reply to post by EarthCitizen07
Thanks for your responses.
Not all liberals agree with each other and progressives are more left than liberals.
This is why I often say that Extreme Right and Extreme Left have more in common than all the folks in the middle. Check out my next few points for
more evidence of that.
I should have said most of the haters are conservative rather than liberals. Would that have changed anything?
Not really, because I would have probably disagreed with your version of "hate." As Rockpuck said, most of the actual "hate groups" are more on
the side of neo-liberalism or neo-progressives. I see the system trying to make minorities dependent on the system. They use jail, welfare, and
affirmative action to handicap minorities and it can be more harmful than helpful. I will say that some conservatives have their values misplaced and
they think things like 3-strike laws and mandatory sentencing are conservative values, but they are wrong. Anything that takes the decision making
out of the hands of individuals and localities is not a conservative view. Even drug laws are more on the side of liberals, because they take control
away from individuals and localities.
So, Extreme Right and Extreme Left have the same views when it comes to drugs, and prison, and possibly even affirmative action.
Is there enough gold/silver to accomodate the vast money supply? I don't think there is and why would we need money to be backed by
We agree here. There is not enough gold/silver, commodities, or GDP to support the current money supply after all the quantitative easing. This is
the precise reason that we NEED a standard of some kind. Our money has an arbitrary value that can be changed on a whim, and we can't trust our
politicians to do the right things.
In any case what exactly is "the nanny business"? Do you mean no social welfare systems like other nations have: social security, medicare
and medicaid. People pay money into it and should collect unimpeded. The reason the government comes up short is because they divert funds from the
trust fund into other areas.
Again, we agree here to a certain extent. We need those programs, but they are supposed to be temporary relief for folks having hard times, they are
not supposed to be retirement funds and careers! The government needs to fund these programs, and not divert the funds, and not use the programs as a
means of controlling the population or scaring up votes. Social Security originally had a very narrow use to supplement welfare programs for the most
destitute elderly. It was never intended as a sole source of income. Welfare and Unemployment were intended likewise to help people through rough
patches, not become careers. Disability is now considered part of Social Security, it pays out to people that have never paid in, and it pays far
better than welfare, and it is not applied fairly in any manner whatsoever. People with cancer and heart bypass surgeries are being denied, while
people with shyness disorders are being approved. Those systems require 100% overhauls, earmarked funding that cannot be touched by politicians, and
safety parameters to limit their abuse.
The way I see it is seperation of church from state implies the two operate seperately and do not interfere with each other in any official
capacity. You can belong to any church you want but schools are discouraged from teaching religion. As for abortion I support abortion under certain
conditions. Death penalty for multiple planned murders.
Once again we agree completely! Separation of Church and State was never supposed to preclude a kid from saying a prayer in school, or take Jesus out
of Christmas, or force towns to take down nativity scenes, it was just supposed to keep the government from making laws regarding religion. That
intention has totally backfired, because now the government makes laws regarding religion, but it makes them entirely against religion. Abortion is a
necessary evil, there are situations that require it, but they should be narrow and specific, and only with agreement between doctors and parent(s).
Death Penalty is also a necessary evil, and should only be used in the most severe cases, and only where there is unanimous support for it. None of
this 3-2 voting by appeals panels, that is infuriating to me!
It seems you call yourself LEFT, and I call myself RIGHT, but we agree about 85% of the way! See what I mean! XLeft and XRight see the whole
picture. The middle is the problem. The middle are the folks eroding our values and destroying our country and compromising simply out of
convenience. We need a leader that will refuse to compromise. That leader is RON PAUL!!!