able to leave your house at night. I guarantee you that. Because the only reason people leave their houses at night is to do bad things. Forget about night owls and people who work 3rd shift.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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Yes, I wrote about this last night in the off topic forum. The whole thing is sad, the death of the little girl, and them calling in the National Guard, I don't think the NG will be able to do anything to stop the violence, they can't arrest people I don't think.

I don't know what the answer is, but I;m pretty sure it's not the National Guard!



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Well thanks for that insight... I didn't know that New Orleans was that MUCH of a hell hole...

Very sad considering what it was a hundred years ago.
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:15 PM
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Dear Vitchilo,

The National Guard is just that and they can be called up by a governor to help in many situations. The thing we were always concerned about was not the National Guard; but, federal troops. The National Guard was supposed to be under the control of the states for helping with internal state issues. The problem we are facing is that the Federal Government now controls the National Guard and uses them to fight overseas rather than protect the people of their state.

The threat we are facing is that the federal troops (Army, Marines, Air Force and Navy) are now allowed to engage in police actions within the United States while the National Guard is overseas. The National Guardsman is less likely to shoot his neighbor in his home state than are troops coming from all states fresh from the Iraq war. Peace.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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Perhaps that lawmaker should be focusing on policing rather than passing the buck. I find it remarkable that gangs like this can operate so freely across our nations and that the police are incapable of doing anything about it.

A suspicious person would suggest that this is because many officers are actually corrupt. Good thing I'm not a suspicious person.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:23 PM
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So again.....since most seem to be upset and complaining about this...........

what is the solution to the out of control high crime in the area??

What do you suggest be the solution to protect the innocent in that area?
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:26 PM
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Lol so was this toddler part of the bloods or crips? She forget to wear neutral colors? I know of a lot of gangs that target 1-4 year olds all the time -.- can we get some marines to protect these poor kids all over the country.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by greeneyedleo
So again.....since most seem to be upset and complaining about this...........

what is the solution to the out of control high crime in the area??

What do you suggest be the solution to protect the innocent in that area?
edit on December 20th 2011 by greeneyedleo because: (no reason given)


Investigate the local police forces who are clearly failing to do their job to protect the citizens. Forget patrolling the streets looking for the 14 year old smoking a doobie, actually prioritize the violent crime over writing tickets. Quit wasting time escorting bailiffs and dedicate that to actual police work.

I still think that if they were investigated they would probably find massive corruption involved. No violent gang can operate in an urban area on a constant bases like that without officers knowing about it, where they live, who they are, where they hang out, what they deal in...



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Even if they lock them up, they get right back out we have a revolving door on the jail down here!! The 19 year old who was the intended victim in this case was out of jail, let out by a judge.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:56 PM
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Originally posted by AQuestion
The National Guard is just that and they can be called up by a governor to help in many situations. The thing we were always concerned about was not the National Guard; but, federal troops. The National Guard was supposed to be under the control of the states for helping with internal state issues. The problem we are facing is that the Federal Government now controls the National Guard and uses them to fight overseas rather than protect the people of their state.


Well.....right after Vietnam, Congress deliberately forced the SECDEF to move 70% of Combat Support & Combat Service Support formations into the Reserves & Guard. This was specifically done with the after taste of a decade long war in SEA still sour in many mouths. The intent was to prevent any future President from getting involved in a similar endeavor without a forced call-up of the Reserves (and by implication, Congressional vote).

The Guard and Reserve are a stragetic reserve. The Guard isn't simply troops for the State to use.


Originally posted by AQuestion
The threat we are facing is that the federal troops (Army, Marines, Air Force and Navy) are now allowed to engage in police actions within the United States while the National Guard is overseas. The National Guardsman is less likely to shoot his neighbor in his home state than are troops coming from all states fresh from the Iraq war. Peace.


Yeah, right.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Man the # I could tell you about New Orleans.

Did you know that in WW2 a organization called "Care" went to every major city in the US and donated food and supplies for the ration stricken public. Except New Orleans. They forgot New Orleans. For generations after that it was called "New Orleans the city that Care forgot."

That Walt Disney wanted to make Disney Land in New Orleans east, but that he found the corruption around the simple task of land aquisition so inpenitrable that he went to the middle of a Florida swamp instead. Some may have noticed how the Magic Kingdom looks very similar to St Pauls Cathedral in Jackson Square, French Quarter.

Even the people who live in New Orleans, don't know what the hell is going on there.


David Grouchy



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 10:20 PM
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Dear jerico65,



Well.....right after Vietnam, Congress deliberately forced the SECDEF to move 70% of Combat Support & Combat Service Support formations into the Reserves & Guard. This was specifically done with the after taste of a decade long war in SEA still sour in many mouths. The intent was to prevent any future President from getting involved in a similar endeavor without a forced call-up of the Reserves (and by implication, Congressional vote). The Guard and Reserve are a stragetic reserve. The Guard isn't simply troops for the State to use.


That is exactly what they did which is why we are having the problem that we do have now. You roll your eyes at the thought of the military being used within our borders, you need to do some reading of the executive directives, read them on the White House site. The Posse Comitatus Act prohibited such things for a reason. The National Guard, what used to be called the "state militia" was to protect the states at it's inception.

As for the changes in the laws making it possible for the military to be used on civilians within our borders, yeah, that is disturbing. Does it mean something is imminent, no, it does not; but, we created checks and balances to make sure that such things would not happen and one by one the checks and balances are being eliminated. When you have the GOP front runner saying that if the judges did not go along with his interpretation of the law then he would have them arrested, I guess I just don't trust my government that much. Peace.




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