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How to deal with the puppet 'baby Kim' and free N. Korea

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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 01:46 PM
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Since i am not interested to derail the thread - on OP itself:
I think it will be a mistake to actively engage or totally block the North Korea. West can starve it off, but those who will be starving and dying will be simple people, look at the current leader - he will eat well even then. And do not forget - North Koreans and South Koreans are the same nation, they are victims of political games between Soviet Union and West. Relatives and family live across the border - will you allow your relative to starve because the state he lives in is bloody monstrocity and is ruled by "higher spirits"?
My solution is simply to wait,while constantly pressing it diplomatically. It will rot by itself. You can fool some people for all the time, you can fool all the people for some time but ,well you know the rest. Just as much stronger Soviet Union crumbled on itself after all the ideology evaporated , so will North Korea. And it will not crash down as hard since there will be South Korea to catch it.




posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
From what is in the news - the Obama administration doesn't know much about 'baby Kim' so they really can't deal with him to help free North Korea. They don't know enough about the person they are to deal with. It'll have to be the next US Administration that deals with 'baby Kim'.


Folks this is a template on how to achieve arrogance and how not to succeed. Rather than just leave this nation be and deal with your own problems (I'm speaking from a nations perspective) there is an insatiable need for the west to meddle in the affairs of others. Who are you (again speaking to a nation, not you the individual) to judge others and present what you perceive is right. Why does the west feel that their way of life is what's best for others ? You are spot on with the brainwashing though.

Nothing personal FlyersFan, just tired of the rhetoric.


brill
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posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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Originally posted by brill
Nothing personal FlyersFan, ]

No problem.


The reason why Washington has to deal with North Korea is for many reasons but here are the biggies ...

1 - Nations in that region have asked for talks between North Korea and themselves and they have asked for the USA to be involved.

2 - North Korea itself has said it wants one-on-one talks with the USA.

3 - North Korea is trying to go nuclear with missiles that can reach our troops and our West Coast.
(all this aided by Iran .. which is another story all together).

4 - North Korea has threatened war with us and with our allies many times.

So Brill, as much as I appreciate the thought of the USA pulling back everywhere (and really, I DO) .. not getting involved anywhere .. and not giving foreign aid to anyone outside our borders (we can't freak'n afford it) ... it seems we have no choice but to engage with that country.



posted on Dec, 20 2011 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by FlyersFan
1 - Nations in that region have asked for talks between North Korea and themselves and they have asked for the USA to be involved.

2 - North Korea itself has said it wants one-on-one talks with the USA.

3 - North Korea is trying to go nuclear with missiles that can reach our troops and our West Coast.
(all this aided by Iran .. which is another story all together).

4 - North Korea has threatened war with us and with our allies many times.


Fair enough. I would say first that points #2 & #4 seem to contradict each other. Cognitive dissonance ? Yes NK has made veiled threats, expected given that the Korean War never did officially end and that the south is obviously allied with US.

Second the nuclear threat, although real, has not been revealed to be a potent threat. NK has lobbied missiles that appear to the workings of a high school student but do they really pose a threat. They have however conducted several nuclear detonation tests
My point here is that much bigger threats exist and they were, at one time, allied with the US, namely Pakistan. Yes they have a large military but that is probably more due to the 10 year term (I think, please correct if wrong) that men must serve and 7 years for women.

Your points are valid but I don't think they warrant the efforts necessary. NK will undoubtedly flex some military muscle over the next month or so but nothing otherwise significant.

brill



posted on Dec, 21 2011 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by ZeroKnowledge
Since i am not interested to derail the thread - on OP itself:
I think it will be a mistake to actively engage or totally block the North Korea. West can starve it off, but those who will be starving and dying will be simple people, look at the current leader - he will eat well even then. And do not forget - North Koreans and South Koreans are the same nation, they are victims of political games between Soviet Union and West. Relatives and family live across the border - will you allow your relative to starve because the state he lives in is bloody monstrocity and is ruled by "higher spirits"?

My solution is simply to wait,while constantly pressing it diplomatically. It will rot by itself. You can fool some people for all the time, you can fool all the people for some time but ,well you know the rest. Just as much stronger Soviet Union crumbled on itself after all the ideology evaporated , so will North Korea. And it will not crash down as hard since there will be South Korea to catch it.


What you said is true. Let N.Korea starve itself. Only on empty bellies will the N.Korean masses realized who had been leading them to their death and rebel, if not for themselves, it will for their next generations.

S.Koreans too, are koreans, as much as the rest of our world are only humans, and can only watch with pity at the starvation there.

For years, US and world aid had poured into N.Korea, but what did those bast*rd leaders do? Use it to feed its military, sell off the excess to other states to purchase military equipment, build its nukes and to hell with the masses.

Today, our patience and good will for N. Korea had ended. No more to their duplicities. Food aid ends.

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N.Korea may threaten nuke war. Bring it on. Humanity must NEVER be frightened or held hostage by such threats, or it will never end. The moment a N.Korean nuke is fired and aimed at either Japan, S.Korea or elsewhere, that's when everyone of those bast*rds in the regime leadership will be hunted down..for life by the rest of humanity.

