We Killed Your Daughter; You're Under Arrest, page 1


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Topic started on 20-12-2011 @ 03:54 PM by Domo1
Sheriff deputy travelling in excess of 70 mph without lights ends up killing two pedestrians. Family members come out to identify the deceased, and the father of the woman killed was thrown to the ground and arrested.



"I was at home on Friday night working on my car when someone came running over and told me that a deputy ran over my daughter in the street,” recalls Jimmy Clevenger, Jolley’s father. “I ran down here, I was very upset…. The next thing I know, they had me by the neck and threw me to the ground and said I resisted arrest. My daughter was dead in the street and it was their fault.” The outraged relatives were taken to jail, and face criminal charges. Swearengin, the killer, was taken to the hospital and wasn’t compelled to undergo drug or alcohol screening The posted local speed limit (for Mundanes, of course) is 45 miles per hour. According to several on-scene accounts from horrified witnesses, Swearengin blew through the intersection at a speed of 75–90 miles per hour. Despite the fact that he was obviously in a hurry, Swearengin didn’t activate his siren or running lights — or, according to at least one eyewitness, his headlights.


If this had been an ordinary citizen, it would have been a felony. No charges have been filed against the officer. While I tend to side with the cops, I believe they should be held to a higher standard than the public. Of course I see an argument that police have to respond quickly to crimes, but endangering th public to chase down a car thief is not worth it in my eyes.

“What gets me is we already know the outcome,” complained Anna Rodriguez, one of Hiler’s friends, to a local reporter. “The officer will go on paid suspension. Then they will say he didn’t do anything wrong. And that will be the end of it.”


That above quote is probably the truth.

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reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 04:02 PM by Domo1
reply to post by thisguyrighthere



I've been on some ride alongs that scared the hell out of me. We went chasing after some guy that blew a stop sign at 40mph in a residential neighborhood and the whole time I was worried we were going to hit a pedestrian. Jumped a dip in the street at 60 mph and the cop and I both let out a string of words that would make a sailor blush when we landed.

Of course they can't just let everything go if people run but at the same time they need to be held accountable when they do something reckless.



reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 04:35 PM by Domo1
reply to post by Wrabbit2000





If the man is out of control or just going bonkers out of shock and grief, how about some compassion?


For all I know the guy may have attacked the cop but actually charging him with resisting arrest in a time of obvious duress seems very very cold. Really just a sad story all around.


reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 04:38 PM by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Domo1


Exactly..and we definitely agree. I don't think it's about the law itself in so many of these cases...but simple Officer discretion. They have it, they can use it...but fail to so often at the expense of citizens who need their help and a little understanding...not abuse and criminal charges.



reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 04:40 PM by Domo1
reply to post by Wrabbit2000





simple Officer discretion


Which to my understanding is one of the tenets of good police work.


reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 06:27 PM by Domo1
reply to post by americanwoman



That's what I hate too, bad cops sullying the badge. I typically really like police and have known some great cops. When a cop acts like a jackass I expect them to be held to the same standard (if not a higher one) than an average citizen. Otherwise the internet fills up with people that hate cops. Oh wait...


reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 10:53 PM by Xcathdra
reply to post by Domo1



Because its a crime scene. Its entirely possible the actions of family members could alter any criminal or even civil actions against the officer. While I understand the family members response, his actions could undermine any justice for the girls death. Again, I cant say this enough - Its a crime scene.

As far as the lights and siren goes that is completely irrelevant. The Supreme Court has ruled that the responsibility to exercise a higher degree of due diligence and caution while any emergency vehicle is responding lies with the officer, not the public.

If the officer were running code, full lights and sirens, and comes up on an intersection where the officers light is green and ends up t-boning a car who ran the red light, its still the officers fault. Because we can lawfully ignore certain traffic regulations (traffic mind you - its very narrow) for emergencies, the standard placed on the officer is extremely high, and for good reason.

One of the top 10 most dangerous actions law enforcement can perform is responding code to a call.

As for this case, based on the article, the cop is done with law enforcement and will see the inside of a prison cell for his actions. Even if his defense was he was responding to a call, it will not work. The responsibility is the officer and the officer alone.

I know its not much comfort to people trying to explain this. Also, I am not defending the officers actions. I am merely providing the information that will better allow people to understand the how and whys.
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reply posted on 20-12-2011 @ 10:58 PM by Vitchilo
reply to post by Domo1



I won't even comment on that, I'm too pissed... I'm gonna go punch a few holes in a wall....
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