BEWARE! The 'Dictator Magnus': What does America really want?

reply to post by Submarines


Wasn't the UN basically the U S's idea though? Stemming as it does from the league of nations, which only collapsed because the US never supported it.

If the US pulls out of the UN, its basically a rogue nation isn't it? The UN doesn't work, because large countries like the US buy up the votes of little ones, and nations in the G8 can veto anything they don't agree with. If the US pulls out of that it would hurt your interests far more than the small price you pay for staying in. (Added to which, loads of what it does is inline with US interest anyway)

reply to post by MaxSteiner


According to UN.ORG it was started by 50 member nations, including the US to replace the League of Nations that was that was based on the Treaty of Versailles.

On another note, as an American I think we need to be sepending more time/money/resources on ourselves. Our 3 billion or so that we give to the UN can be better spent here.


FiftyFifty, sorry your thread was hijacked!

Originally posted by Submarines
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

According to UN.ORG it was started by 50 member nations, including the US to replace the League of Nations that was that was based on the Treaty of Versailles.

On another note, as an American I think we need to be sepending more time/money/resources on ourselves. Our 3 billion or so that we give to the UN can be better spent here.

or going directly where we intend for it to go. I have no problem helping other countries, especially those in dire need but, man our own country has been neglected. with half of our student populace failing, the price of education on the rise, the regulation and penalities for failing students getting steeper, the fed importing foreigners to take highly technical jobs, the workforce facing outsourcing to save on costs... coupled with an inflated dollar. I cant really see why we need to pay people not to kill each other. Maybe Im just dumb. The UN should have been obsolete by now and the nations of the world much better off on their own.

what sort of world do we live in that requires peacekeeping anyway? people as a whole need to move away from this sort of policing and dependency. Time to grow up and get along ffs, I mean damn.

reply to post by Nephalim


No, you are not dumb at all. Look where we have ended up.

Look where our country is headed.

See the state of the world. I have to agree that we are better off on our own. We need to fix ourselves.

reply to post by Submarines


So do you actually view pre-WW1 America as a golden age? Because most people would say that the states only really became relevant when it ceased that isolationist stance.

Originally posted by Submarines
reply to post by MaxSteiner

 

According to UN.ORG it was started by 50 member nations, including the US to replace the League of Nations that was that was based on the Treaty of Versailles.

On another note, as an American I think we need to be sepending more time/money/resources on ourselves. Our 3 billion or so that we give to the UN can be better spent here.


FiftyFifty, sorry your thread was hijacked!

edit on 12/20/2011 by Submarines because: appology to OP

No problem It's interesting to read the different responses and views on the subject. Apart from being called a wanker on page 1 (Thanks, 'Ive been called worse), I'm starting to get a better picture of where many Americans stand. I would have thought that the priorities should lie with the infrastructure as another member stated and building the US from the inside out. The fact I haven't been totally shot down yet gives me hope that the Americans aren't too different from us.

I think the UN has had it's day and is probably a big part in the problem. It seems that the global governments have lost touch with reality and all of the major aims are based on being the most powerful or having the most money (and failing badly). In essence, they are exactly the same as School bullies, The US being the big meatcake ready to steal your dinner money then smash your face in and, to keep it even, Britain the short violent idiot with small man syndrome that stands next to meatcake and kicks you when you're down.

I also believe that WW3 has been going on since 9/11, warfare is different to what it was 70 years ago and it is this that his distorted political views and our opinions of eachother.

The TV has always said that america wants the American Dream which has always been: a large house, two cars in a garage, a vacation every year and enough money to send the children to college.

People don't care unless they can't get that. It's the same everywhere in the world relative to custom.

reply to post by fiftyfifty


I have laundry to fold, dishes to do and some sweeping but could not resist replying to your post.

@ the USA: It disturbs me on a day to day basis to see the US government meddling in foreign affairs, filling it's own people with paranoia and apparently trying to take over the world as if they are the perfect role models for modern society.

Reply: I quite agree - America is far from a role model, we are just at ground zero for the New World Order being rolled in, partially by English Royality...........start researching about HRH. Oh and how much did the past two royal weddings costs you folks while 1/4 of you are unemployed?

I want to know if the Americans in general really believe that they are superior to the rest of the planet or if this is a bad image portrayed by the media, internet trolls and the government to the outside world.

Reply: I can only speak for myself, no, I am not superior. Whats more, of all the countries on this planet only one has ever used a weapon of mass destruction, not once, but twice - my parent's tax dollars paid for that and I believe in not only individual karma but group karma.............I shudder at what my country has become - a country corrupted by the large corporations and banks. But don't worry, we're deeply intimate bedmates with The Bank of England my good chap.

Are you victims of propaganda and negative media which the likes of Hitler used in the last century?