China may be a friend, but will it give up its dragon throne for the N.Korean idiots? I doubt so, because the moment CCP troops cross the border, massive uprisings waiting for this opportunity will occur, including elements within the PLA. Restive regions will boot out the commissars and declare independence. It will be the end of CCP rule, if it is that foolish to pander to baby kim.

Russia will do nothing. It's border states are only waiting for the military to be engage elsewhere, and its citizens waiting to boot out the dictatorship of Putin and mafia cronies.

US Patriot missiles and space based interceptors will be eyeing any nuke fired from N.Korea, or anywhere else, destroying them in space before it can touch any ground.

If Lil Kim's sis and her hubby kim is stupid enough to launch a war right now without thinking through the consequences, so much the better for the masses, for it will finally mean freedom for them. Sis Kim and Hubby kim have not long to live. The crimes of father are not the crime of son. May baby kim realizes this, unless he wants to be 'les infant terrible'.

The metaphorical ball is in their court now. A chance for their leadership survival exists - Destroy all nukes and nuke armament plants/materials, disband the repressive state security apparatus and hold fair and free elections with a constitution that emphasize on inalienable Human rights, and then the world will help the korean masses.

The kim regime have nothing to fear from elections. They are the best organised group, and might win, just as the muslim brotherhood had in Egypt. If the repressive state security is delegitimised, then full and free elections with monitors allowed will only gain legitimacy to the perhaps finally democratic regime. We all can hope.

Otherwise....the N.Korean masses will fulfilled that request themselves, with greater bloodshed - the leaders' blood. Freedom can never be bestowed by others. It can only be won by themselves so that it will cherished, treasured and protected.

Trade is the lifeblood of the world. All humanity wants is to live in peace and progress, not wars. Soft skinned fleshed mankind is not made for wars. Trade and peace may be boring, but if it is adventure some wants, the vastness of our Universe awaits us all.
edit on 21-12-2011 by SeekerofTruth101 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 25 2011 @ 07:38 AM
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Today Baby Kim is appointed the Supreme Commander in N.Korea, the undisputed leader now.

One problem western officials and civilians have in dealing with eastern figures is that the west ASS U M E S the east thinks in a similar fashion. Truth is, they do not, unless they have the culture, education, politics, sciences, philosophies and economics that the west have. Worse if they are commies, which has a far different doctrine totally.

NK is a heavily indoctrinated/mind controlled nation. What Big daddy Kim conquered, Lil Kim - Kim Sung Il - consolidated, painstakingly over the years, ruthlessly. Free will and creativity are destroyed, leaving only zombie automaton elites under Lil Kim's thumb. They either submit or they die. No challenges or Voices allowed. With the 'Military First' policy, it is only natural on what choice elites will opt for. The smooth transistion of Lil Kim to Baby Kim is evidence of such brain dead automation in play.

A better analogy would be the programme software of a computer. Each byte have their function, code written by the master manipulator - Lil Kim. Bytes do not function on their own unless specified. And the programme is to fulfill the Kim dynastic ambitions across generations. Lil Kim may be deluded, but he is no fool. He is just another predictable alley rat that found his cheese and decides to hoard it.

Hubby Kim - Chang Song Thaek, who is Baby Kim's Uncle runs the security agencies. He WILL NOT rebel, because he is just another brain dead automaton. Any ambition or creativity had long been wiped out of him. He will serve the Kim dynasty faithfully, for Uncle Chang has an archive of files on every NKorean, details and character flaws to destroy challengers to the dynasty and its ambitions, including files of Baby Kim and General Choi Ryong Hae if they step out of line.

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So, how does one stop the master programme from running?

Just like any computer gone awry, PULL THE PLUG. With electrical power cut off, one can then isolate the fault, leave good parts untampered, and remove the fault to a confined and safe unit to unravel the programme.

The plug in NK lays in its economy. What is sustaining the dynasty is the alley rat's manipulation of world leaders to foolishly support his economy, feed his elites that supports him and built up his nukes. That rat have no intention of any war, it/s not in the master programme, but only to win aid and get what he wants.

Deny aid and his brain dead automaton elites will ceased to be loyal, the way a Byte will not function once electron flow is disrupted. WIth hungry bellies, combined with the starving masses, Baby Kim and Uncle Chang will be alone and isolated.

China, despite its bravado of comradeship and truckload of supplies, is in no way capable of supporting NK. Nor does it want nukes in its backyard under another's control. Commies trust no one. Worse when it falls into US hands, as NK will if it is foolish enough to engage in conflict with US whom will make mincemeat of the NK elites from the world go.

Thus, it is in the interest of China to dismantle NK's nukes, to preserve 'detente' - what you don't have, neither do I'.

US have no colonial ambitions in NK, nor does it want worldwide Nuke proliferation, just as China shares the same. All US and the free world wants is to only engage in peaceful responsible trade, unless they are forced to act with force



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