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Why is US (govt) so mad at Iran ? (part 2)

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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This thread is about the drastic change in all Islamic nations in middle east and the consequences and US stance toward the changes.

As you may know we have two major sects in Islam with numerous followers.

1.Shiat
2.Sunni

In Shiat ideology people who are oppressed by the governmental or non-governmental groups must stand their right and must demand it from the oppressor. And when the majority of oppressed people ask a religious leader to be their voice , the religious leader must stand and be the voice. It has always a rule in Shiat groups and that is what helped Ayatollah Khomeini to get Shah out of Iran. Iran and Iraq has been the acountries with majority of Shiat groups in It and there are major cities called the religious capital of the countries. Najaf is the religious capital of Iraq and Qom is the religious capital of Iran.

In Sunni sect , the idea was that whoever who wins is right .so that was the idea which could help all the dictators stand in the region. And as they where referred as caliph , nobody had the right to stand and fight for his/her right. But after the revolution , we can see a huge change in ideology of Sunni Muslims. As you may know , Al-Azhar University is the main school of Islamic studies for Sunni Muslims. And recently the heads of the schools which are referred as Mufti have made a manifest about standing against oppressor dominion and even Caliph.

As you can see for yourself , this is what has caused all the people in these countries revolt and stand against the oppressions.

As you know , Saudi Arabia is the geographical capital of Islam , and Muslims go there every year to do the rituals and celebrate the ceremonies.

As you can see in the picture , the next major countries which are threatened by the revolutions are Jordan , Saudi Arabia , Umman , Qatar. Bahrain and Yemen are halfway to success in the revolution.





And as people in middle east saw that Muslims can run their own dominion and they can stand all the sanctions and hostilities (like Iran did since 1979), they decided to do the changes

So after long studies and reading news I found out why US is so mad at Iran recently. And why Saudi Arabia is helping US govt in every recent plan against Iran.

And that is why they are going to sanction Iran in rome :


A senior Iranian lawmaker rapped the US, its European allies and some Arab states for attending a meeting in Rome to discuss oil sanctions against the country, and said such moves cannot persuade Tehran to withdraw from its principled positions.


FNA

 


Helping links and sources :

Al azhar News about neccesity standing oppressor : بيــان الأزهـر والمثقفين لدعم إرادة الشعوب العربية

Al-Azhar University

Caliph

www.alazhr.com...
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 02:56 PM
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Is that map a joke ... Turkmenistan, Syria, Iran democracies?



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Yes , democracies. Not liberal , but democracy.

But not the type of democracy which candidates should run million dollar campaigns to get their vote from people.

And not the type of democracies which let gays marry casually.


Majority rule is often listed as a characteristic of democracy


Democracy

Majority of people in Iran still support the Islamic Revolution , they are really supporting it by any price they can pay. By taking all the hard sanctions against Iran.



This the map of Iran political system and it is clear showing people choose government.
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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IMO
the whole Iran thing started when they recieved a nuclear reactor by our chanels....we in turn, to make Israel happy, let them bomb the crap out of it.......its all history from there....then the hostages...etc etc...



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:41 PM
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An electoral system in which only one party is allowed to participate run is a dictatorship without the dictator.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 03:56 PM
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An electoral system in which only one party is allowed to participate run is a dictatorship without the dictator.


We don't have such thing as two parties in Iran , And I think you know that it is a joke in US.



And that is what American people know and that is what has formed OWS.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 04:01 PM
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There are two dominant parties in the US and dozens of smaller parties. To compare the US electoral system, with all its flaws, on an even basis with a one party dictatorship is ridiculous.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Why is US (govt) so mad at Iran ?

Answer -
Iran sponsors international terrorism

Iran has consistently been described by the United States as the world's foremost state sponsor of terrorism. It actively supports terrorist groups, most prominently the Lebanese group Hezbollah. The Iranian relationship with Hezbollah demonstrates one accepted explanation of why states sponsor terrorism: to indirectly influence politics elsewhere


Iran the Most Active State Sponsor of Terrorism in the World

The report charges that Iran's involvement in countries like Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and in the Palestinian territories threatens efforts to promote peace, economic stability in the Gulf and democracy.

The report singles out the Quds force, an elite branch of Iran's Revolutionary Guard as the channel through which Iran supports terrorist activities and groups abroad. The report also takes to task Syria, an Iranian ally in the region.


Iran's covert operations within the USA

Iran in Latin America Engaging in Anti-America Activities

Around the time Chavez was in Tehran, a professor at the National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) began meeting with Iran’s and Venezuela’s ambassadors in Mexico, and computer engineering students and faculty, in a plot to build a cyberweapon aimed at U.S. infrastructure.