Reply: All the media in America is owned by five large corporations.........we, the people are fed lies, lies and more lies. Our votes are miscounted and those in the highest office are nothing more than puppets.

But guess what, you're country is in the exact same boat..........this is now a global issue and while you sprew your hatred towards me and my countrymen (and I am part English) - You've been hoodwinked as well.

What do you want to see happen in the world?

Reply: Watch "Ground Hog Day" the part where they toast to World Peace. The first time I saw that I laughed. Now when I see that part, I cry.

If I had but one wish, just one..............it would be for all the greedy, mean, cruel, evil people (? are they really human - read my ATS name) to simply vanish, go away and leave those of us that yearn for justice, peace and brotherhood alone.

Would you prefer to concentrate on your own problems and the improvement of American life and let other countries carry out their own destiny or do you want to see all nations that don't agree with the Americanised version of life, de-constructed and eventually run by the US.

Reply: We the people have little to no say anymore. Read my location. The large corporations and World Bankers, the 1% are pushing their agenda onto the world - not the American People.

The average American works (if now they are lucky to have a job not outsourced to India or China) 9-5. We simply, like you do want a roof over our heads when it rains, enough food so we do not go to bed hungry, to have medical care when needed. The 99% yearn to love and be loved.

The way things are going, it looks as though we (the 'western world' and puppets of the US) could be removing many dictators to be replaced with one Dictator Magnus (Great Dictator).. the first President of the New world order controlled by the old US 'elite'.

Reply: And England is right there hand in hand your puppets dancing to the same strings as our puppets.

Ignorance is alive and well and America seems to carry it so well.

Now, concerning the WWII - My father was stationed in Ireland to safeguard the British Isles, he, a Iowa Farmer, fought, flew a plane and fought against those bombing London...........my father was one of many Americans that saved your arse.

My brave father, of Scotch, Irish, Welsh and English descent.

No I am not at present proud of Iraq - Bush was the worse of the worse, his father and Reagan promised us a New World Order - and again, America being the toughest nut to crack was the first targeted for TPTB, The real PTB.

"There is a power so organized, so subtle, so complete, and so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it." - Woodrow Wilson

I suggest you read and research, your hatred and prejudice is showing your lack of research.

Start here my good man: Who Owns The Federal Reserve? The Rothschilds and the Bank of England

Link to that title here: www.zimbio.com...

I suggest EVERYONE go to the link and read this article........very interesting, all banking roads lead back to England.

1st paragraph:

Who owns the FED and controls the US government through the economy. The Rothschilds and the Bank of England. The Rothschild Group controls governments, (the USA through the privately-owned Federal Reserve System)
Its no big mystery now. The US Congress gave control of the goverment over to the (FED) private banks which means our country is not controlled by American citizens. (The Congress can take control away from the (FED) private bankers but they never will because the Congress is infested with politicians under the direct control of the FED,CFR etc. Many members of the Congress do the bidding of the CFR)

Source listed above

modernhistoryproject.org...

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

reply to post by ofhumandescent


Thanks for your reply. I can understand your perception of my OP but it was not meant to appear as hatred against America. It was purely to get the opinions of the American people 'from the horses mouth'. I know about the links between the UK and US but haven't brought them up in this post because they are irrelevant to the opinions I am trying to find. You have to understand it is always going to be difficult asking about another country's issues online when you're from a nation that has so many problems of it's own without rubbing some people up the wrong way

You're right, I do lack knowledge in this area and haven't done any research. This site is somewhere I come every now and then when I want a break from work and unfortunately, Having to work 8am - 5.30 everyday means I get very little time to research subjects such as this in the spare time I do have. Please don't shoot me down for lack of knowlegde, I am not an expert on any subject other than my day job.

reply to post by fiftyfifty


I apologize if I came across rude to you.

The problem of a New World Order, which I feel has already secretly, quietly been well put in place is now a global issue.

It involves the enslavement of all of us.........across all nations, across all creeds, races, religions.

Most just don't see it yet.........the World Banking System has been in place for a long time.

The power structure..............god, research that one, something like 41 of our 44 Presidents are distantly related to the current Queen of England and other royalty.







We can no longer look at our various problems country by country for again in my humble opinion, the New World Order has already been put into place, it has now gone global.

Look about you, London has more cameras everywhere than any other place on the planet, (but America is coming up second I bet).

We can no longer simply travel without full identification, being subjected to being viewed by a total stranger in the nude and or touched by someone we have never met.

Our children are being taught this is now "normal" and "okay".

But not everyone has to follow the rules most of us do.

My nephew in law flew billionaires around for a bit in his last job, he is a pilot, and he said the elite, those with their own private jets, and "titles" don't have to go through the cattle process the rest of us do............is that right?

Two sets of rules, two sets of laws, one for those that rule and one for the rest of us.

You are lucky to still have a job. Mine was outsourced to India over a year ago.

16 years of "exceeds expectation" reviews and a accuracy rate of 98%, it took "Team India" over a year to simply learn my job function - and I still nightmare about the pressure, the tyrannical boss that over saw our department.

If I had not been married, with a husband that makes really good money - we would now be homeless.

No, we don't drink, do drugs, have always obeyed all the rules (except the two times I smoked something in college that cannot be named here on ATS - decades back).

There are things that even here on ATS we cannot speak about, are we free? What does that tell you?

America but than also look at the rest of the world with the common man in protest, is seeing a lot more police brutality. And, I am talking about nations that are suppose to allow free speech.......we, none of us are truly free.

We just don't see the bars of our cage.

Many people are going to flame me for this next statement.............but if you read anything read David Icke and Maxwell Jordan.

The Biggest Secret.........free here:

www.4shared.com...

Tales from the Time Loop Here:

www.4shared.com...

David Icke - Human Race Get Off Your Knees.pdf (I paid big bucks for this one- very large file)

www.4shared.com...

Children of The Matrix

www.4shared.com...
The Gods of Eden by William Bramley

www.4shared.com...

Michael Talbot - Holographic Universe

www.4shared.com...



Get yourself a large thumb drive and copy all the above and start watching and reading..............it's free (for now) and might prove interesting.

For those that scoff and want to tear down David Icke, Jordan Maxwell and the others who did the painstaking research, I would wager none of the debunkers and trolls have put in 1/4 th the time researching these people have or I have.

The deeper I go into the rabbit hole, the darker and more twisted it becomes............and that is no joke.

Like in the movie, The Matrix (see that and John Carpenter's They Live) yes it sounds nutzo, crazy and absolutely insane, but than start getting into quantum physics and sacred geometry and you begin to see a pattern forming.

There are now, according to even our mainstream scientists who depend on federal grants so they must watch what they say and publish for fear of losing grant money - even now they are saying yes there are multiverses, multiple dimensions and what we once thought were proven scientific facts are giving way to new and updated facts.

I'm not saying I believe in 9 ft tall r.e.p.t.i.l.i.a.n.s., but given what we knew just 150 years ago to what we know now, anything and I mean almost anything is possible.

Are you ready to take the red pill?

Before you say yes, rethink carefully because Neo, once you take that red pill - there is usually no going back.

reply to post by MaxSteiner


What appears to be "America's idea" is a misnomer..........................it was those that truly call the shots, those that truly rule over our planet and they gave it a name, made the Americans claim ownership of the beginning, the set up of the New World Order - the one whole planet ruled by the 1%.

No, in my humble opinion, it was not America's idea - it wasn't the common American's idea, we actually have little to no say although most would argue with that last statement they don't see our "choices" or "votes" are an illusion.

Plans have been set into motion, for a long time.

New World Order Quotes

Quotes from world leaders who reveal in their words as well as their actions what they have planned for us. Out of their own mouths they admit their goal is a one world government known as the NWO.

"To achieve world government, it is necessary to remove from the minds of men their individualism, loyalty to family traditions, national patriotism, and religious dogmas." - Brock Adams, Director UN Health Organization
"We are not going to achieve a New World Order without paying for it in blood as well as in words and money." - Arthur Schlesinger Jr., 'The CFR Journal Foreign Affairs', August 1975.

"A world government can intervene militarily in the internal affairs of any nation when it disapproves of their activities." - Kofi Annan, U.N. Secretary General

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the 1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond [i.e., an "extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or *promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."

Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians, France, 1991



"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a one-world government combining supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."

Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976, killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down by the Soviets



"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subject to the bright lights of publicity during those years. But, the work is now much more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national autodetermination practiced in past centuries."

David Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission, in June, 1991.



"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."

Myron Fagan



"No one will enter the New World Order unless he or she will make a pledge to worship Lucifer. No one will enter the New Age unless he will take a Luciferian Initiation."

David Spangler, Director of Planetary Initiative, United Nations



"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel, shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up in the newspaper world and employed them to select the most influential newspapers in the United States and sufficient number of them to control generally the policy of the daily press....They found it was only necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the greatest papers.

"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."

U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917

Source for quotes above: www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

I don't really credit the NWO anymore. Late 70's, sure why not, 80's, ok cool, early 90's hmmm ok.
2011, no. Pretty much everything written about them hasn't panned out.

Do I believe that English speaking spy agencies work together? Yes, everyone knows this is true, the Anglo Saxon Meme is strong. Do I believe that a secret shadowy force has worked in secret to organise a one world government following WW2? No, or rather, I might believe in it, but I don't fear them because they obviously haven't done to well.