Irans Ahmadinejad calls for Destruction of USA and Israel

In a characteristically bizarre speech on Iranian television on Monday, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad accused the United States of fomenting the on-going turmoil in the Arab world and said America “had no place among the nations”.


Iran's President Again Calls for Destruction of the USA

According to the transcript of Iranian President Ahmadinejad’s speech at a recent anti-Israel conference in Tehran, which was translated and published by The New York Times, he predicted and called for the destruction of the United States. The author of a new novel about a plot by Iran to inflict nuclear terrorism on America, Sheldon Filger, warned that ignoring the statement by Iran’s president could have grave consequences for world peace.

News headlines across the world exploded with the diatribe that emanated from the lips of the President of the Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. According to Mr. Ahmadinejad, Israel must be "wiped off the map." However, it was not only Israel that Mr. Ahmadinejad threatened with annihilation. In a transcript of the speech posted by the Iranian Student News Association on its website, which was translated and published by The New York Times on October 30th, 2005, Iran’s president made clear his desire to see the U.S. destroyed along with Israel. Refering to the United States as "the world oppressor," Ahmadinejad said, "Many who are dissapointed in the struggle between the Islamic world and the infidels…say it is not possible to have a world without the United States and Zionism. But you know that this is a possible goal and slogan."


Geee .... tons more information available ... could keep going all night ....



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 04:06 PM
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And just as an FYI, Iran, Turkmenistan and Turkey aren’t part of the Arab world as, ethnically, they are predominantly Persian, Turkmen and Turks NOT Arab.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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It was not about Arabs , they are all Muslims and Islam is beyond the nationality and race.

2nd + 1



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 08:56 PM
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It has been confirmed that it was not "Israel" that the Iranian President said but "Zionism"...it may be further stated that the NY Times has been a mouth piece for Zionist sensationalism for some time now. Many Orthodox Jews and ATS members feel the world would be a more peaceful place without Zionism. You see it was prophesied that the 3rd temple would never be rebuilt and that Israel has lost its birthright. So I guess just like DHS would have you believe everybody is a terrorist except the real terrorists.
My apologies I don't have links to confirm this but easily searchable and verifiable.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 09:04 PM
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Because Iran wont drop a lawsit against Japan and US regarding the patents of the Mazda automobile designs. It was originally called the Ahura Mazda and their rotary engine was higher output than the Japanese model and got about 50 miles to the gallon.

Yes, Iran was responsible for the tsunami...yes they have a cooler device than nuclear technology(a front), yes America wants it.


See.... its so hard to believe it doesn't even need a National Security designation.

I know...you are thinking Nonsense !!!


I rest my case.
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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Dear hmdphantom,

Hey there, hmdphantom, we haven't spoken (?) in a while. Could you clear up a small political point for me?

One of your charts showed that the Guardian Council "vets" the candidates for Parliament, President, and Assembly of Experts. I'm used to thinking of vetting to mean reviewing a group of people and rejecting the unfit ones for some reason or another. Is that what the Guardian Council is doing?

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Hey , Charles1952

1. Thank you for replying and reading.

2.


I'm used to thinking of vetting to mean reviewing a group of people and rejecting the unfit ones for some reason


Yes, they do.

They just use constitution + Islamic rules to see whether a person fits to be candidate or not.

3.


With respect,


Thank you for the respect. I think you should teach other members some manner , too.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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I understand some parts of your comment and don't understand the whole message.

Can you make things clear for me.

Thank you for replying.
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posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 03:21 AM
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Originally posted by SirMike
reply to post by hmdphantom
 


There are two dominant parties in the US and dozens of smaller parties. To compare the US electoral system, with all its flaws, on an even basis with a one party dictatorship is ridiculous.


The type of democracy which candidates should run million dollar campaigns to get their vote from people.

This is ridiculous. Always same corporations support candidates. So candidates owe those corporations . So , they should give the money they borrowed back to those corporations. But those corporations don't like money much. they would like bigger interest and they get their interests. It is like gambling.

Conclusion : At last it is the multinational corporations who win.




posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 05:09 AM
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Dear hmdphantom,

Thanks for your answer. Do the people feel dictated to because the Council of Guardians choose their candidates, or is it such a part of the culture that the people are fine with it?

I can see where it's important for Iran to rule themselves under their own culture and belief. Can you see where some western countries believe that Islam is trying to replace western culture and beliefs? They might be wrong, but there are many people who are afraid of Islam. To be honest, I don't see much effort from Islamic countries to be tolerant of western life.

How do fix this?

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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Majority of people in Iran still support the Islamic Revolution , they are really supporting it by any price they can pay. By taking all the hard sanctions against Iran.


Exactly what do you base this assertion on? They have no choices at all...and those who do decide to vocalize their unhappiness with the system there are shot in the streets.

And...so candidates for the elected levels of Government, first have to be "vetted" by one of the bodies that they would subsequently appoint members to. Let me guess...one of the vetting questions is, will you appoint whomever we tell you to appoint? Next question...will you rename the Supreme Leader to his post if you are elected?

A one-party system that is ultimately controlled by a "Supreme Leader". This is an Islamic dictatorship, nothing else.

Oh...and one other reason that the U.S. is "mad at" Iran? State sponsored annual street demonstrations called Death to America day.

Oh...and one more...their direct support of Al Sadr and other Islamo freaks who regularly kill and maim Iraqi citizens...and for a long while American soldiers.

Oh...and maybe one more...their system of "justice" that provides for the hanging of people for being gay, or the execution of women for adultery (which sometimes means getting raped by a married man)...while they preach about Western societies being immoral.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 06:59 AM
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Dear charles1952.



Do the people feel dictated to because the Council of Guardians choose their candidates, or is it such a part of the culture that the people are fine with it?


It is part of the believe. They believe in Islam . I think believe is far superior than culture. Because in culture people maybe follow the rules and Custom blindly. But about the faith , people should understand the reason for what they believe and just believing won't have much feedback in their lives. So , in my opinion people understand the necessity of faith and they choose it.



Can you see where some western countries believe that Islam is trying to replace western culture and beliefs?


No , How is that possible. Can you explain more , please ?




To be honest, I don't see much effort from Islamic countries to be tolerant of western life.


I don't see neither. But I have a point of view about this.

Islam is not a voice that some superpower could just suffocate. People are always allowed to ask , they are even allowed to stand the oppressors ( finally in both Shiat and Sunni sects - Wahabbis excepted )

So , those people who just want to rule the world and take all religions with themselves know that this active Islam is not going to help them.

Then they do two major things to get their goals :

1. They make them Secular and they just induce Muslims that "religion is far from dominion , you will never make a Islamic state"

2. They make those who want to stand oppressors look bad. So they fund Al-Qaeda and they make Wahhabi.

So , even Muslims try to be passive and let the dominions do what ever they want , Islamic or non-Islamic.

Just my two cents.



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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Exactly what do you base this assertion on? They have no choices at all...and those who do decide to vocalize their unhappiness with the system there are shot in the streets.

And...so candidates for the elected levels of Government, first have to be "vetted" by one of the bodies that they would subsequently appoint members to. Let me guess...one of the vetting questions is, will you appoint whomever we tell you to appoint? Next question...will you rename the Supreme Leader to his post if you are elected?


Only one thing. You live in a different country. I mean you are in a different place and you can't see what is true about Iran.

+ I am from Iran , I am telling the facts as I see it here

then you just refuse to accept what I say and you prefer to refer to the MSM that feeds your mind.

Ok , Your right , you can look at things how you want to look.

But , if I weren't in Iran I would think that you live there and you see people are just slaves and they are stoned and hanged and killed every minute.

there are no streets in Iran , but there are streams of blood and you can't avoid putting your feet on the blood.

Government burns books and no one is allowed to learn about truth.

Hmdphantom is a dis-info agent and wants to manipulate you.

 


If you give credibility to one of those matters you better open your eyes. I mean your eyes , not to turn the TV on. Use your eyes and see how US govt is loves all around the middle east. And then , you will find out what I am saying in this thread which is about changes in the idea of Muftis in Al-Azhar.

Those changes are just warnings for hostile behavior toward religious nations.



A one-party system that is ultimately controlled by a "Supreme Leader". This is an Islamic dictatorship, nothing else.


Not true. There are many parties and they are following their rules. But Majority support Supreme Leader and that is democracy and it is not the liberal one.




Oh...and one other reason that the U.S. is "mad at" Iran? State sponsored annual street demonstrations called Death to America day.


That is absolutely death to American govt and That is another part of the plan to manipulate you.

In Iran , people who want to express their opinion about a government they use the country name. I think it is the duty of the translator to translate it truly.




Oh...and maybe one more...their system of "justice" that provides for the hanging of people for being gay, or the execution of women for adultery (which sometimes means getting raped by a married man)...while they preach about Western societies being immoral.


You western people can have sexual relationship with all kinds of species the way you want . Just leave middle east alone.

 


To all people commenting here :

Please bother reading OP and don't get much off-topic.

Thank you for the cooperation.



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